95 pointsby sosomoxie3 hours ago10 comments
  • gritspants2 hours ago
    Seems this has more to do with Palestine and Google's involvement with Israel to provide cloud computing.
    • BLKNSLVR16 minutes ago
      In this seemingly forever argument, it seems there is some nuance in that Palestine is not Hamas and vice versa. One of the perspectives as I understand it is that Hamas is actually a threat to the existence of Palestine; the militaristic behaviour undermines Palestinian efforts at independence (and this is an avenue for exploitation by those who don't want to see an independent Palestine).

      It is a similar situation with Hezbollah in Lebanon.

      You can argue that the government of Israel isn't the will of the people of Israel (in the same way the US government isn't the will of the people of the US), but in my opinion there's more of a separation between 'Palestine' and 'Hamas' than there is between 'Israel' and 'the will of the people of Israel'.

      There's a lot of wrongdoing, which means there are a lot of innocents being harmed, and the harming of innocents is the greatest wrongdoing. Harm by inaction is also wrong. Harm by preventing aid and assistance is also wrong.

      None of this stuff is easily answered.

      The joys of ideology, or maybe more correctly, the joys of living amongst those who take ideology so seriously that they attempt to enforce their fantasies upon the real world.

      In my personal logic bubble: Protesting in support of Palestine is not protesting in support of Hamas. Declaring support for Israel is protesting against Hamas and their acts of terrorism against Israel. I can do both of these things without by hypocritical (like I said, in my personal logic bubble).

      • keypusher7 minutes ago
        Hamas has been the democratically elected government of Palestine since 2006. That was the year after Israel pulled all their military out of Gaza.
    • smallerize2 hours ago
      If only there weren't so many reasons.
      • themafia16 minutes ago
        If only Google kept "don't be evil."
    • ergocoderan hour ago
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      • shigawirean hour ago
        Stanford students are criticizing Google for enabling Israel. If Google was providing support for Hamas they could protest that too.
        • ergocoderan hour ago
          I've never seen any protest by students that protested against Palestine.

          In fact, at University of Washington, a protest was organized to support Palestine after the Oct 7 massacre on Oct 8; they chose to show support Palestine after Palestine did a massacre. And there was a very little criticism on that kind of actions.

          • 8note18 minutes ago
            is oct 7th actually comparable to what israel has done to Palestinians over time?

            sure it was reprehensible, but is it on the same scale even? both before and after?

            criticising hamas seems like premature optimization, and picking something basically irrelevant to the overall conflict

          • bdangubican hour ago
            > I've never seen any protest by students that protested against Palestine.

            you should think long and hard why that is but answer is as always quite simple

            • ergocoderan hour ago
              We all know why, and the reason doesn't fit what you want to believe. That's why you pretend to be obscure about it. Otherwise, you would have just said so out loud already.
              • neaden36 minutes ago
                It's because the US government doesn't fund hamas and US companies don't work with Hamas.
                • ergocoder25 minutes ago
                  The protest isn't about Hamas/Palestine. It's about criticizing what Israel is doing.
                  • neaden21 minutes ago
                    I was answering why you don't see people protesting Hamas, which is what you brought up. If you didn't want to discuss that, then you shouldn't have brought it up.
        • xenospn35 minutes ago
          They could. But they would never.
        • x3n0ph3n3an hour ago
          We both know they wouldn't, though.
      • bodegajedan hour ago
        I think Stanford students are not out of touch. Google has enough revenue to sustain itself but yet they decided to become an arms dealer. CEOs only care about the shareholder.
      • conceptionan hour ago
        Both governments may be but there isn’t a power balance between the two in any appreciable way nor in a civilian casualty balance, especially concerning children casualties.
        • spwa439 minutes ago
          I think you mean one of the two governments works tirelessly to minimize casualties, especially children.

          The other of the two governments works tirelessly to maximize casualties, especially children.

          Both sides, of course, occasionally fuck it up too.

      • cyanydeezan hour ago
        yes, the kid trying to fight back is equal to the adult punching down.

        This is the time of moral fortitude of a 12 year old.

      • za3faranan hour ago
        Let's not victim blame here. Would you have called the Indians evil for wanting to have liberty from the british occupiers? What about the many other european colonies in Asia and Africa, were the locals "evil" for wanting to resist and get liberty?
        • cyberax36 minutes ago
          If they did that by slaughtering civilians? Yes. Absolutely.
      • nujabean hour ago
        lol you clearly think the Palestine side are worse, stop being disingenuous and say it with your chest.

        Only one side is being armed and funded by our tax dollars, and that’s good enough reason to protest.

        • fhnan hour ago
          your current employer funds the Israelis
          • DaSHackaan hour ago
            ...hence the protesting?
        • filolegan hour ago
          > Only one side is being armed and funded by our tax dollars

          I mean, yeah, I would heavily prefer for one of the sides in this conflict to be much better funded and armed than the other. Specifically, the side that I consider to be fundamentally in the right in the conflict.

          Whichever side I am talking about is not relevant to the point. What's relevant to the actual point I am trying to make, is that I don't think that one side being better armed and funded serves as a reasonable indicator of which side is right/wrong in a given conflict.

        • ergocoderan hour ago
          > you clearly think the Palestine side are worse

          You only think that in order to fit your narrative... even I already stated the contrary.

          > that’s good enough reason to protest.

          Clearly, this protest isn't about that. The protest is about criticizing Israel's actions.

          It's you who should stop being disingenuous

        • spwa443 minutes ago
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      • HeavyStorman hour ago
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        • fhnan hour ago
          You sound more out of touch...
          • ergocoderan hour ago
            You sound more out of touch...
  • sva_an hour ago
    I wonder what percentage of total graduates walked out? The video shows maybe around 50 people at all. The title makes it seem like everyone graduating walked out.
  • Gagarin19175 minutes ago
    I wish I’d skipped my graduation ceremony as well. What a complete waste of time.
  • Venn12 hours ago
    Tech leaders from this era will not be remembered well.
    • dragonelite25 minutes ago
      There's not much good to remember them by for the past decade they have been implementing a global panopticon system etc.

      At least in the 1990s and 2000s it felt they were doing some good stuff for humanity. But the 2010s and 2020s the masked pretty much slipped.

    • LeFantome23 minutes ago
      That is a bold prediction
    • ares62310 minutes ago
      There's two opposing forces at work. Everyone wants to be Steve Jobs, and no one wants to be Steve Ballmer. So the only choice is to go to the extreme to stay as far away from the other end as possible.
  • stevenwooan hour ago
    I went to the Electrical Engineering ceremony, the only speakers were from the faculty and one newly minted B.S.E.E. I biked there and saw there were a lot of smaller ceremonies across the campus outside of the stadium the photo captures.
  • arjiean hour ago
    Speech itself was kind of fun: https://blog.google/company-news/inside-google/message-ceo/s...

    Pretty light hearted, and honestly considering that he's given a speech to an empty stadium before (as referenced in the first few sentences, I think he'll have handled it just fine.

    > But people have also been giving me a lot of advice on what to say. Actually, it’s been the same advice, and it’s about what not to say. People thought it would be really difficult for me; it is the last two letters of my last name, after all.

    Ha, chuckle-worthy. Of course he'd find it hard to not pitch AI.

    The only thing I find surprising is no-one points out that Stanford is a truly elite education system: Some 2 in 5 of students enter disabled, but almost all of them end up successful over time.

  • wxw2 hours ago
    What was the speech on?
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  • smashahan hour ago
    Good kids - proud of them.
  • Rekindle80902 minutes ago
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