108 pointsby zeristor5 hours ago9 comments
  • flotzaman hour ago
    > more likely to get planning permission if their new skyscraper included a free public roof terrace

    If that's the deal, it's crazy that some of those places are getting away with then discouraging the public from actually going there. Book your visit in advance! Present ID! Photography forbidden! This grumpy security guard will be hovering nearby <3

    It's like Nathan For You S03E01 where a store advertises a $1 TV, then tells the drawn in would-be customers to please respect the black tie dress code, crawl through a tiny door, and squeeze past the alligator.

    • fontainan hour ago
      You must book in advance because they’re incredibly popular, huge queues, long waits, and capacity limits. The Sky Garden (Fenchurch Building) is huge, beautiful and absolutely packed with people. Many people consider it a London must visit.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/20_Fenchurch_Street#Sky_garden

      • flotzaman hour ago
        Ok that one looks legit :)

        I was thinking more about his experience with e.g. the last one on the page, Roof Garden at The Post Building:

        > I still don't understand why it's here nor why it's open daily, nor why they insist on Photo ID "and a full written name" before they'll let you up. However I didn't get the chance to test this out yesterday because when I arrived the roof terrace was "closed due to essential maintenance work", inconveniencing probably nobody but myself.

    • gib444an hour ago
      This is the country where organised marches must have police approval and follow an approved route (and most acute in London). Hardly a surprise!

      London's vibe is: 'privately owned, and you're lucky to be here'

      Edit: I'm British btw (and currently sat in a pub in London) in case people downvote me thinking I'm a yank lol. There are many people who dislike London and the UK who aren't yanks

      • wolvoleo41 minutes ago
        In most countries in Europe organized marches and protests must be run by authorities. It's pretty normal here.

        Protesting is a legal right but the authorities do have the right to restrict it for public order reasons. For example they often will insist on separate routes to keep conflicting groups apart. It makes sense too.

      • deauxan hour ago
        Its not as if things are any better in the country that boasts the most about its freedoms regarding access to supposedly public spaces: https://www.instagram.com/780_lord_of_bench
      • baxtr29 minutes ago
        Even within London people dislike each other!

        Saw many non-Arsenal fans cheering for PSG yesterday.

      • basisword26 minutes ago
        There are thousands of protests per year in central London. The larger ones (tens of thousands of people) are going to be disrupting public transport routes than people rely on. There's an approved route so that disruption can be managed. Nothing to do with being 'privately owned'. It also doesn't help that for a large number of people 'protesting' means travelling into London, getting drunk, and fighting.
      • fontainan hour ago
        How many protestors did the U.K. police kill in the last few years, compared to, say, a very free country… like the U.S?

        edit: responding to your edit, of course many British people hate London and for many valid reasons, but your reasoning is very American. Very few British people share that American view of freedom and would describe London as “privately owned”.

  • softgrow11 minutes ago
    There is a similar trap in walking the Thames path through London. Some is privately owned and you are made to not feel welcome, odd rules, buttons to press etc. Guardian has a 2015 piece https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2015/feb/24/private-londo...
  • lorenzotentian hour ago
    I built https://exploralista.io exactly for this use case. Still waiting for the universe to make up for my lack of marketing skills.
    • croisillonan hour ago
      it's a nice idea!

      but yes there is very sparse information and instead of examples i get "NetworkError when attempting to fetch resource." and it says "free" here and there but free forever, free until?

      • lorenzotenti16 minutes ago
        Ah, sorry about the error! I guess it could use some optimisation. It will remain free for the users. I haven't thought about monetisation but for sure it won't be on the final user. Either ads or sponsored places by companies etc. Similar to TripAdvisor
  • rbbydotdevan hour ago
    > Alas it also had great views into the apartments at Neo Bankside whose residents ultimately sued and won, thus if you arrive by lift today you can only visit the cafe

    bummer

  • mgaunard2 hours ago
    What about Crossrail Place in Canary Wharf, doesn't count?

    Otherwise there are plenty of other roof terraces which are bars/restaurants. Typically more enjoyable as you don't have to book tickets and you get to enjoy a drink.

    • fontainan hour ago
      I think some people might not count Canary Wharf's various gardens as examples of this because while Canary Wharf is a private estate that is open to the public, the parks and green spaces aren't a quiet strategy to get buildings approved, they're part of the estate's broad strategy to be green and welcoming. Canary Wharf actively encourages visitors to all of their green spaces.
  • d1sxeyes3 hours ago
    I try to pop to One New Change whenever I’m in London just to visit the terrace there. If you’re in the area, worth a look!
  • dgellow2 hours ago
    > Tate Modern had high hopes for the 10th floor of the Blatnavik Building with its cafe and a four-sided observation terrace with excellent views of the Thames. Alas it also had great views into the apartments at Neo Bankside whose residents ultimately sued and won, thus if you arrive by lift today you can only visit the cafe.

    I was curious about what type of arguments you could make to win a case like this.

    "The Supreme Court commented that the degree of overlooking from visitors to the Tate gallery was so extreme it subjected the residents to being “much like being on display in a zoo” and held that there is no reason why constant visual intrusion cannot give rise to liability for nuisance."

    https://www.tlt.com/insights-and-events/insight/supreme-cour...

    Really strange take, that applies to so many situations where tourists gather

    • meindnoch11 minutes ago
      British people don't have curtains?
    • RobotToaster2 hours ago
      It affected rich people, wouldn't surprise me if one of them knew the judge.
      • fontainan hour ago
        The case was a very big deal in London. The outcome was not one of bias, but complicated circumstance.

        The apartment building was built years before the Tate Modern opened their viewing floor. After the Tate Modern viewing floor opened, visitors to the Tate Modern began photographing and videoing and watching people in the neighbouring apartment building.

        The judge reasonably determined that there is some sacrifice of privacy made when choosing to live in a glass apartment building, but the Tate Modern's viewing floor's compromise of privacy was so egregious that it should not be allowed regardless of planning permission.

        There are many buildings all over London that look over one another, many of those occupied by very very rich people, it was not corruption.

        • therealdrag08 minutes ago
          How can privacy be egregiously violated? Isn’t it just you have a window to look in or not? And every building has windows to look in if you choose to not draw the blinds?
        • ZeWakaan hour ago
          However, Tate got the permission to build the viewing deck before the apartments were built.
    • l23k4an hour ago
      Come on, this was just gross by Tate and the supreme court was right to put a stop to it. I visited the extension before it opened, it was obvious this was going to be a problem.

      A busy viewing terrace is not an ordinary use of space, building one looking right into private homes isn't cool regardless of how wealthy the residents of those homes are.

      • therealdrag04 minutes ago
        Can’t all tall buildings see into neighboring buildings? I’ve often seen into peoples houses and watched them eat dinner etc.
    • gib444an hour ago
      Supreme Court judges do not express "takes". They make legal judgements and express legal opinion based on years of experience and deep knowledge of the law. They deserve a bit more respect than a likening to some random Redditor having a "take"
      • ZeWakaan hour ago
        Note that this comment does not apply to every country.
        • gib44442 minutes ago
          Good thing the post is about the UK and we here are capable of staying on topic
  • rented_mule2 hours ago
    The equivalent in San Francisco: https://sfpopos.com/
  • cbdevidal2 hours ago
    Really cool!!