Deficient executive control in transformer attention(academic.oup.com)
17 pointsby derbOac2 hours ago3 comments
  • fc417fc802an hour ago
    > they lack an explicit architecture for the executive control of attention found in humans

    Deceptive terminology strikes again! The "attention" mechanism in transformers appears (to my understanding at least) to have about as much to do with human attention as the "neurons" in a multi-layer perceptron have to do with biological neurons.

    That said, the core premise of building in something that mimics executive function is an intriguing one (which I assume has been explored before but it's not something I'm familiar with).

  • ivanvoid2 hours ago
    this is a nice study but i don’t think it’s actually good argument
  • quotemstr2 hours ago
    The first thing I do when I see a paper that claims transformers fundamentally can't do X or Y is to look at the models under test:

    > To evaluate generalizability, we conducted tests of GPT-5 (41), Claude Opus 4.1 (42), and Gemini 2.5 Pro (43) from 2025 September

    The problem with empirical negative results on LLMs is that they can't rule out that the alleged deficiencies disappear with increased scale and the right fine-tuning. It's like saying my dog has trouble with subject-verb agreement, so meat brains are "fundamentally limited in their capacity for grammar".

    I can accept that current LLMs (even latest generation) might exhibit cognitive gaps similar to those we see in humans with deficient executive function, I can't accept these gaps as evidence of fundamental limits of the transformer architecture. LLMs are universal function approximators. Executive function is a function. Yes, yes, it's well-known that transformers have a circuit complexity limit set by layer count and whatever. The limit disappears once you allow for autoregression. Nobody cares about the limits of AI inside a single forward pass.

    I have high confidence that with the right sort of training, executive function gaps in LLM can be addressed. I'm not convinced that the problem is the architecture per se.

    • derbOac21 minutes ago
      You might be completely correct, although my hunch is this is something that would require a change in architecture rather than increases in scale.

      The failure points happen in a fairly simple task (Stroop) with increases in repetition of trials. It's not like the number of colors or color words is increasing, which is the sort of thing I might expect if it had to do with the size of the LLM.

      On the other hand who knows. I agree that model scale changes make a lot of things a moving target.

      At first I thought this paper was kind of odd, but then I felt like it was maybe possibly onto something important. Intuitively I could see the possibility that whatever is causing this failure in the Stroop task might be related to the tendency of LLMs to be "derailable".