63 pointsby thunderbong6 hours ago12 comments
  • ggm6 hours ago
    "seeing little people" is such a hyper specific visual effect, it begs questions. Since I am well aware how my mind fills in gaps in the visual field with attempts to map what I would expect or want to see (try holding your head rigidly ahead and look with a steady gaze at a near field pattern like floor tiles to experience your brain filling in the missing pieces in the field) I ask: what could this actually be?

    For instance, when I get (got: my blood pressure is treated) migraine visual effects, I would say "lightning bolt" but thats just a textual analogue/simile. What I actually saw was more complex than that: lightning is white. My effect was polychrome.

    When I had posterior vitreous detachment (PVD), the visual effect was as if I was looking at TV "snow" from the analogue days, combined with a shape unquestionably like red blood cells. Was I seeing blood? I am told no: I was seeing small points inside the focal zone of my eye, below the minimum resolving size, and the optical path turns points into rings.

    So is "little people" moving stimulation of the nerve endings interpreted as "walking" and a strong vertical alignment for some reason? Is the colour an aspect of rods and cones being involved, or the nerves going to rods and cones being differentially effected?

    • 2 hours ago
      undefined
    • altairprime6 hours ago
      One wonders how it would affect someone who has been blind from birth: would they hear little people? Would their optic system be activated by the unknown compounds? etc.
    • ridgeguy2 hours ago
      Reconsider the blood cell visualization thing. I've had bilateral PVD. Each was accompanied by an initial few minutes of seeing a few dozen small dark spots that had lighter grey centers. Most visible when I looked at the sky. They all disappeared after a few minutes. I think these were RBCs from minimal retinal blood vessel tearing at the PVD events.

      Human RBCs are ~6µm - 8µm diameter. Human retinal light sensing cells range from ~0.5µm - 10µm diameter, depending on type and position. They're close packed.

      Given the geometry, RBCs leaking onto retinal cells should cast shadows that could be resolved as images. And that's right where leakage is most likely to occur during a PVD event.

      • ggm2 hours ago
        Interesting. I told the specialist what I'd seen, they said "not blood cells" but I'm open to re-consideration. I got a pretty complete ocular examination both times, the iris dilation and "I must be a vampire I cannot handle sunlight" is a joy.
      • jaggederest2 hours ago
        Slightly off topic, but on a clear blue sky it's possible to directly visualize the white blood cells running around on your retina. I love watching them go about business, and I think I heard it can even be used diagnostically to do a manual WBC count in extremis for leukoproliferative disease.

        They're pretty tiny though, I'm not sure if you'd actually see a center in the RBCs

    • drain3 hours ago
      Yep, there might be two factors here. From what you describe in your experiences, these seem like real artifacts that occur due to physical changes happening on and around the eyeball? (Photopsia seems to be what you describe).

      In my experience when hallucinating (from sleep deprivation), it is the brain failing to correctly interpret patterns seen through the eyes.

      For e.g., I would think I see a cardboard box on the ground ahead of me, but then when I get closer I realise it is just dirt of different shades that was perceived as a 3d box. Similar experience when hallucinating people. In my mind I imagine my friend with a certain colour shirt, then during a period of sleep deprivation, I think I see him on the trail ahead of me. But it was just a rock that was a similar colour.

      Do hallucinogenics typically affect the brain and also the actual optics? Maybe it is some combination that is causing the perception of "little people".

    • plastic31692 hours ago
      > Since I am well aware how my mind fills in gaps in the visual field with attempts to map what I would expect or want to see

      Your mind also creates the visual field. It is not real even though it is usually quite consistent. Brain fills the gaps after it has filled all the rest.

      Just a handy visualization of a world that is likely to be a lot more chaotic.

    • ammario3 hours ago
      Similar phenomena consistently reported in high doses of Benadryl: little spiders.
      • moi23882 hours ago
        Oh that sounds much less fun.
    • bozhark4 hours ago
      You’re thinking perception

      When it’s not perceived from a visual cue

    • allears5 hours ago
      I've heard of this before, including a first person account, and the effects are apparently that specific. Lots of people consistently report the same thing. It's not just moving patterns, it's actually a bunch of tiny people running around, climbing on the furniture, etc.
      • ggm3 hours ago
        I'd be asking if the back record had hyper specific reports of people in clothing which was period appropriate for how "little people" are ideated, or if instead they were tiny angels and daemons (or skeletons) because how you culturally project what you see would inform how they describe it.

        I very much doubt that in future times, people will be reporting seeing tiny people in North Face fleece tops and leggings, or with Asymmetrical haircuts and goth make-up but you never know..

      • nilamo3 hours ago
        This sounds like the HBO Common Side Effects almost to a tee
  • reedf15 hours ago
    Huh weird. When I have a high fever, usually from the flu, sometimes I start to hallucinate. The typical hallucination is lots of "little people", usually doing something I don't like. I wonder if it triggers a similar part of the brain?
    • hypercube333 hours ago
      I don't get that I just end up with random 1 minute long looping nightmares
  • jayelem5 hours ago
    Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucinogenic_bolete_mushroom...) points to a Hamilton Morris podcast (https://www.patreon.com/HamiltonMorris/posts/64560770?utm_ca... paywalled) where Hamilton and Dennis McKenna discuss the mushroom.
  • vibcdingenjoyer5 hours ago
    Probably DMT clockwork elves.
    • functionmouse5 hours ago
      nah these just seem like normal wood elves, perhaps of the keebler variety
  • monster_truck6 hours ago
    How can I buy some? For science
    • bethekidyouwant4 hours ago
      It sounds like it’s almost impossible to differentiate them from other blue bruising boletes, so by chance in an asian market only.
    • functionmouse5 hours ago
      visit China
  • t0lo2 hours ago
    I'd love it if someone went through all of the historic fairy tales and folklore and tried to validly link local psychoactive and hallucinogenic plants to them.
  • 6 hours ago
    undefined
  • ChiperSoft3 hours ago
    Every time I read about this I find myself asking what the little people are doing, and articles never answer it.
    • tsimionescuan hour ago
      Obviously they're making an air chrysalis.
      • Tossrockan hour ago
        A 1Q86 reference, on HN? I never thought I'd see the day.
        • pas19 minutes ago
          (for anyone else wondering, it's a book, 1Q84 by Haruki Murakami, from 2009-2010)
    • moi23882 hours ago
      It does?

      “ Patients describe colourful figures only a few centimetres tall, marching, dancing and climbing over the furniture.”

      • jdthedisciplean hour ago
        Tbf I would also want to know more: Like to what end are they moving around? And what do they look like exactly? Like people you know from your life? Wearing ordinary outfits? Do they communicate amongst themselves, like little groups of people? Do they gesticulate? And when you see them, can you like, focus on a particular one and follow him around? Etc etc...
  • functionmouse5 hours ago
    maybe it's not a hallucination; maybe the minish have simply made it their mission to troll people who eat their favorite mushroom
    • mike_hock2 hours ago
      Maybe they're all over the place and have a technology that prevents us from seeing them, and the mushroom just interferes with that tech.
      • s3tt3mbr1n12 hours ago
        There is no Antimemetics Division…
    • SV_BubbleTime5 hours ago
      Saying you’ll trip off it is a surefire way to drive up its use.
  • hmokiguess5 hours ago
    Smurfs?
  • hoopla_ching4 hours ago
    The wild part isn't just that the compound is unknown, it's how specific the hallucination is. 96% of people see tiny figures, and there's a third-century Chinese text describing the same mushroom letting you "see a little person." That kind of consistency across centuries feels less like a random trip and more like it's reliably tripping some existing brain circuit.

    Worth noting micropsia ("Alice in Wonderland syndrome") shows up in migraines and epilepsy too, so maybe the mushroom just hits a failure mode that's already wired in. Still, "evolved its own psychoactive pathway, and it's closer to porcini than to anything in Psilocybe" is a great sentence.

    • blincolnan hour ago
      When I was very young (around 3 or 4) I woke up in the middle of the night and went downstairs to climb into my parents' bed.

      After some time, I could see a small-scale but very extensive science fiction space base on top of the bed covers, as if the bed covers were the surface of a moon or planet.

      It was populated, and in motion - rockets launching from gantries as I watched, etc. I know it wasn't a dream, because my parents remember me describing it to them as it happened.

      I've never experienced anything like that again, and never heard of anything like it until reading about these mushrooms last year.

      It definitely seems like an odd quirk of the brain that it apparently has a ”1990s god video game" (e.g. Populous) visualization mode.

      There's some neat sci fi novel potential there, though, like it being a remnant of some kind of distant ancestor with a hive mind that could synthesize the visual input of multiple members into a disembodied third-person camera point of view.

  • anon2913 hours ago
    That's because the little people are clearly real and are mad someone stole their house