134 pointsby pseudolus6 hours ago19 comments
  • wyldfire4 hours ago
    Of course he should be punished but the best lesson here is for bettors. Those who wager on "prediction markets": you are betting against people who have access to more information or can influence the outcome of the wager. Don't waste your money.
    • nostrademons4 hours ago
      That's sort of the point of prediction markets: they surface insider information by allowing people to profit off of it. The benefit is to people watching the prices, who can then use that information to make better decisions ahead of the answer being revealed to the public. It's not necessarily to market participants, who need to be aware of who else is trading the market and have a credible reason to believe they have better information.
      • 555552 hours ago
        It barely makes sense, though? The idea is that it will surface insider information to the public. That happens only because the insider is financially incentivized to place a bet. But they will only bet if they can win money, and they can only win money if someone is taking the other side of their bet, which necessarily means someone without their insider information.

        In other words, prediction markets require suckers to lose money to insiders in order for the public to learn new information. In this case, people lost over a million dollars to an insider so the public could learn that "d4vd" was searched a lot.

        Is this good?

        • bzhang255an hour ago
          Disclaimer: I have not read any literature on the economics of prediction markets, and I know nothing about the mechanics of Polymarket/Kalshi.

          I would imagine that in theory, everyone thinks they have the best information at the time, something like:

          House: "Odds that X happens? We'll put $1 on both sides to get it started. 50/50."

          Someone comes along: "Oh dang, I'm definitely more than 50% confident that X is happening. Let me put $1 in." Now it's 67:33.

          Someone else comes along: "Oh I'm more than 67% confident X is happening, let me put $1 in." Now it's 75:25.

          And of course, you get people going: "I'm more than 25% confident that X is _not_ happening, let me put $1 in!" And now it's 60:40.

          The murky part, I would imagine, comes when the odds and the payout actually act as something that influences the outcome, but in perfect theory-land, if everything goes as planned, this should move the odds to the most informationally-accurate measurement, which should, in theory, benefit observers by making this measurement public.

        • derefran hour ago
          People with insider information often aren't necessarily aware they even have it. "Superforecasters" are often just "good at predicting" moves within a given vertical, because they have expertise and exposure to the trends of that vertical, and are good at making deductions and extrapolating trends. Those people make money from prediction markets just as often as people with true insider info do.

          And the people they're both making money from, are people who think they have enough expertise + exposure to function as superforecasters — and who probably could function as superforecasters, in a market with fewer "sharks" in the pool — but who lose out simply because they were slightly less well-calibrated than whoever they were trading with.

          Which is to say: prediction markets can still work and be worthwhile to participate in, even if everyone in them is rational. They don't require suckers.

          But, in practice, they certainly do seem to attract them.

        • chii26 minutes ago
          > Is this good?

          it is good if the losers are voluntarily participating. They are not coerced (stupidity is not coercion) into it, and therefore, it is reasonable that they expected to win the bet.

          The only problem i have with polymarket (and others like it) are that insiders can often remain anonymous. It should not, and if an insider earns, but their win requires they remain anonymous or face some social/reputational repercussions, then that should happen.

          Therefore, as long as KYC is enforced for these markets, i would have zero issues with their existence.

        • jqueryan hour ago
          Yep. It’s basically how Wall Street functioned before regulations showed up to protect the public.
      • awongh3 hours ago
        The unfortunate thing is that, while their academic position sounds plausible on paper, just like with most crypto things it's just a money grab.

        How many crypto people (with legitimate backgrounds just like the founders of Polymarket and Kalshi) stood up and said big things about freedom and the unbanked etc., turns out they were literally just scamming people- there are so many examples besides FTX.

        Letting people bet on any random thing is not at all related to this "price everything" theory. If that was their real goal they wouldn't behave so much like a normal sports betting company. I have yet to actually hear anyone defend their actual actions in a plausible way.

      • mikeyouse3 hours ago
        That’s the academic theory behind these markets, but there’s no actual value to knowing who the most searched celebrity will be or any of this other garbage. It’s just an unregulated casino with guesses about the popularity of Google searches instead of guessing black or red.
        • hellojesus2 hours ago
          If it's unregulated, how are people getting charged with insider trading?
          • jliptzinan hour ago
            If 0.01% of people engaging in insider trading are caught and prosecuted, it is effectively unregulated.
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        • solarkraft3 hours ago
          It’s not rare nowadays that speculation on some topic will include the Polymarket rates. Google searches: Maybe not. Maybe that’s just gambling for the fun of it.
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      • nezi2 hours ago
        Sure, but let’s consider the bet the accused took: who is the most searched person in 2025. What benefit is there in knowing this ahead of time? Who is making decisions based on this?
        • breppp2 hours ago
          If you run a records company I assume this might be worth some money
          • vineyardmikean hour ago
            As opposed to the publicly available Google Trends data? As opposed to running legitimate market research? Wouldn't you rather know the most searched person in your vertical, market, etc?

            The data in this example was going to be made public anyways. All the examples of prediction markets are predicated on them becoming public. You not only need the info, you need the info before it becomes public.

      • mikeweiss3 hours ago
        You are correct, but you say this like the prediction markets are open about this fact. They aren't and if you ask them they will deny this.
        • hoten3 hours ago
          I think they are open about it. John Oliver did a piece on it last month and I recall an interview where the founder of one of these prediction markets shared this as a beneficial effect of the product.
          • mikeweiss2 hours ago
            I once asked in Kalshi subreddit if insider trading was the entire point and my post was removed by the mods..
      • not2b38 minutes ago
        Cool. So we benefit by prediction markets surfacing insider information about Trump's plans in the Iran conflict, and unknown insiders making hundreds of millions on that information with massive trades minutes before each announcement benefited the people watching prices in the oil market? That doesn't seem right.
      • jqueryan hour ago
        Couldn’t that same argument be used to justify stock market insider trading? The problem with insiders is not just that they can surface information, but they can actually manipulate the results. It’s why baseball players can’t bet on the results of their games, even if a prediction market guru might argue “their bets surface valuable information” or something.
      • Domenic_S3 hours ago
        Hmm, not following. The insider trade in this case was small enough to not change the lines meaningfully, no? D4vd's chances of being #1 went from <1% to >99% nearly overnight, was a huge upset.

        Polymarket might be different, but conventional Vegas-style lines change with the amount of $$ bet, if the pool is $50M and an insider bets $10k on the long shot, the line isn't moving -- I don't see how insider information can be surfaced in this scenario except after the fact (and only maybe then).

        In other words, if the line changes enough to signal insider info, it's not really insider info anymore.

        • nostrademons3 hours ago
          Because these markets aren't all that efficient yet (possibly because other potential market participants are scared off by insider trading charges). You don't have multiple people that all have insider information betting against each other, you have one person with insider information that cleans out everybody else. If this repeats enough, all the people without insider information will get cleaned out and exit the market, all the other people with insider information will enter the market for profit, and prices should converge to true likelihood.

          And yes, the whole purpose of prediction markets is to turn insider info into public info.

          • Domenic_S2 hours ago
            But you just said "The benefit is to people watching the prices" -- but if the odds haven't properly converged what information does watching the prices get you before-the-fact?

            Maybe I'm just not getting it, could you lay out a scenario?

            • geocaran hour ago
              > if the odds haven't properly converged what information does watching the prices get you before-the-fact?

              How do you know we are "before-the fact"? Because these numbers are bananas?

              Somebody just tanked their job, their life, for a million bucks.

              Anybody who took that bet, might've individually spent only a few bucks to see that.

              Everyone else (the people watching) learned the price of entertainment is a few bucks, and ruining someone's life is a million bucks.

              Was that a surprise to you? If not, then the (market) prices may be said to have converged (close to) reality.

              But maybe it is, and you think people would ruin their lives for less, or would pay more for human misery. In any event, the distance between whatever you think that probability is, and the return earned on these odds is information, that we all can enjoy (as benefit) before-the-fact.

      • altmanaltman3 hours ago
        The point is to make money by letting people gamble on the future. What you said is a second order effect of doing the first thing. They should at least be regulated under gambling laws, doesnt make sense without it
      • SpicyLemonZest3 hours ago
        What Polymarket says on the topic (https://integrity.polymarket.com/) is that they do not surface insider information and you mustn't trade if you have any.

        Because the prediction market community is filled with liars and fraudsters, of course, it does seem to be common knowledge that this restriction isn't meant to be taken seriously, much like Polymarket's fake rule that Americans aren't allowed to use it.

        But once you start from the premise that everything prediction markets say about their rules and practices is a lie, why should we believe they provide any genuine signal for anything?

        • solarkraft3 hours ago
          The odds have shown to be largely correct, thanks to people profitably arbitraging away inaccuracies.
    • esalman13 minutes ago
      We would be much better off as society if bettors and gamblers actually learned from their lessons. Unfortunately that's not how it works.
    • tomjakubowski3 hours ago
      Also, at least on Polymarket, beware of those who can influence the settlement of the wager, which may settle not in concordance with the actual outcome in reality.

      https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1jki1lj/pol...

    • cft28 minutes ago
      That's a very naive take of someone who never professionally traded. There are liquidity providing, market making trading strategies that work in absence of insider information.
    • NDlurker4 hours ago
      The real money is in providing liquidity if you don't have insider knowledge.
      • Onavo4 hours ago
        Well you either get XKCD 1570 or Jane Street.

        https://xkcd.com/1570/

        Not much in between. The efficient market hypothesis claims many victims.

    • cosmojg4 hours ago
      This is true of all markets.
  • burnhamup2 hours ago
    I was curious how a man in Switzerland gets charged in the US for a placing bets on a site that doesn't allow the US to participate.

    The short answer seems to be that he stole private information from a US company and used that information to enrich himself. And then got that charge enhanced with things like wire fraud and transacting on systems involving US currency.

    And another commentor suggests that punishing insider traders in a step towards legitimzing and regulating prediction markets in the US.

    • jeroenhd17 minutes ago
      You can charge anyone in the world with anything, the trouble is getting a judge to agree with you and getting your hands on the person you're charging.

      The first problem doesn't seem to be all that hard in the US (unless the inside traders are part of the US government, of course), the second problem can be as simple as having Google organise an all-expenses-paid team activity to bait the subject into jurisdiction.

      If the basis for their charges really is just that he traded in dollars, then this is yet another example why nobody should trust Americans and their currency when it comes to trade. I hope they can come up with something better than that.

    • esalman12 minutes ago
      US charged and arrested a man in Venezuela so...
    • scheme27132 minutes ago
      The interesting part is that he got charged with insider trading. A few attorneys on bluesky have pointed out that this is a novel use of this law since previously the trading occurred on regulated markets (e.g. SEC or CFTC regulated markets like stock markets and commodities/futures exchanges).
  • yakbarber4 hours ago
    That's aweful, only senators should be allowed to do that!
    • thewileyonean hour ago
      And the progeny of someone whose name rhymes with 'Thwump'.
      • khazhoux33 minutes ago
        You can probably just say Trump
  • solarkraft3 hours ago
    Interesting to see that insider trading is considered illegal after all.

    When will the white house insiders see the same fate?

    • ramon15610 minutes ago
      Well, you see, the house always wins
  • seydor39 minutes ago
    Well at least if they were gambling they wouldn't be in danger of arrest.

    A few more cases like this and people will go back to gambling

  • mortsnort2 hours ago
    Why are we wasting government money cracking down on Polymarket betting? The most offensive thing in this article is the government pretending Polymarket bets are securities. Prediction markets provide no benefit to society and don't need to exist.
    • anonu2 hours ago
      Isn't that stock market a prediction market?
  • frakkingcylons3 hours ago
    If you worked at Google for 12 years, it seems pretty irrational to commit this kind of crime for only $1M.

    Maybe there’s a chance he can get pardoned before 2029 lol

    • Marsymars14 minutes ago
      > If you worked at Google for 12 years, it seems pretty irrational to commit this kind of crime for only $1M.

      Kinda? It's not like people making an order of magnitude less don't get busted for crimes where they're stealing an order of magnitude less.

  • onlypassingthru3 hours ago
    If you're playing a poker game and you look around the table and and can't tell who the sucker is, it's you.

    - Paul Newman

  • nielsbotan hour ago
    So are we going to regulate these things or what?

    See also: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/24/us/how-prediction-markets...

  • kevmo3143 hours ago
    If he had made less money doing it he probably would have gotten away with it.
  • profsummergig2 hours ago
    NSA employees must be the final boss of this kind of stuff.
  • kingleopold4 hours ago
    So now the real bet he lost is salary + time for all those years he is going to prision + lower job for decades after prison. This person bet Millions to get $1M basically and lost both, very rare gambling level lost from smart(used to) person. At least normal gambler loses what they have and some debt.
    • cbg0an hour ago
      You're making a bold assumption that this is the first time they're making money off of these bets.
    • winter_blue2 hours ago
      He was Staff-level as well. That's minimum $500k a year or more. And tenure often grows pay disproportionately at Google. That's easily $20 million lost.
  • 827a4 hours ago
    Anderson Cooper: But predictive markets do rely on someone having some inside information.

    Shayne Coplan: Uh-huh. Yeah. I think that people going and having an edge to the market is a good thing. Obviously, you need to curate them and you need to be really clear and stringent on where the line is drawn and, like, sort of ethics and we spend a lot of time on that. But it's sort of an inevitability that this will happen, and there's a lot of benefits from it. And, you know, people will adapt.

    [1] https://www.cbsnews.com/news/polymarket-ceo-shayne-coplan-on...

    • gammarator3 hours ago
      “and, like, sort of ethics”
      • jcgrillo3 hours ago
        they spent a lot of time on it!
  • wg028 minutes ago
    Meanwhile His Royal Highness is free to do as he please. Got even life time immunity deal as well
  • ElenaDaibunny4 hours ago
    Forbes flagged this account back in December and it still took prosecutors months to charge him.
    • Duwensatzaj4 hours ago
      Yes, what did you expect? That’s amazingly fast for federal prosecutors.
  • AtNightWeCode27 minutes ago
    How could this be insider trading? Polymarket has nothing to do with financial securities. A bet on Polymarket is like trading any other crypto asset.
  • iririririr3 hours ago
    So they hanged a nobody while the person who made even more with white house insider trading announcements by the president goes scotch free?
    • jeroenhd11 minutes ago
      Trump's family and their cronies have a free pardon waiting for them the day they get convicted. Better wait until the next regime shift, spending money on trying to prosecute the insiders now is just a waste of everyone's time and money. So far Trump has pardoned the 1/6 insurrectionists without any consequences, pardoning someone for a little white collar crime is barely going to hit the news cycle.
  • morkalork5 hours ago
    Anyone could have run the list of candidate names from the bets through google trends right?
    • fragmede4 hours ago
      There's an end-of-year Google trends wrapped that the employee pulled off an internal system before it was public.