65 pointsby anonymousDan7 hours ago4 comments
  • dismalaf6 hours ago
    Why should people invest in SpaceX? Because they're going to be propped up by the US government for a long time. Nations need a way to get to space. SpaceX has launched more rockets than anyone in the last few years. Including 3x more than China's space agency.
    • lava_pidgeon6 hours ago
      I'm happy to tell you that Nations don't want to be dependent on the US government and Elon Musk.

      So there is a big race to build the next SpaceX. And I can assure you building rockets isn't rocket science. Other companies will follow propped up by their governments.

      • Dig1t19 minutes ago
        >I can assure you building rockets isn't rocket science.

        This is mind bogglingly wrong.

        “[Rocket Science] looks hard and is harder than it looks” is the classic line. Anyone in the industry will tell you how extremely difficult rockets are.

        Look at Blue Origin, all the money in the world and it still blows up on the pad. Look at ULA, largest aerospace companies in the world with institutional aerospace talent, backed by nearly unlimited government funding and is nowhere near a reusable rocket, decades behind SpaceX.

        You are letting politics blind you to reality.

      • dismalaf6 hours ago
        > And I can assure you building rockets isn't rocket science.

        Is this parody?

        > Other companies will follow propped up by their governments.

        It's cool to say but it hasn't happened. And rockets literally are, well, rocket science.

        • lava_pidgeon5 hours ago
          It does currently happen. In Germany alone there are 3 rocket companies + 1 space vehicle based on governmental programs. You can ask chatgpt for other projects.

          And yes, my pun which you didn't get just says: Building rockets isn't hard.

          • leonidasrup5 hours ago
            Building large payload cheap dependable rockets capable of reaching orbit with high probability is hard.
            • FireBeyond4 hours ago
              Even leaving aside the extremes of industrial espionage or "there's only so much you can learn from SpaceX TV", you can be sure that there are absolutely huge swathes of aerospace engineering education and commercially that are using a lot of SpaceX's work as a Cliff Notes of sorts to help improve their own odds.
          • xdavidliu3 hours ago
            its not that they did not get your pun, its that they think building rockets is hard, and i tend to agree
        • NuclearPM5 hours ago
          Woosh
        • verzali5 hours ago
          Flying rockets is rocket science. Building rockets is engineering.
          • xdavidliu4 hours ago
            this comment is nonsensical
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    • peterlada4 hours ago
      Having a global internet service with at cost launch prices is about 3-8 trillion dollar business. That's one product line at Space X.
      • ben_w4 hours ago
        Only if the world doesn't regard the owner of said telecoms service as a political security risk. Tricky sell given increasing distrust of globalisation and the new trend of sovreign-shoring.
        • chadgpt323 minutes ago
          Also given, you know, the politically motivated bans from that service.
      • fsuts2 hours ago
        Source of that valuation? As doubt its true

        People in less wealthy countries will pay a cheaper sum than wealthier countries.

        Also China is accelerating its own equivalent

      • NuclearPMan hour ago
        Bullshit
  • cyanydeez3 hours ago
    I already emailed my pension mangers to divest from the fascists (Easily identified by Trumps inaugural pphotos.
    • Dig1t16 minutes ago
      You should short the stock. If you think it’s a big scam and not actually worth being in the top 500 US companies, you could make a lot of money.
      • mswphd13 minutes ago
        not everyone responds to a perceived social ill by thinking "maybe I should gamble"
  • mycelos4 hours ago
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  • bko6 hours ago
    > Shareholders will have no say in how the company is run. If and when he makes a mess of things, they will find it very hard to sue him because of various waivers. The board – that entity that is supposed to look out for shareholders - is loaded with Musk loyalists.

    Does anyone seriously believe that an independent board of investors can deliver better results than a founder?

    If you look at the companies that built the most amount of wealth in the last 20 years, from Meta, Google, Tesla, Alphabet, Nvidia, what many of them share is more or less singular control by the people in charge. Sometimes its super-voting shares but other times its just founder mentality and ability to make big bets and set the direction.

    The rest of the article is similarly non-sensical. Everyone will be forced to buy it but it's going to crash! The prior investors will sell their shares! The IPO is an exit mechanism!

    • protimewaster6 hours ago
      Companies that are 80, 100, 200 years old or more have trouble with founders dying.

      One of the disadvantages of relying on the founder is that founders die. If I'm trying to keep a fund going for the next 100 years, investing in a company that relies exclusively on a person who will be dead within 100 years seems problematic.

    • physPop5 hours ago
      Thats the definition of cherry picking and survivorship bias
    • fjni6 hours ago
      I’d be genuinely curious about the data on this.

      There are examples I can think of with a more traditional governance structure that did well: Apple, Amazon, Microsoft.

    • altmanaltman5 hours ago
      Alphabet owns Google, why did you list them seperately? Why is Microsoft not included? Why is Apple not included?

      Pretty insane to then claim the article is non sensiscal.

    • drak0n1c5 hours ago
      Correct, everyone complains about "enshittification" but they fail to recognize that the most egregious cases occur when a company with a dedicated founder/leader transitions to rule by committee.
      • nwah13 hours ago
        A lot of founders are the cause of enshittification. In fact, most of the big names I can think of are.
    • nutjob25 hours ago
      You're assuming cause and effect run in that direction, but arguably companies that do well are going to have stable leadership. Governance matters when things go of the rails. There is also the matter of how well these companies would have done with alternative leadership. They might be running well under capacity. Finally the stock prices are a terrible metric since they are based on sentiment. See various meme stocks.
    • transdev122 hours ago
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