99 pointsby HelloUsernamean hour ago20 comments
  • qsort17 minutes ago
    I truly don't get Google's move.

    I'm sure the model is fine, but it's not Google Search, and when I want Search I want Search. If I wanted to ask an AI, why can't I ask the one from my subscription... that I'm already paying for... that's actually good... that can also search the web?

    I assume it's a play to test the waters for how the ad market is going to work, because as a product I really can't see why I would ever use it. Dropbox comment moment incoming?

    • mrweasel3 minutes ago
      > I truly don't get Google's move.

      Users aren't adopting their AI at the rate shareholders expect, so they now force the adoption at the cost of search.

  • osigurdson7 minutes ago
    I actually like AI mode in Google. My main reason is if I just have a quick question it seems a lot quicker than logging into ChatGPT/Claude as I can just type it in the address bar.

    Of course DDG / others can do the exact same thing as they already have an AI mode. Maybe you can even set up ChatGPT as a search engine - not sure. The key for this use case is speed - it has to be nearly instant.

  • marginalia_nu18 minutes ago
    Yeah, starting from a much lower baseline than DDG, I've had something like a 10x increase in queries last ~week. Seems like a lot of people are looking for alternatives.

    For as much as how the startup space loves to pay lip service to contrarian bets, people sure do all be running in the same direction.

  • al_borland34 minutes ago
    My friends who previously had no interest in technology and never talked about it, are suddenly following tech news closely all because they hate AI being pushed so hard. One was just messaging me this morning about alternatives to Google search and maps. He ended up downloading DuckDuckGo.

    If Google isn’t carefully they’re going to push people away from their golden goose.

    • dylan6043 minutes ago
      Search is not the golden goose. Ads are. If search was the golden goose, they wouldn't be trying so hard to replace it with AI.

      Just because Google used to do search as their main point of business does not mean that holds true today. Holding on to the false premise will only add to your confusion about their decisions.

  • NDlurker26 minutes ago
    I've been going back and forth between DDG and Google. I have DDG set as default and only use Google if DDG isn't giving me good results.
  • bratsche6 minutes ago
    There have been a few times where I found Google's AI mode useful. But most of the time I just want regular search results.

    I'm among the people who finally moved to DuckDuckGo as my default. And for the occasional time when I want some AI mode I know how to get to Google.

  • bko16 minutes ago
    > Just for a start, visits to its AI-free search page noai.duckduckgo.com between May 20 to May 25 are said to have increased by 22.7% on average week-on-week, with the figures peaking May 24 at 27.7%.

    > The DuckDuckGo mobile app saw installs spike in the US by 18.1% on average compared to the previous week. TechCrunch reported this growth was sustained over six days, peaking at 30.5% on May 25. An even greater number of iOS users hit download on the app though, with installs seeing an average week-on-week growth of 33% and a peak of 69.9%.

    Why do they report only relative numbers? These numbers alone are meaningless. This is just lazy reporting.

    • bee_rider10 minutes ago
      They wanted to write a story where this was a negative consequence for Google, I suspect, but the absolute numbers wouldn’t have supported that (they mention that it is inconsequential to Google a couple paragraphs in, if your browser can sustain the site for that long. Mine had trouble).
    • mossTechnician5 minutes ago
      noai.duckduckgo.com probably receives much less traffic than the main domain, which enjoys placement in many prominent browsers (and offers AI overviews by default, although they are far smaller and less likely to appear than on Google). It would be much more interesting to see absolute numbers... in the context of the main site.
  • lisplist20 minutes ago
    I switched to DDG about a year ago and it works fine for me. For some queries, Google still surfaces better results, but DDG is good enough that I don't really miss it.

    The only Google service I haven't been able to replace is YouTube - no real alternative. I still use Google Maps as well, but could probably switch to Apple maps without missing much. For hiking trails, Apple Maps has often been superior. I briefly tried OpenStreetMaps years ago, but the lack of traffic data and the fact that it gave me bad directions made it untenable.

  • 256BitChrisan hour ago
    From my experience the Google AI mode is more restrictive on what it will let you search for and the content it produces.

    I personally have had to use DuckDuckGo to search for things that Gemini finds to be against its instructions to answer.

    And I'm not talking about things that are NSFW, but some things that Gemini just doesn't want to discuss.

    That's kinda Gemini's problem in general, it just is overly restrictive and doesn't like to talk about anything things that Claude will freely talk about and push against and discuss with you.

    • rvnx40 minutes ago
      You are absolutely right, DuckDuckGo is better for porn than Google, but if you want even better results you can use Yandex.

      For other things, Grok is quite fast — Perplexity too

  • feverzsj26 minutes ago
    Feels like google is purposely downgrading non-AI search results
  • notepad0x9019 minutes ago
    I'll have to see Google's stats as well. I went the other way leaving DDG for google AI mode. I use ddg still if I just want it to find a site. if I want answers, I use Google.

    I would say it's more than visits that count, how many people are staying in the DDG or Google home page doing things? a lot more with Google I'd think. they've succeeded in trapping me in their product, instead of navigating away, and I'm happier for it. And... i still don't get what people's problem is (quality wise that is), you don't have to use AI results right, and it's pretty obvious what the AI interaction portion of the page is? I'm sure ad blocker extensions can remove it entirely as well. DDG's quality is not just lower, it requires me clicking around to get AI assisted summary.

    I just don't get it, is people's time not valuable? even if half the time the AI results are wrong, it offsets (for me - and it's more like 5%) the time I waste clicking on random sites, some of them ad-trodden (where a blocker isn't available), outdated,etc.. and I usually don't even go to the second page of the result where as the AI reviews more than the first page or two to give me a summary. I'm saving lots and lots of time, getting more done with it.

    This is tech, not religion, but it feels like people are conflating the two. it's just a tool that's used to search things.

  • mt_34 minutes ago
    As someone who has been driving DDG for the past 6 years, i have switched to Google back due to the new AI mode,, its such a nice quick way to check information and validate ideas.. no friction included.
  • cute_boi10 minutes ago
    The problem with DDG is they don't have their own infra like brave and rely so much on bing...
  • noncoml15 minutes ago
    DuckDuckGo have to change their brand name if they want non-technical people to take them seriously
    • Hugsboxa minute ago
      This has been my issue with DuckDuckGo from the start... it needs to be something a little more catchy and that rolls off the tongue. Saying "I'll DuckDuckGo it" feels so clunky. As small of a gripe as it sounds like, it really does matter.
    • clownpenis_fart10 minutes ago
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  • Legend244031 minutes ago
    Both statements can be true, you know.

    Some people can love AI mode while others hate it.

  • mlongval13 minutes ago
    New Google -> perfect example of en$hi++ification.
  • John787878139 minutes ago
    AI mode isn't that terrible.
  • supaflybanzai5 minutes ago
    Obligatory “I use Kagi” comment since I didn’t see any. /s

    But seriously… Kagi is awesome!

  • wotsdat33 minutes ago
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  • root-parent28 minutes ago
    "Google’s AI Overviews Don't Have an Off Switch. 4 Tricks to Return to Traditional Web Results" - https://www.pcmag.com/explainers/googles-ai-overviews-dont-h...
    • john_strinlai18 minutes ago
      they dont even recommend using a different search engine? shame on them.

      why bother fiddling with url parameters or switching entire browsers when you can just go to one of many other search sites?

      this is just an ad for brave being disguised as something 'helpful'.

    • notepad0x9018 minutes ago
      are you a bot?

      Why do you need an off switch, are your eyes and fingers not able too coordinate scrolling down past the already half collapsed ai overview section? does it offend you at a spiritual level to see it?