89 pointsby Cider99866 hours ago19 comments
  • gblargga minute ago
    It would be funny if someone hacked the database to block any praise of the current politicians and this censorship, only allowing criticism of it.
  • jdw64an hour ago
    The problem is that using an AI censorship tool requires purchasing a solution from a specific vendor. And the deadline is effectively less than a month. There’s nothing particularly unusual about this—South Korea especially has many IT zombie companies that sustain themselves through government contracts. In practice, there’s a local CMS structure in place, and Korean programmers, who are generally weak in English, have to rely on that local CMS, which makes them weak in programming as well. (This is why, despite being a country with a high proportion of highly educated people, South Korea has relatively few prominent programmers.)

    South Korea was the first country in the world to implement an internet censorship law. There is a historical record of censorship, regardless of which administration—left or right—was in power.

    That said, it’s a complicated issue because these censorship systems also tend to create state IT contracts and job opportunities.

    To make things more concrete: most local bulletin board systems and forum platforms are heavily tied to a specific commercial CMS. This is not a coincidence — government-affiliated projects often mandate that CMS, and developers here, lacking both English proficiency and exposure to global open-source alternatives, end up locked into its ecosystem. As a result, even basic AI censorship features become dependent on that vendor’s proprietary modules. When a tight deadline (less than a month) forces a purchase, there’s no room to explore better, cheaper, or more transparent options. The structure itself perpetuates vendor lock-in, weak technical capacity, and a cycle of superficial compliance rather than genuine innovation.

    • unscaled11 minutes ago
      This sounds to me like a repeat of what happened with SEED[1]. The recipe is the same: a real problem followed by a hasty (and probably inferior) NIH solution, a single implementation forced down everybody's throats followed by years of technological stagnation.

      Hopefully this mandate wouldn't end up being as far reaching as the SEED mandate did (forcing South Korean web to run on older Internet Explorer versions with custom insecure ActiveX controls for everything).

      [1] https://archive.is/ermII

      • jdw648 minutes ago
        My country is always like this. I think it's a problem unique to East Asian countries—following orders obediently. I read the link you shared, and it seems similar.
    • DeathArrow15 minutes ago
      >The problem is that using an AI censorship tool requires purchasing a solution from a specific vendor.

      This smells of corruption.

      • jdw645 minutes ago
        Korea's tax revenue has increased thanks to the AI boom, so the country is actively promoting AI at the national level, creating pressure that you have to use it or else, and continuously announcing projects with 'AI' attached to them. The problem is that a freelance individual like me has no way to get involved—it's almost entirely a business based on personal connections. Personally, I think if this is successfully operated in Korea down the line, it could be exported to other countries
    • f33d5173an hour ago
      CMS here not referring to content management system?
      • jdw6421 minutes ago
        You're right about the CMS. But unlike the Western ecosystem centered around WordPress, South Korea's public and web ecosystem is pathologically dependent on isolated local bulletin board system (BBS)-centric CMS platforms like 'GnuBoard' or 'ZeroBoard/XE.' As a result, when the government mandates censorship modules, it creates vendor lock-in, as those modules are supplied exclusively in the form of plugins for these local CMS platforms
      • jdw64an hour ago
        You're right. I need to explain that the bulletin board systems and forum systems are built primarily around a specific CMS. Sorry about that.
        • philipov23 minutes ago
          Does it stand for Censorship Management System?
          • jdw6419 minutes ago
            Our local CMS stands for 'Can't Modify, Sorry'
  • AYBABTME37 minutes ago
    Something missing as cultural context is that deepfake, involuntary "porn", and all sorts of abuse of personal image, are a rampant and omnipresent problem in Korea. Many things are great here, but the sexual landscape when it comes to men versus women and kids, is nasty. You can't really apply a Western mindset to this without understanding just how messed up some of that stuff is. So whatever you think of the mechanism, the problem behind it is very real.

    I do think a proposal that AI-filters content on small forums is a bit weird, and probably clumsy. But Korea faces a real problem and usually leans toward a bias to action and "just do it". It leads to weird stuff but also to dynamic problem solving. The part I'm trying to preempt here is measuring this against so called "universal" values; these French Revolution/Enlightenment ideas of universal rights aren't really universal, they're one culture's logic, consistent inside its own bubble but exported like it's the default for everyone. I'll say, I do like them. But other self-consistent logics exist, and I think Korea's set is one of them. It's going to sound cliché but it leans on harmony and the group where the Western one leans on the individual. Both produce aberrations, only different ones.

    For example, first time I came here I thought it's crazy to have so many speeding cameras and CCTVs everywhere. Years later I didn't so much "got used to it" but I think it's a tradeoff that mostly works and I grew to appreciate it.

    Korea prefers lightweight polices (literally friendly looking) with a lot of automated, bulk enforcement, instead of sparse enforcement backed by the occasional armored truck. That's a design choice, not a slide into dystopia.

    So all I'm trying to convey is, keep an open mind, and don't apply some supposed "universal" mindset blindly. Critique the mechanism all you want. Just don't do it by treating one culture's values as the yardstick everyone else gets measured by.

    Fwiw I think it's a misfire. But I don't think it's a slippery-slide down dystopia. It's just Tuesday.

    • jdw6427 minutes ago
      I often agree with you to some extent. In Korea, you can't just say there's no problem with revenge porn—that's basically the logic the Korean government uses. But the issue is that the main source of revenge porn actually comes from overseas communities that Koreans use.

      Of course, Korea's largest domestic community has had issues with filtering—things like terrorism threats and rape cases have occurred there. But that's because that community (DCinside) is so large. In reality, the incidents that have truly enraged the public started on Twitter (X) and Telegram. So do the key actors behind these problems end up being subject to censorship? No, they don't.

      And does censorship actually eliminate the problems you mentioned? Or does it just make things darker and worse?

      I myself have a typical East Asian mindset—I believe a certain level of restriction on freedom is necessary. But to be honest, I see this as internet martial law

  • shlewis2 hours ago
    No traditional media talk about this as much as it should be. No one seems to care but the always-angry, chronically online. I had no high hopes for free internet in this country but it's getting worse than I've ever imagined.
    • SidewaysView9 minutes ago
      Of course not. The purpose of the law is to crush the incels. Only the incels are angry about this. (Even if some of them don't know they're incels.)
  • donkeylazy4563 hours ago
    Forcing CUDA and guiding for Ubuntu 18.04 (FYI, EOS was 2023). Do they really think single Quadro GPU server can handle heavy traffics in real-time?
  • zuzululu3 hours ago
    A little backstory to Korea's political scene: left leaning political power has come to power , similar to UK's Starmer, and have started implementing draconian surveillance laws.

    There's almost no real opposition to stop these type of insane laws that violate individual freedoms. Expect more weirdness out of Korea

    • eqvinox3 hours ago
      Starmer is about as left headed as a straight line railway across Australia. Corbyn was left (maybe).

      cf. https://www.politicalcompass.org/uk2024

      Even if you consider that page biased in whatever way - it's still useful for comparisons on the same scale. E.g. https://www.politicalcompass.org/norway2025

      • sophrosyne42an hour ago
        Starmer is a Fabian. He is textbook, self identified left and socialist. He is pretty much a poster child for leftism.
      • AuthAuthan hour ago
        he is objectively left wing. People are over indexing on his controversies instead of looking at his policy platform as a whole. Also take into account that he is in a democracy the leans right on many un-impactful but hot topic issues.
    • jdw64an hour ago
      I’m Korean too, but people forget that the right wing has also enforced censorship. Personally, I think the Korean right wing cries out for freedom, but in reality their ideology is rooted in the anti-communist thought of the anti-communist liberal era. I myself have somewhat negative feelings toward communism, but the so-called 'right-wing' regime in Korea is really just nostalgia for dictatorship. The current Korean administration is called 'left-wing' only because the opposition is far-right. In fact, the Korean Political History Association has long classified the 'Democratic Party'(Party name) administration as conservative. This is simply due to a poor understanding of politics[1],[2]

      [1]https://www.khan.co.kr/article/202502272123025

      [2]https://www.kci.go.kr/kciportal/ci/sereArticleSearch/ciSereA...

    • mparkmsan hour ago
      If the implication is that the left is more willing to violate freedoms, you're leaving out that the right-wing president was ousted for attempting to subvert democracy by instituting martial law for no good reason.
    • mullingitoveran hour ago
      What does the left have to do with this? South Korea has had draconian anti-online privacy laws for as long as it has had the internet.
    • anigbrowlan hour ago
      Sure buddy, just omit the fact that the last president tried to do a coup and is now serving a long prison sentence. It's all the fault of the left leaning guy, there was no censorship or state surveillance in Korea before that.
    • jdw64an hour ago
      This person has a poor understanding of Korean politics, so you don't really need to pay attention to them.
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    • js83 hours ago
      Starmer is not left-leaning, he's a liberal (and supports austerity). People should learn the difference between the left, the right and liberalism.
      • 866-RON-0-FEZ3 hours ago
        He's a twonk and Britain is essentially a police state at this point. The American Revolutionary War was fought over far less than what is going on right now.
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          • rfreyan hour ago
            So what accounts for the current state of the USA? Not exactly platonic ideals of courage these days.
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      • iamnothere3 hours ago
        Traditional labels are becoming useless anyway, liberal can mean anything from libertarian free market enjoyer to radical progressive depending on who you are talking to. And I am talking about self-identified labels!

        You also have many right wingers (internationally) moving towards things like industrial policy, subsidies, and a populist labor focus (coupled with anti-immigration rhetoric of course). In some cases, even nationalization is under discussion. It’s a wild time to try and label things.

        • ronsor2 hours ago
          A better axis is libertarian-authoritarian, because the "left" and the "right" aren't inherently either.
          • js8a minute ago
            My main point was there is not a single axis. Even left and right are not strictly opposites, you can have a society that decides based on some mix of authority and democracy (individual preference). They are only opposites at the extreme, if you insist that every political problem has to be addressed in the particular way.
        • js87 minutes ago
          The labels are not useless, they represent certain values and disagreements over how society should be governed. Of course, each of the values has a failure mode, but they are different. The values are:

          - Right-wing, conservative, authoritarian - society should be governed by elites, conflict should be resolved by submission to authority

          - Left-wing, socialist, democratic - society should be governed by equal peers, conflict should be resolved by democratic consensus

          - Liberal, individualist, pro-freedom - the question of societal governance (and the arising conflict) should be avoided if possible by giving each participant their own life independent on others

          Of course it is confusing because people cheat and do not always want to state their aims clearly. The values are also not opposites, but independent; they can also be applied per problem. For example, most famously, some communists were both left (they wanted a socialist society without classes) and right (they wanted the transformation under the party authority). But each pair of these has a similar conflict like that, so (aside from the communist spectrum above) you get also capitalist spectrum between right vs liberal, and anarchist spectrum between left vs liberal. In the middle of all 3, things are roughly social-democratic.

      • yonaguska2 hours ago
        at this point I don't get bogged down in the details. They're all just different masks for authoritarianism.
        • js827 minutes ago
          That's very reductionist, and itself a kind of right-wing (authoritarian) idea - all politicians are corrupt so there is no meaningful way to change things.
          • jibal10 minutes ago
            Indeed. Aside from being extraordinarily intellectually lazy, bothsidesing actually enables corruption by failing to identify it, or failing to distinguish degrees of corruption that are so severe as to be more differences in kind than differences in degree. And thus in the U.S. we get Trump and his entire cabinet, Clarence Thomas and the rest of the Federalist Society, the Kochs, money pouring into elections via Citizens United courtesy of John Roberts, and much of the rest of the GOP political apparatus ... in large part a result of people staying home or voting 3rd party because their "principles" didn't let them vote for "the lesser of two evils".
      • sophrosyne42an hour ago
        Starmer is a freaking Fabian. Saying he is not a leftist or socialist is just an outright lie. At best it is intended to make out destructionist leftism to be "normal" or "centrist".
      • fithisux2 hours ago
        Are crooks called liberals these days?
    • donkeylazy456an hour ago
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  • october81402 hours ago
    The future is self hosted private invite only communities of vetted real life humans, likely done in person.
    • SV_BubbleTimean hour ago
      And when you need longer reach than that?

      A “I vouch for this person” system?

      • Pay08an hour ago
        That has largely worked for private trackers.
    • Gigachadan hour ago
      That's pretty much the present today. Tbh I'm fine with the public internet just dying off at this point and people going back to their local smaller scale groups.
  • prodigycorpan hour ago
    Korea is backwards in technology in every possible way.

    - For the longest time, you needed a windows computer to access any sort of government or banking service, and it's still the case for most services

    - Because of the reliance on crappy windows laptops, you see everyone who uses a laptop carries an external mouse around to places like coffee shops (bc their trackpads suck)

    - the de-facto document format are crappy hancom formats

    - watching korean news is farcical - every time they cut to public footage, literally 80% of the frame is blurred. I see no point in even watching the news.

    - APIs and API documentation for stuff is sooooo poorly designed/written. Like, it's a f-ing joke.

    - External map providers were iced out of hte market until this past year

    - You need a phone number to sign up for literally anything.

    There are so many more examples but these are just the ones off the top of my head. There is not an inch of breathing room for dynamism.

    Koreas issues arent political. This is what happens in pure oligopolies. People on twitter love to fantasize about Korea being so technofuturistic but the truth is that the startup culture is terrible, there's no venture capital scene, and the big companies write all the rules

    • dogwalker50006 minutes ago
      > - External map providers were iced out of hte market until this past year

      Foreign internet content companies (like Twitch) got iced out a few years ago too due to “sending party pay” fees imposed by ISPs.

    • jdw6440 minutes ago
      You're right. This stems from the characteristics of a small country. In fact, in Korea, Twitter (X) is looked down upon as something only crazy people use, and its image is not good.

      But the overall situation you described is basically a combination of a chaebol-centered, family-run system of national governance, layered on top of large corporate oligarchy. Within that structure, the problem becomes one of survival through vendor contracts rather than aggressive investment—that's the real issue.

      I personally hate this culture, which is why I'm trying to get a job in the U.S. Working 84 hours a week for three months and making less than 8 million won is exhausting.

      • t-33 minutes ago
        > In fact, in Korea, Twitter (X) is looked down upon as something only crazy people use, and its image is not good.

        It's basically the same in many areas of the US. Social media use is very regional due to network effects.

    • Pay08an hour ago
      > the de-facto document format are crappy hancom formats

      What's hancom?

      • jibal2 minutes ago
        A web search will give you a faster and better answer than you will get by asking here.
      • mparkmsan hour ago
        Awful Korean-developed MS Office clone.

        edit: for more context, it was initially adopted because it had better support for Korean language features, but now it serves basically no purpose other than be a pain in the ass for anyone who has to deal with their proprietary, incompatible with everything file formats.

  • malloryerikan hour ago
    Will this affect non-Korean online communities in Korea? Like Instagram?
  • DeathArrow16 minutes ago
    Can't they simply move their hosting and domains to other countries?
  • petermcneeley2 hours ago
    The catholic church fought the printing press for hundreds of years. Lets see how long our rulers fight the internet.
    • fithisux2 hours ago
      It's far worse.
    • themafia2 hours ago
      The printing press was very much an invention /not/ at the disposal of the citizens. It analogizes poorly to the Internet.
      • lokaran hour ago
        Of course not, it’s the books that people had access to.
      • morkalorkan hour ago
        Actually it's perfect. How long did it take rulers to go from fighting the printing press to using it for propaganda and their own ambitions? The internet has just speed run that same course.
  • eqvinox3 hours ago
    Minority Report wasn't supposed to be an instruction manual ffs.

    Also, will the AI curtail artistic activity? Things it doesn't recognize? We had watchdogs on personal expression before, one of the outcomes was "degenerate art" [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degenerate_art]

  • Cider99866 hours ago
    Original: South Korean Online Communities Will Need to Scan Every Images with AI Censorship Tools
  • polski-gan hour ago
    People predict that by 2032, the only country on earth to host websites will be the USA.
    • dylan60431 minutes ago
      What do the bets on the prediction markets look like, and are these the same people that Trump is always referring?
  • matt32102 hours ago
    They have stock in nvidia
  • zb3an hour ago
    Do they specify a particular model? Is that model public?
  • fithisux2 hours ago
    "will need"???
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