89 pointsby thisislife213 hours ago9 comments
  • zootboy5 hours ago
    And this is why "mandatory app to configure" is an instant dealbreaker for me for any piece of hardware. Don't buy crap like this. Force companies to be better.
    • WarOnPrivacy24 minutes ago
      > And this is why "mandatory app to configure" is a dealbreaker

      More and more IP cameras can't be set up without a phone app. TP-Link's Tapo line is really bad about it. Even some Reolink cameras can't be setup on their own.

      Now that high quality, affordable brands like Dahua got banned (w/o evidence), there's less pressure on the survivors to not be awful.

      • lucaspiller9 minutes ago
        Reolink has always been like that, but at least they aren't a random no-name brand that could disappear at any minute.
        • WarOnPrivacy2 minutes ago
          I probably should have clarified I'm fine with PC apps for setup but abhor phone apps. I keep junk phones around for when I have no other choice.

          I just installed 10 Reolinks and I had to set up a phone app for two of them that didn't have an Ethernet connector.

          I have one Tapo and ran their app from an android emulator. I won't buy another.

    • binaryturtle4 hours ago
      If it's a "router" and you can't install a OpenWRT on it, then it's an absolute no-brainer to not to buy it.
      • rycomb18 minutes ago
        I'd suggest buying the OpenWRT One. I've bought a bunch, and I think it's terrific.
      • jasonjayr41 minutes ago
        I got a new lease on life for a bunch of old/slow MyBook WD Live NAS devices -- OpenWRT installs onto these PowerPC devices, rather easily.
    • m463an hour ago
      I just wish:

      - it was more clear when buying a product that an app is required to activate/use/etc a device

      - that people who rebelled against this kind of nonsense were backed up by others and respected "more power to you!"

    • ValentineC5 hours ago
      I fear that this will eventually happen to all Amazon Eero products, which has partnerships with telcos in my country for "free" routers.
    • pseudohadamard3 hours ago
      Friend of mine had some (non-Motorola) router that her ISP provided her and the only way to set it up was through an app. The first time I ran into this I couldn't believe it, there was simply no way to set this piece of s*t up without using the app, which (a) didn't work until we'd spent ages faffing around with it and (b) was just a glorified set of different wizards that let you set things up in a few fixed preconfigured ways.
  • Reason0775 hours ago
    > “It suddenly stopped working, and no one knows why.”

    Based on the screenshots I’m going to hazard a guess that it’s because someone forgot to update, or just stopped paying for, the server license.

    • bombcar3 hours ago
      If these apps were entirely local nobody'd care.

      The insistence they go through a server is why they suck

  • WarOnPrivacy34 minutes ago

         the Motorola MotoSync+ app is required to set up all new compatible
         WiFi routers released by Motorola
    
    AFAIK, more Motorola routers are installed by cable ISPs than anywhere else. Many or most have WiFi. I can't imagine cable installers are futzing with a phone app.
  • userbinator4 hours ago
    I haven't been in the market for a WiFi router for a long time so I thought all the consumer stuff still used a web server for config. Enterprise stuff is either the same or has a serial port. In any case, it doesn't make sense to require a separate app that they also have to spend resources maintaining when their users will already have a browser they can use, so I suspect the only reason is the app collects usage information that they can sell...

    On the bright side, maybe someone can get Claude or some other LLM to figure out how to crack it; and perhaps even vibe-code an alternative app.

    • giancarlostoro3 hours ago
      > On the bright side, maybe someone can get Claude or some other LLM to figure out how to crack it; and perhaps even vibe-code an alternative app.

      LLMs are great for this, though the more people use it for blackhat style things, the more I fear they will lockdown LLMs which are useful for reversing things that are legacy as heck and abandonware.

      • sanex2 hours ago
        I listened to an interview with the guy who nearly cured his dog's cancer with ai and he expressed concern multiple times that going public with the story would cause the labs to cut off the ability.
        • Reason0772 hours ago
          Nearly?
          • Dylan168072 hours ago
            It greatly shrank some of the tumors but not all.
    • ssl-34 hours ago
      Regular consumers increasingly use apps to do stuff instead of web browsers. They seem to prefer it this way.

      And at least for connected devices at home, a dedicated app can have lower friction for initial setup for the "I'm not a computer person" crowd than other alternatives do.

      (I know, I know. It's terrible. It even feels something like betrayal sometimes. But that's how it be, anyway -- and you and I are powerless to do anything about it.)

      • userbinator4 hours ago
        They seem to prefer it this way.

        Strong doubt. What's lower friction, "visit this address in your browser and login to start configuring" vs. "go download this app, open it, possibly log in and register an account, add 'your' device, and only then start to configure it"?

        Let's also not forget the possible chicken-and-egg situation of needing the Internet to download an app to setup your new router to access the Internet...

        • ssl-34 hours ago
          You're obviously one of those computer people.
        • jeffbee22 minutes ago
          Cloud command and control is obviously a better user experience, and it is much more secure.
      • somatan hour ago
        If only the app could be stored on the router.

        Unfortunately the only tech stack that can do this is the web, (serial/remote shell comes close).

        In fact I regard this as the major failure of the app method of program deliverance. Why do you need to install them at all? It should be like the web, hit an address load the app. It is why I am thankful that the web was not developed as a commercial project. No for-profit entity would have let it escape their control like that. It would have been designed exactly like the app system for phones is. enforced central blessed "app-stores" and manual install processes.

      • zrm2 hours ago
        > And at least for connected devices at home, a dedicated app can have lower friction for initial setup for the "I'm not a computer person" crowd than other alternatives do.

        For a router? This is the device that you will often not have internet access with which to download an app until after it's configured. Many people have wired internet specifically because they live somewhere with poor cellular reception. Meanwhile the device can give out DHCP and use the standard captive portal mechanisms to automatically direct any client device to its configuration page.

        • ssl-320 minutes ago
          Yep. For a router.

          I didn't say that I thought it was right, or fair, or just. I didn't say I liked it, or that I agree with it.

          In fact, I think it's a pretty ugly state of affairs when a person in an area of poor connectivity needs to climb the hill/go into town/otherwise make plans before they can get their shiny new router to work.

          I can accept that things are the way they are, or I can pretend that they're different.

          Acceptance seems to be a lot more honest.

  • criticalfault6 hours ago
    there is an explanation: Motorola is extremely bad at software.

    opinion based on their support system, correspondence and android updates,

    • Reason0775 hours ago
      These WiFi products and the associated app aren’t actually from Motorola.

      As mentioned in the article, they are products of Premier LogiTech, LLC, who have licensed the Motorola brand name.

    • Gualdrapo3 hours ago
      I don't know, my first "smart" phone was a Motorola Atrix 4G. You know, that one with (one of) the first fingerprint scanner and that thingy that allowed you to dock it to something like a laptop and thus you'd have a working laptop thingy.

      Its wifi/bt card broke exactly one year after I bought it. It worked exactly for 365 days. That was 100% hardware failure and planned obsolescence.

      Needless to say never bought not even looked at anything Motorola ever since.

    • ssl-34 hours ago
      There is no singular Motorola. The company has been spinning off different parts of itself for quite a long time.

      In 2011/2012, it was divided into different parts. The biggest were Motorola Solutions (mostly focused 2-way radios and related communications infrastructure; stuff commonly used by public safety entities) and Motorola Mobility (mostly cell phones and related stuff).

      Google bought Motorola Mobility. It has been said that this was because Google wanted their patent portfolio. In 2014, Google sold Motorola Mobility to Lenovo: The same Lenovo that makes ThinkPads is also who makes Motorola phones today.

      Somewhere along the line, their name also got licensed out for home networking bits. That appears to be the products that the Mashable article writes about. This history is murkier, but it appears that some combination of Premier LogiTech and Boundless Devices (whoever tf these companies are) is responsible for making the Motorola-branded routers in question.

      ---

      tl;dr, the Motorola that makes the radios that cops carry on their hip, the Motorola that makes Android phones that consumers carry in their pocket, and the Motorola that makes home routers are not the same company. Like -- at all.

      Conflating them is easy because it is, frankly, a confusing mess.

      But still: The shitty software on a Motorola phone is not cut from the same cloth as the shitty software on a Motorola router. They're products of very different companies that share nothing but a common trademark.

  • jeffbee23 minutes ago
    Without minimizing the impact, we should not blow it out of proportion, either. It sounds like every existing installed device continues to work. "Bricked" is used too expansively here.
  • xhkkffbf6 hours ago
    I don't know what happened here, but if someone told me that a manager fired all of the dev team and replaced them with cheaper overseas replacements, I wouldn't be surprised.
    • obscurette6 hours ago
      Years ago a small telco I worked for bought an equipment from rather reputable manufacturer at some point. A year or so later we discovered a grave bug in the software. There was a month or so silence from manufacturer and they just bought all equipment back. We found out later that entire team working on this equipment was fired during restructuring by accident (!) and there wasn't any knowledge about this equipment left in the company.
    • userbinator4 hours ago
      It would've been even cheaper if they didn't need a dedicated app at all.
    • HotGarbage5 hours ago
      AI replacements
  • megous4 hours ago
    Ridiculous to have no way to configure a router via some normal method, like local web UI or serial/ssh console, or whatnot. Even more ridiculous this app does not satisfy itself with a local wifi/bt link to the router, and needs some "server" with "expiring license" whatever that is. Triple ridiculous this costs more than $50.
  • Innittech5 hours ago
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