129 pointsby jmsflknr6 hours ago28 comments
  • nemothekid4 hours ago
    One funny thing I've discovered as a result of certificate transparency logs is that the second your host gets given an SSL cert, you are immediately blasted with ai crawlers.

    I put a project online - it was online for a month, and the second I added an SSL cert it went from 0 traffic to 1000 requests/min.

    • CyberDildonics3 hours ago
      Make a new certificate, let crawlers blast you and add those IPs to a block list.
      • mh-3 hours ago
        In my experience, these aren't the crawlers from legit companies, so they have infinite IPs via residential botnets/proxies.

        edit: 'nikcub beat me to it by 30 seconds :)

      • nikcub3 hours ago
        these old network security techniques don't really work anymore. the common bots are at known IP ranges, the problem bots are all on datacenter + residential proxies.
        • CyberDildonics2 hours ago
          Why would blocking those be a problem?
          • nikcub2 hours ago
            there are 150M+ of them and you'll be taking out a lot of human users with it

            modern blocking is behaviour / heuristic based

  • jawns5 hours ago
    It's a silly metric. There could be only one master bot that pings every known endpoint multiple times a second, and that would probably surpass all human activity, too. It doesn't really tell us much about intention or the ability to masquerade as humans.

    Where I would start to worry is if there's evidence that bot access patterns are starting to become harder to distinguish from human access patterns, which would suggest that they are, in fact, mimicking or masquerading as humans. I don't care how many search bots are indexing web content, but I do worry about how many social bots are attempting to manipulate or mislead people.

    • al_borland5 hours ago
      Looking at the verified bots section, all the top bots are web crawlers, which have been around for decades, to your point.
    • 01284a7e5 hours ago
      Thales Bad Bot Report categorizes the traffic between "good" and "bad" bots.

      I would add that AI dramatically blurs the line between legitimate and malicious, and the intent generally speaking.

      In regards to social bots, there's a 2024 study of over 1 million accounts on X and over 60% were found likely to be bots. Curiously, when Musk took over Twitter, the "Blue Checkmark" became something that can be bought for several bucks a month (with crypto, even), without any sort of verification.

    • RobRivera5 hours ago
      >but I do worry about how many social bots are attempting to manipulate or mislead people.

      You should browse reddit sometime. The easy ones to spot just autocreate accounts using the autoname at signup, which is of the formfactor [word1][word2]/d{4}

      Regex nazis please spare me, I am doing my bestest

      • dylan6043 hours ago
        your bestest if just fine as your point is clear. i'd actually be just fine with pseudo code. maybe it'll poison the LLM training data if we all did it more.
    • axegon_5 hours ago
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  • ryanschaefer5 hours ago
    “First time”

    The graph seems like it only goes back to April 27 and on that day it was 57% bot…

    • embedding-shape5 hours ago
      Maybe "first time on a weekday"? Asit seems it's been above 60% every weekend since they started monitoring it.
    • sheepscreek5 hours ago
      I think it’s meant as “for the first time in history..”. Not today in particular, but as a milestone.
  • 01284a7e5 hours ago
    According to the Thales Bad Bot Report, in 2025 >53% of traffic came from bots. 2024 was 50 - 50, and in 2013, it was measured at 43%.

    AI-driven* bot activity has increased more than tenfold however in the past 12 months so I'm confident this will grow to a very solid majority.

    • pixelesque5 hours ago
      > and in 2013, it was measured at 43%.

      Do you mean 2013 or 2023?

      • 01284a7e5 hours ago
        I mean, just for a reference point, 2013. 2013 was the first year they did the report.
  • yjftsjthsd-h3 hours ago
    > Percentage of HTTP requests classified as bot (automated) or human. Filtered to HTML responses, representing web page traffic.

    (Emphasis mine)

    I realize that this is likely an inherent limitation, but there is a difference between "bot vs human traffic" and "traffic that CF thinks is bot/human". Every time CF blocks me, I assume it claims I'm a bot in this chart.

    • graemep2 hours ago
      I do sometimes get blocked as a bot. I have no idea how many false positives there are, but there are some and CF does assume there are none in all their numbers (e.g. email saying they block x bots).
      • yjftsjthsd-h2 hours ago
        Yes, one of my favorite memories of CF is getting blocked and then almost immediately getting an email where they bragged how many bad actors they blocked. Like... do you? Are you sure?
    • nikcub3 hours ago
      Cloudflare are more likely to be undercounting bots - they don't really pick up many of the modern browser-driven bots and crawlers.
      • yjftsjthsd-h2 hours ago
        I'm quite happy to believe that it's unreliable in both directions.
  • asdff5 hours ago
    For the first time? No way. People were saying this 5, 10, 15+ years ago.
  • BugsJustFindMe4 hours ago
    Bot traffic

      Share of HTTP requests
      
      Ranking   Location   Percentage
      1.        Gibraltar    92.0%
      2.        Iran         76.9%
      3.        Singapore    76.4%
      4.        Ireland      72.9%
      5.        Netherlands  68.8%
    
    Lol, what is happening?
  • tushar-r5 hours ago
    I was tracking this as part of an older job and this has been the case for some years now - started around the Covid time with all the scalping bots etc and has just been building up.

    This sorta mirrors the early-mid 2010's when people[1] were worried about how much of the internet was streaming traffic.

    [1] Mostly ISP's annoyed at not being able to monetize it and folks trying to sell monetization solutions to them - https://www.sandvine.com/hubfs/Sandvine_Redesign_2019/Downlo...

  • jmaw4 hours ago
    This feels like a vibe-coded dashboard that someone made just because they could and with AI it is much cheaper/quicker to create. But they didn't actually put too much thought into how it would/could actually be used. This doesn't really provide much value over "well that's kind of interesting to know". There aren't really actionable points that one can take from looking at these charts.

    Some of my opinion above is formed from my own experience making similar charts just because I wonder what something would look like graphed out :)

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  • InfiniteVortex5 hours ago
    Dead internet theory
    • tonymet5 hours ago
      what comes after death? more like dead -> dead -> dead internet
      • nocman5 hours ago
        It's been mostly dead all morning.
  • devdoc834 hours ago
    Saw this play out firsthand this week. Launched a small developer tool and within 48 hours had traffic from 38 countries — Netherlands and Singapore near the top, which matches the bot-heavy regions in this data.

    The SSL cert observation in another comment here is accurate too. The second a domain goes live it gets discovered.

  • Shank5 hours ago
    Automated systems that don’t sleep and are often programmed to aggressively scrape and are limited only by compute capacity outstripped humanity? I am not surprised by this at all.
    • Waterluvian5 hours ago
      We're the "retail users" of the Web.
  • conductr5 hours ago
    Any thoughts on why ~30% of HTTP request are in US? I know we had first mover advantage for awhile but I'd expect this to have been diluted by larger populations by now. It doesn't appear to be AI/bot driven either.
    • arbol4 hours ago
      Is it not just a case of most of their clients being US based?
    • yacin5 hours ago
      my first guess would be a decent chunk of things bot operators want to scrape are in the US. might as well have your bot nearer to the source.
  • giancarlostoro5 hours ago
    Would love to see it go further back and some meaningful metric of how much is web scrapers vs bots.
  • vaylian5 hours ago
    Given how many rounds of captchas I have to fight through, I'm not sure if these numbers are accurate.
    • dylan6043 hours ago
      That's why the human traffic numbers are so low. They just get frustrated with the CAPTCHAs and close the tab. So maybe accurate after all???
    • elaus5 hours ago
      You have to fight, for some bots it might not be a real fight anymore...
    • asdff5 hours ago
      Funny how I get captcha looped with my adblocking in firefox but you can just get through easily with a few puppeteer plugins controlling headless chrome.
    • dawnerd5 hours ago
      Trivial to bypass though, the big players just haven't gone that far yet.
    • layer85 hours ago
      Captchas are part of the traffic. ;)
  • dietr1ch5 hours ago
    Not shocking if CF is now trying really hard to keep me out of the internet
  • giancarlostoro5 hours ago
    Given how most of the internet is on mobile, I wonder how much that would skew this.
  • EarlKing5 hours ago
    If they were truly this accurate at identifying sources of bot traffic, you'd think they'd be better at blocking them without inconveniencing the rest of us.
  • 0x595 hours ago
    CF posts metrics which reinforces their business... shocking
    • Symbiote4 hours ago
      It's not Cloudflare's title, the submitted invented it.
      • yjftsjthsd-h3 hours ago
        The submitter submitted a link to #bot-vs-human , the tile of which is

        > Bot vs. Human

      • 0x594 hours ago
        Sorry for the confusion, I was pointing out that the submitter submitted something silly and not that CF is boosting its business.
  • layer85 hours ago
    Only for HTML content. Total traffic would have been surprising.
  • greatgib2 hours ago
    In this graph, "api request" traffic looks like to be conflated to be "bot".
  • ChrisArchitect4 hours ago
    On the Traffic page it is showing Bots more than Human,

    but on the Bot page it's the opposite: 65.9% Human vs 34.1% Bot

    https://radar.cloudflare.com/bots?dateRange=7d

    ?

  • system24 hours ago
    Can bot traffic cause ad revenue to go up by any chance? Or false clicks that cost advertisers?
  • vinyl75 hours ago
    I'm looking forward to the fraud lawsuites for ad companies
  • tonymet5 hours ago
    OP: please add [2012] to the title
  • deafpolygon5 hours ago
    Dead internet theory gaining more credibility with every passing day.
  • dmaso1913 hours ago
    [flagged]