73 pointsby pkaeding3 hours ago15 comments
  • geerlingguyan hour ago
    Cutting a live transmission line is incredibly foolish, for many reasons, but I'm guessing the station has a modern(ish) solid state transmitter, which has great foldback protection.

    I've seen (and personally tested) AM transmitters dead shorting, and within less than a second (probably less than 100ms, but I haven't measured precisely) it will fold back on a dead short to like 1% of its operating power, lower if it still detects a short.

    This is to protect the (even more expensive) transmitter from lightning strikes or other weird eventualities (like the line leaking pressurized nitrogen, used to prevent shorts from moisture mainly).

    But replacing that 3" transmission line is not cheap or fast. Usually the runs are planned and designed, and every elbow / connection has losses that are accounted for.

  • aeonik2 hours ago
    Working backwards from clues in the article, thief maybe stole 200-400 ft of wire.

    Assuming between 3-1/8″ - 6-1/8″ diameter.

    Somewhere between $1,360 - $6,400 of scrap value. $70k-$100k to repair...

    Absurd.

    • sowbugan hour ago
      That's the usual car stereo theft economics: cause $1,000 of damage to sell a $100 radio for $10.
      • m463an hour ago
        probably $10 of meth to harm a body so that it eventually needs $50k of medical work, or $100k of dental work
        • cevnan hour ago
          10 dollars? Who's your meth guy?
          • trympet9 minutes ago
            GP is talking out of his ass - he’s probably not up to speed on meth economics like you and me.
    • johanvts9 minutes ago
      Why hasn’t the economist of the world figured out a solution to this problem. There has to be a better way when both sides would be better off by just paying the theif double. Some kind of proof of work system to show that you really are crazy enough to do the crime maybe.
    • xp84an hour ago
      Other than those who commit grave offenses of bodily harm, I reserve my greatest disgust for the type of dirtbag who imposes these orders-of-magnitude greater costs on other innocent people for such a relatively low "reward." They'd burn the Mona Lisa for fuel, melt down the Statue of Liberty for scrap, anything if you let them.

      I agree with another commenter here, the overlap of this mindset with tweakers is large.

      • bandofthehawkan hour ago
        In general I agree with you, but it also makes me wonder how these people got to this point. I think most people would burn the Mona Lisa if it meant surviving through a cold night. Our society has failed these people in many ways.
        • hyperhelloan hour ago
          I don’t see how to blame our society for copper thieves.
          • bandofthehawkan hour ago
            Lack of healthcare, limited job opportunities, growing income inequality, are just a few reasons off the top of my head.
            • bigbuppo37 minutes ago
              Local copper thieves that were busted stealing telco lines... they were just looking to make a quick buck regardless of legality or care for the impact it had on other people. They're more like tech company CEOs, really.
            • paleotrope43 minutes ago
              Drugs. It's usually drugs.
          • esikich42 minutes ago
            Right, why didn't everyone just get good education, dental care, and healthcare, get a car when they're 16, have their parents help them go to college and work for a VC and get rich. Just can't understand it. Truly, an enigma.
            • TurdF3rguson27 minutes ago
              This is what nobody wants to admit, whether it's nature or nurture doesn't matter because you're not in control of either of them. You were born into so and so of a family, and they brought you up with such and such care and values.

              The idea that you've been "force of willing" it through your whole life since infancy and are therefore solely accountable for your outcome is absurd. We know that at some level and yet still can't help taking credit for our nice things and passing judgment on others for their failings.

              • RcouF1uZ4gsC8 minutes ago
                > We know that at some level and yet still can't help taking credit for our nice things and passing judgment on others for their failings.

                Is that blameworthy?

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            • hyperhello35 minutes ago
              My general rule for posting sarcasm is to phrase it seriously first and see if it's something I still want to post.
      • vostrocity21 minutes ago
        A topic I'm interested in that is upstream of what you're saying is the propagation of meaning. If somebody has no idea what the Mona Lisa or the Statue of Liberty are, then we can't really bemoan that they would not ascribe any value to it beyond its raw material.
      • msltan hour ago
        I’d suggest considering empathy once you get past the anger, their former selves would be equally repulsed by their behavior, and for many I expect their current selves feel similarly despite their lack of control. The villains here aren’t the broken people.
        • jdrossan hour ago
          The villains are the people who let these people continue to commit crimes and make life worse for others in the name of empathy instead of quickly and forcefully moving them into compassionate care where they have any chance of recovering and joining the vast majority as contributors to society.
          • Blackthorn21 minutes ago
            Compassionate care does not exist for people like this.
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        • laughing_manan hour ago
          The villains are those of us who tolerate this kind of behavior in the name of compassion.
          • TurdF3rguson22 minutes ago
            You shouldn't tolerate the behavior, but announcing disgust for people who are struggling is just not helpful.
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    • cucumber3732842an hour ago
      >Somewhere between $1,360 - $6,400 of scrap value

      If it's a "normal" wire specification that someone else can use it was likely sold for ~50% of retail.

      • tonyarklesan hour ago
        It was gas-filled presumably ultra low loss RF cable, but the thief cut it into small sections so that they could take it away. You might be right about the 50% number of they had somehow managed to steal it as a single intact spool. As-is, the station even said that they wouldn’t be able to use it even now that it’s been recovered because of fears of gas leaks.
      • bragran hour ago
        Thieves typically burn off the insulation so it's not likely to be easily reused.
  • rmason2 hours ago
    In Detroit copper theft was an epidemic a few years back. Once the easy stuff in abandoned houses was gone thieves went further afield. .

    A few brave thieves went after power substations. For some thieves a lack of knowledge was fatal.

    https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2017...

  • legitronics2 hours ago
    How is this person alive? That’s a terrifying amount of relatively high frequency energy. And pressurized gasses of some sort.
    • defrost2 hours ago
      My first thought also .. possibly pulled a breaker rendering cable inert, or perhaps rigged a remote cutting tool - drop saw poised to cut on a long extension cord ready to be turn on ... (problematic).

      I'm leaning toward killed the current first somehow, but very location detail dependant.

      • cucumber3732842an hour ago
        You can buy high voltage gear online cheap. Just this one job would pay for the complete setup if you're buying cheap brands.
    • CamperBob22 hours ago
      The transmitter will have a VSWR trip for just this sort of eventuality. It would likely be damaged severely if allowed to operate into an open circuit for more than a brief moment.
    • apian hour ago
      Meth induced superhero powers?
  • dylan6042 hours ago
    I'm looking for a Kalshi bet that the perp is a tweaker.

    They say it could cost $70,000 - $100,000 to repair, but I also wonder if they'll have to refund ad buys while they are running at 10 watts and such reduced coverage. Makes me also wonder what kind of insurance broadcasters might have for such incidents when they can't broadcast.

    • ben-gyan hour ago
      This feels like force majeur from a contract perspective…
  • grahamburger2 hours ago
    Oof, that's a bad day. I've had cable stolen from a tower site like that, but it was cable we had spooled out for installation the day before, not in active use.
  • asdefghyk2 hours ago
    The photo shows a cable ( with insulation ) that looks at least 4 inches thick ... (from a distance )
  • CamperBob22 hours ago
    The alleged perpetrator — Paul Crisp

    Nominative determinism in action.

    • fwipsyan hour ago
      Or subverted in this case, I suppose. Can't have been very crisped if he could flee from the police.
    • arthurcollean hour ago
      any paulcrisp on HN want to discuss?
  • helterskelter2 hours ago
    Darwin awards should give this guy an honorable mention.
  • trick-or-treat2 hours ago
    Reads like a super-villain origin story. Welp, I guess he doesn't have to worry about getting the electric chair.
  • CamperBob22 hours ago
    Is it too soon to talk about regulating the $#@* out of scrap-metal dealers?
    • SoftTalkeran hour ago
      They already are. You need to show ID to sell scrap metal. The thieves use a fence.
      • gacgacgacan hour ago
        Furthermore, going after scrap metal sites makes an important business harder and fails to be inquisitive enough about the reasons why the thefts happen at all. Maybe we should try to understand why people are stealing copper. (Presumably poverty, drug addiction, lack of opportunity)
        • xp84an hour ago
          If you believe we can just fix poverty and drug addiction with some government program, I have a bridge to sell you. So far, no one has, anywhere in the world.

          Many people (and once they get themselves addicted to something bad, that rises to "most") are just terrible and care only about their own short-term gain. They'd do any amount of destruction to others for some small temporary profit or fix.

          • konmokan hour ago
            The USA opioid epidemic was caused by gross government negligence and corruption. Is it really a stretch to think that a policy solution could have prevented the majority of the harm? And do you really think there wouldn't be enough food and shelter to go around, if the government decided to get serious about poverty relief?
      • CamperBob2an hour ago
        Where does the fence sell the scrap? Somebody is buying it.
        • MBCookan hour ago
          Same as stolen TVs, catalytic converters, and anything else.

          There’s always someone who likes the money/discount more than morals/the law at the next step in the chain. Somewhere.

          • cucumber3732842an hour ago
            >There’s always someone who likes the money/discount more than morals/the law at the next step in the chain. Somewhere.

            That's every scrap yard and most small businesses. Nothing makes you hate the law and it's enforcers, peddlers and proponents like being on the business end of regulations and a scrap yard probably has at least half a dozen agencies they are subject to.

            Heck, I bet half of these guys would aerosolize radioactive waste out of spite if they thought the wind would blow it into a "good school district".

      • BobbyTables2an hour ago
        Wonder if they steal the fence too!
  • AndrewKemendo2 hours ago
    That’s wild. Radio transmission power is no joke.

    I replaced the 100W FM transmitter on our college radio tower and got in front of the emitter beam for like 10 seconds and my head rung for a week. The amps and power aren’t to be messed with.

    I can’t even imagine messing with 100K line that’s a solid block of copper

    • sidewndr46an hour ago
      You think exposure to 100 watts at ~100 MHz is going to cause your head to ring?
    • asdefghyk2 hours ago
      Very lucky not to have been killed by the high voltages or intense RF energy and or suffer severe burns / blindness ....
      • AndrewKemendo2 hours ago
        Come to think of it it wasn’t even 10 seconds, more like 2 or 3 before my ears and eyes were burning
  • Vaslo2 hours ago
    The trash thief will never be able to replace that. I guess insurance will help but that’s just another excuse for them to raise rates.

    That thief should be indentured until he pays it back in full.

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