104 pointsby aloknnikhil3 hours ago10 comments
  • Reubend18 minutes ago
    Seems like there's no official blog post with benchmark results yet. But I'm once again thankful for the Chinese AI labs for being open with their work and contributing it to the world under permissive licenses like this. The Fable 5 fiasco is just another reminder of how valuable these things are to have.
  • radious2 hours ago
    The real news here is that Digg is still up :O
    • 1f60can hour ago
      It came back, died, and now it's back as some kind of weird AI-focused news aggregator.
      • binsquare33 minutes ago
        this sentence hurts to read
        • stefan_31 minutes ago
          But they have such great AI generated insights on their AI stories:

          "Many users praise Zhipu for open-sourcing GLM-5.2 under MIT with a 1M context window as a major step for accessible AI, while others respond with insults and anti-Chinese hostility."

          • LearnYouALisp24 minutes ago
            I mean, it reads almost like an abstract of papers I've recently seen, with a similar info-cramming approach (somewhat like an editorial-SEO keyword bloat).
      • joshuat9 minutes ago
        That's disappointing to hear, I remember the reboot news and thought they had a pretty solid team behind it. I guess gaining traction proved too difficult.
      • TiredOfLife11 minutes ago
        It died and came back again last month
      • SilverElfin5 minutes ago
        I actually found some of it useful. I saw some page where it helpfully pulled tweets from well known people relating to some story. So it’s not just some slop, or that’s how it looked to me.
    • skybrianan hour ago
      It seems to be basically a Twitter mirror with extra cruft?
      • theturtletalks37 minutes ago
        More like a curator of all the AI news on Twitter. It’s also a great way to find trending AI projects on GitHub and elsewhere
    • mannycalavera42an hour ago
      digg goes along with slashdot and freshmeat memories. good 'ol mems
      • jaggederest33 minutes ago
        ... for nostalgia's sake ...

        It is official; Netcraft now confirms: BSD is dying

    • tamimioan hour ago
      That’s my thoughts exactly, had to click the home page to double check!
  • satvikpendeman hour ago
    Released at the exact same time, 5:21 pm (Chinese time), as when Anthropic received the letter from the government banning Fable, and explicitly citing other models becoming unusable.
  • throwaw1214 minutes ago
    I wish they would write a blog post about capabilities of this new model, what to expect from this model, is it cheaper, is it faster or does it have better quality in the outputs.

    But still, thank you for the release

  • ls6122 hours ago
    Is it a coincidence that both MiniMax and Z.ai are releasing frontier open weights models right as the USG is trying to impose a cap on model capability offered to the public?
    • bontaq2 hours ago
      I think Z.ai rushed a bit for release, for example GLM 5.2 is only available under the coding plan right now and they didn't do a big write up. Not even some charts and graphs about its performance!

      This is around when people were predicting a new GLM to come out, so a couple corners clipped in order to catch the moment. I'm using it right now and it seems decent, but I haven't done heavy work with it yet. The expanded context window is great.

      • wolttaman hour ago
        This is typical for GLM releases.
    • lubujackson2 hours ago
      I would say yes.

      You think they were sitting on a release waiting for the right marketing moment?

      • bel82 hours ago
        Yes?

        I have seen enough OpenAI and Anthropic carefuly timed marketing plays to expect it.

        I would never announce GLM 5.2 in the same day as Fable or Apple's WWDC, for example.

      • enraged_camel2 hours ago
        I think it's a possibility, because labs trying to one-up each other is a fairly common phenomenon at this point. Previous Opus releases were immediately followed by GPT releases, for example. At some point the timing stops being a mere coincidence.
    • halJordan41 minutes ago
      No, not really. This has been telegraphed for a long time by everyone involved. HN denizens have been unashamedly anti-ai for years now, so what makes sense is the not knowing part of this audience. Chinese models are also not frontier models.
    • thefounder2 hours ago
      No, Dario became too tiresome and annoying that someone had to do something. Personally I hope they ban Opus too. It will only provide more support for open models development. Compare Dario horror posts with this from GLM release: “ Intelligence should be open, accessible, and ready to build with, empowering every developer, everywhere.”
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  • testfrequency2 hours ago
    Digg

    edit: ouch, I’m a current Digg user. Even donated for their relaunch :(

  • ortekkan hour ago
    With deluge of Chinese models popping up recently, I believe there's a few issues one needs to evaluate before deciding to use these models:

    - Ethics. As known, ou American frontier AI companies are incredibly ethical. And I have yet to see any interviews or blog posts by Chinese companies where they talk about how they are ethical, or at least credible HN comments about it.

    - Safety. Do they covertly sabotage or at least refuse to answer questions that could help cyber- and bioterrorists in their nefarious purposes? What about ML-related questions that could help terrorists create AI models without guardrails?

    - Child safety. This is especially important with "free for all" open-weight models, most of which are Chinese (ever think about why that's the case?). How are we going to do age verification and KYC with models that anyone can just download on their computer?

    - Intellectual property theft. How can we be sure that no output of our American frontier AI models was used while training these Chinese models?

    Frankly, there's a plethora of other issues I don't have time to get into right now. Personally, I believe distribution of Chinese models in the US should be paused until they are required to submit models to the government for review and evaluation, to make sure they are made to Anthropic/OpenAI standards.

    We need legal grounds for that.

    Write to your congressman, congresswoman or congressperson and urge them to stop proliferation of dangerous non-American intelligence. This is a matter of national security and needs to be acted upon as soon as possible, preferably before IPO.

    • Xiol40 minutes ago
      So hard to tell what is satire and what isn't these days.
    • Aldipower41 minutes ago
      Yes, please ban all Chinese models in the US and stick to your US-centric stuff. Good for the rest of the world.
    • foxindustrial43 minutes ago
      _incredibly ethical_
    • billyjobob43 minutes ago
      This is great but sails far too close to Poe's Law that I predict downvotes.
      • freehorse14 minutes ago
        Before the "preferably before IPO" I honestly couldn't tell.
      • somenameforme26 minutes ago
        I missed it at first. Then reread it, and wow - this is grade A satire of the sort rarely delivered anymore, probably indeed because of exactly what you're saying.
        • LearnYouALisp20 minutes ago
          Well, if so it needs a little "touch" I guess
          • freehorse13 minutes ago
            It is not necessary for (good) satire to be easily/immediately recognised as such imo
    • yieldcrv19 minutes ago
      Chinese models are the closest shining example of their ideological system working for the world than anything else they've ever done

      From my perspective

      • hollerith10 minutes ago
        Either that or releasing the models under permissive licenses is the only way they have get any attention in a market dominated by American companies.

        (Also, they don't need to make a profit because their system does not prioritize profit potential when making investment decisions: it prioritizes alignment with directives out of Beijing, which in the past concentrated heavily on providing employment to young men and currently includes keeping up with the West in strategic technologies.)

    • cyber_kinetist41 minutes ago
      > our American frontier AI companies are incredibly ethical

      Ah... sweet summer child.

      > Intellectual property theft. How can we be sure that no output of our American frontier AI models was used while training these Chinese models?

      The US AI models are already using pirated copyrighted material off the Internet. If Chinese models also do this, they're at least giving it back to the people by releasing their weights as open source.

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    • jauntywundrkind31 minutes ago
      Fear Uncertainty and Doubt, the terrormongering, is worse than the terrors. Endless denial of society & possibility & progress: begone you demons.
    • tiahura43 minutes ago
      Is this a parody of the Chinese-funded anti-datacenter astroturfing?
      • bbg240118 minutes ago
        That you and other readers can't outright identify the comment as parody is actually quite disturbing to me.