137 pointsby 01-_-3 hours ago9 comments
  • jbogganan hour ago
    California very quietly passed AB-1542 last week which includes precise location data, health data, SSNs, etc. I expect many states to follow suit.

    Related, General Motors got hit with a $12.75M fine for reselling OnStar location data last month: https://ccpa.world/enforcement/gm-onstar-smart-driver

    • yencabulator13 minutes ago
      > I expect many states to follow suit.

      More importantly, many companies will follow California rules even outside California. My car was built to California emissions spec at a time when very few states had stricter rules.

      (The one major exception seems to be the "sell my data" opt-out and such privacy rules, that industry is sleazy enough that they'll go through extra trouble to keep screwing over non-CA residents.)

  • danesparzaan hour ago
    Feels like the word 'sale' may actually turn into a loophole. It should have probably been worded to use 'exchange' or 'transfer' instead. But this is progress.
    • Cider9986an hour ago
      Yeah, we need data minimization. As long as it's collected it is a liability for consumers, turn it into a liability for businesses to incentive them to collect as little as possible.
  • post_break2 hours ago
    Does this include vehicle data? That's a big one. Your new car selling you out constantly.
    • stronglikedan31 minutes ago
      I've been driving connected cars for a decade and I haven't felt sold out yet. What am I missing?
      • wmf2 minutes ago
        Tail risk. Only <1% of people get punished by their car's data. IMO that's still too much.
      • chaps4 minutes ago
        Are you asking for articles that show how connected car data is being sold left and right?
      • criddell22 minutes ago
        I bought a car earlier this year and it took about a week before I started getting car warranty junk mail for the new car.
  • Cider998639 minutes ago
    this is the bill we need to pass in the house instead of them trying to age-(identity)gate social media.

    (https://epic.org/press-release-massachusetts-senate-unanimou...)

  • like_any_other2 hours ago
    A good first step, but the harm is already done when the data is gathered. Stalking should be illegal even if you don't sell the information you gathered, I don't want Toyota or GM or Google knowing where I've been either, not just their "partners", and it's long past the time the EULA loophole was closed. Contracts exist to serve society, not the other way around.
  • john_strinlai2 hours ago
    still waiting for any of the many existing privacy bills, worldwide, to start doing meaningful enforcement.
    • Cider9986an hour ago
      We need private right of action. That's the big thing holding up the sweeping Mass privacy law. The house supports a private right to action and the senate only wants the attorney general enforcing the law.
  • ldoughty2 hours ago
    Will this have reach and teeth though?

    I can imagine loopholes to this... nothing stops facebook/google from buying this data from companies not in Massachusetts? and facebook/google don't have to give advertisers the location information but can still use that information when determining the advertisement to return, right? In theory the big silicon valley "targets" of this bill don't actually have a huge incentive to give this data away, do they? They just need to be able to read/access it, which I don't think this law stops? Assuming the data broker is not doing business in Massachusetts itself

    • fultonn2 hours ago
      > Will this have reach and teeth though?

      It'll have reach because MA has a long-arm statute and there's a rich history of applying that statute in the context of Chapter 93.

      It'll have teeth but probably not to the effect that you hope.

      This statute was written such that only the Attorney General can bring action; see Section 10(b). This diverges from a long history in the Commonwealth of allowing private individuals to bring civil suits for most types of Chapter 93 violations.

      As a result, I anticipate that the most impactful change will be in the quantity and frequency of political donations to Mass AG candidates (and in the case of contested primaries their aligned block of candidates up and down ticket).

      Consumer protection laws should always provide for a private cause of action. Otherwise they just function as a mechanism for legalized corruption.

      • mindslightan hour ago
        I don't disagree with the thrust of your criticism of the dynamic (especially long term). But there is a legitimate concern that the first test cases to hit the courts need to be quite unsympathetic egregious violators rather than surveillance dynamics that have been thoroughly normalized for decades. If people start bringing private suits against neighbors that have deployed Amazon surveillance cameras, "credit bureaus", private investigators, big tech surveillance companies directly (eg Google, and especially with weak legal arguments), it is likely to set some poor precedents and create political pushback.
        • fultonn40 minutes ago
          Section 2 already limits applicability to persons collecting or processing data on not less than 60,000 consumers, so suits brought against neighbors would be (rightfully) dismissed.

          The concern about poor precedent stemming from poor cases has some rational sense, but we have the benefit of experience. Empirically it just hasn't tended to play out like that in the case of consumer protection statutes in MA. One reason this doesn't happen in practice might be the limited bandwidth of the appellate process. The SJC could (and likely would) prioritize answering questions about the statute in the context of cases brought by the AG.

          The longevity pro-consumer laws in MA provides some good empirical data that cuts against the concern about push-back.

        • kmeisthax39 minutes ago
          Couldn't this be mitigated by, say, having the private right of action not start until a few years into the applicability of the law?
    • rolph2 hours ago
      once you allow someone to read data, it has been given away.

      even if its only retained until buffer refresh, its still given away.

      if its read frombuffer space and transformed into a persistent structure, its a gift that indefinately keeps giving.

      • ldoughtyan hour ago
        but if facebook/google are the buyers, they do not violate this law... the law seems to focus on the sale & giving of this data... not the reception. This means that they just need a non-Massachusetts based data broker to sell them the data, and then they can store that data to make advertisement decisions (so long as they do not forward it along)
  • mc322 hours ago
    This is good and all States should adopt some. Eventually I’d like to see one at the federal level that supersedes state level ones so that we don’t have to deal the the mess that is taxation across 50 states. A nice uniform privacy bill at the Fed level would be nice.
    • yndoendo2 hours ago
      This seems more symbolic since I don't see were the law has any teeth.

      There is no fine nor imprisonment for failing to follow the law.

    • kmeisthax28 minutes ago
      No, we specifically DO NOT want uniformity. We want a minimum that states can go beyond.

      In the current environment, tech companies have to bribe 50 states plus the federal legislature in order to block privacy bills. If you have federal preemption, then you just have to bribe Congress, because states can't pass ANY privacy laws whatsoever. And we already know the feds do not want a privacy law: the entire legality of the federal surveillance apparatus hinges on the fact that buying your data from third parties does not trip constitutional scrutiny. Preemption freezes the requirements in time so they will always be a few steps behind the TLAs[0].

      The ideal is that every sovereign entity passes their own privacy law that applies to their territory, with a private right of action, and adtech companies are forced to adopt a "50 states legal" posture. This is, deliberately, a ratchet: it's easy for any state to require a higher standard but hard to get every state to reduce it, so privacy laws cannot be walked back in secret.

      [0] Three Letter Agencies: CIA, FBI, NSA

  • josefritzishere2 hours ago
    This is very exciting.