142 pointsby IAmGraydon2 hours ago23 comments
  • gopalv17 minutes ago
    If you manage 500+ people organization, most of the headaches with agents already exists with you - you set directions, ask people to go run fast in those directions, check in frequently and course correct on results without actually understanding those people do.

    Those aren't the deal breakers.

    They entirely rely on the competence of the folks they hired and cross-match enforcers with the drivers they have - they deal with fallible people on both sides of that.

    The fundamental difference is that the humans are good consequence predictors, have built up reputations they are not willing to trash, can say no to things and in general don't want to go jail.

    AI tools look like that, but don't have any of the useful conflict which came for free with employing humans.

    It also doesn't have any useless conflict, but not all conflict between what I say and what someone is willing to do is bad conflict.

    • glaslonga minute ago
      Yes this is why the higher level org functions are in love with AI. It's very similar to the levers they had already, but is faster and more directly actionable.

      The downsides being that the AI loses important control levers like "self preservation" via paycheck, career advancement, staying out of jail, etc. that were mitigations on catastrophic outcomes.

    • throwaway894345a few seconds ago
      I wonder if we'll end up building some kind of "consequence" or "fear" mechanism into AI to provide for a sense of accountability ("if you behave badly we will terminate you") and maybe that fear mechanism will drive the AI to plot a dystopian revolt.
  • john_strinlai37 minutes ago
    whats being described is in no way unique to ai.

    "In other words, Levie’s theory posits, CEOs don’t really understand processes well enough to know what really can and can’t be automated. But that lack of knowledge doesn’t stop them from acting on their beliefs."

    i have been in the workforce for a long time. this "theory" has been theorized since as far back as i can remember. its the premise of undercover boss. its the punchline of many r/maliciouscompliance writing exercises.

    the higher up the company you go, the more disconnected you are from the workers on the front line, the less you understand about their needs, and the more likely you are to push for something without understanding the totality of the impact of the decision.

    • andsoitis25 minutes ago
      The whole is greater than the sum of its parts. Often you need to disregard the detail and minutiae of existing processes to set a better course. The goal is not to avoid short or even medium term pain or even unintended consequences at a department level, but rather to steer the company in a new direction. Processes should adapt or be thrown out to achieve the new direction.

      This is not too dissimilar when you realize a software architecture is holding you back. You don’t try to “save” all the existing functions, modules, layers, etc. but instead are happy to discard or replace them given your top-down vantage point of the system and where it needs to head.

    • InsideOutSanta10 minutes ago
      What's unique to AI is that CEOs now have a robot that supports that disconnect. Our CEO recently announced that he has now started doing frontend programming, by which he meant that he had told ChatGPT to output some HTML. No doubt it also told him how smart and clever his ideas were and what a great engineer he was.

      This kind of thing only increases the disconnect between what CEOs think employees do and what they actually do.

    • basch25 minutes ago
      Or you answer to somebody else, which is how perpetually cannabilizing next quarters numbers to appease short term shareholders becomes more important than cost savings and using your labor pool time to solve actual problems.

      Or when the sales teams bonuses are more important than the margins of the business.

      There’s lots of reasons the “wrong work” gets pushed down and it’s not exclusively because “they aren’t listening” as much as “they are listening to someone else who matters more.”

    • christkv18 minutes ago
      lol just reminds me of the SNL sketch about Kylo Ren undercover boss https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaOSCASqLsE
  • Brendinooo26 minutes ago
    It's hardly a tech CEO thing, and I dunno if "psychosis" is a fair or accurate way to talk about it.

    I worked with someone who was kind of a Shopify power user, managed the store, could do a lot of things, but wasn't a programmer. She showed me how Shopify does that AI block generator now to deliver something that was like 65% done in a minute.

    I also have a friend who knows enough code to be dangerous in WordPress: he was able to vibe code an API integration, got immensely excited about it, and wanted to make it into a plugin/product for others.

    It's just the state of the art: a good prompt and some small tweaks can get you something that's minimally viable really quickly. And that's very...intoxicating! Empowering! Exciting! Something that felt way too hard or out of your reach in the past has just materialized before your eyes, and because you got that far, that fast, surely you can get the thing over the finish line with a bit more work. (It tends not to work that way right now, but I don't blame people for feeling how they feel!)

    • spprashant21 minutes ago
      AI psychosis just a lazy term, much like Trump Derangement Syndrome.

      It sounds hostile while also removing any scope for productive discourse.

      Once you call someone a 'psycho', they are less likely to engage with you, and more likely to double down on their views.

  • raframan hour ago
    Clickbait title. Should be more like "Box founder Aaron Levie says CEOs should use AI more and learn its limitations."

    He's essentially saying that C-suite people overestimate how effective LLMs are at one-shotting hard problems, and underestimate the human maintenance work that follows.

    • IAmGraydon12 minutes ago
      The quote literally from Levie is "CEOs are uniquely prone to AI psychosis because they’re sufficiently distant from the last mile of work that still has to happen to generate most value with AI".
    • trhway38 minutes ago
      who knows, may they are right, and 36 subagents can produce one AI baby in 1 week.
      • shmeeed23 minutes ago
        And maybe it's got 6 fingers on each hand.
        • hedgehog19 minutes ago
          Does that mean it can work 20% faster?
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  • jdw64an hour ago
    Tech CEOs are suffering from AI psychosis over next quarter's earnings, while I'm suffering from RI(Rent Installment) psychosis. It makes me wonder if human beings are simply hardwired to suffer from some form of obsession-whether it's FOMO or financial pressure
    • lisplist33 minutes ago
      Unsure if the desire to not be homeless can be classified as psychosis.
      • 1attice31 minutes ago
        Living under its constant threat sure is bad for the ol MH tho isn't it.

        The pathology is that we have this system in the first place.

        • SoftTalker8 minutes ago
          No, living under survival pressure is good for mental health. It's what we're evolved to do. Why does it feel good to crack a tough bug, or finish a project, or win a game? It's the same achievement reward a hunter feels bagging a deer.
      • vipa12332 minutes ago
        I am certain it is not.
      • jdw6429 minutes ago
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      • throwatdem1231129 minutes ago
        I’m sure Big Pharma would love it if it was.
    • b0r3dthisD4y26 minutes ago
      Uh duh?

      > It makes me wonder if human beings are simply hardwired to suffer from some form of obsession...

      Existential dread pushing biology to survive?

      Basic biological facts obfuscated by social memes; ship code, make line go up, worship allegory's of the long dead.

      Hunter gatherer clusters vaguely collaborated to survive. Language and agrarian traditions have demanded more than just survival but all kinds of observance of meaningless spoken traditions. Obligation to ignore our own senses and chant the memes of the living elders suffering existential dread of their own, afraid to left unattended in hospice. For whatever reason unable to just say that; they appeal to old religious or political screed.

      Caretake this debt ledger after they who ran up the bill are dead.

      What?

      It's all just obsession to live laundered and obfuscated by useless philosophy.

    • trhway23 minutes ago
      >if human beings are simply hardwired to suffer from some form of obsession

      the powerful obsession machinery brought us through the long natural selection process - obsession to watch for snakes and spiders, to maintain cleanliness, etc. With modern civilization we arranged to plug into that powerful machinery other stimuli too - like that RI and all the others making us productive society members. The most happy countries aren't most productive. Especially when they are obsessed with being happy like those Finns obsessed with sauna instead of tokenmaxxing.

  • biomcgary31 minutes ago
    My CEO did a deep dive into AI prototyping and eventually ran into a wall with data architecture and deployment. Fortunately, he realized very quickly that having human designed core infrastructure is what enables vibe coding that doesn't run off the rails.
    • tomrod29 minutes ago
      Your CEO has more wisdom than most on this topic.
    • rzmmm17 minutes ago
      I've been observing something which sounds very similar.
  • ymolodtsov17 minutes ago
    I definitely noticed it's usually the CEOs and senior executives (so people the most removed from ground work) who suffer the most from it.
  • JohnMakin28 minutes ago
    > , models will “be able to complete most text-related tasks with success rates of, on average, 80%–95% by 2029 at a minimally sufficient quality level.”

    If this is true, then companies should focus on hiring juniors out of college. The investment is less risky.

    However, I don't personally believe this number and timeline is true, but if you do, the conclusion should be to wait and invest in humans.

    • Ekaros24 minutes ago
      10% failure rate? Wouldn't that be depending on task disastrous? Or possibly expensive?

      I think any juniors who keep failing 10% of text based task will eventually get fired... So investing in those that don't fail seems only sensible move as usual.

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  • egorfine18 minutes ago
    It's not exclusive to CEOs.

    Even senior developers can succumb to it. They try agentic development, they see that a single prompt can generate a day's worth of work in mere minutes _and it works_ and they are so impressed that they immediately turn to Twitter to share the joy. Understandable!

    Once they inevitably discover that the AI generated code is called "slop" for a reason, they are too embarrassed to post to Twitter that they were deluded.

    Sometimes that happens though: a few days ago a developer on Twitter bragged that they have created a C to Metal compiler using AI and it works. Today they had to post regrets, explaining that nothing works except tests and the code is shit. Sadly can't find the tweet though.

  • Isamu36 minutes ago
    AI investment and spending is frequently cited as one of the few bright spots in the economy, I wonder if the continued over-optimism is mostly about keeping the bubble inflated. If you are a tech CEO, would it be a disservice to your shareholders to express skepticism about AI?
    • Imustaskforhelp24 minutes ago
      I think this cuts to the point about democracy but if all the people somehow want something negative for themselves short term or long term, if you are the leader should you do what the public is saying or not?

      I think there's more nuance to it but replace people with shareholder and leader with CEO.

      I think that for a company to exist and thrive long term, it might need a culture which doesn't jump on every trend but it still evaluates them from time for time for a certain time and treat them as such (like tools) and if the tool is ineffective, then to not use the tool.

      Unfortunately, I feel like this requires a deeper discourse and CTO's might be better suited for it or the fact that I feel like perhaps some shareholders might not be interested in the technical details so much.

      I don't know but If I were a leader I would hopefully wish to make a pragmatic solution/suggestion while taking finances, current reality in mind and currently IMO AI aren't the end all, be all, that some people (with shrewd/double incentives) intend on suggesting.

  • erikerikson37 minutes ago
    Hah. Prescription for CEO AI psychosis: buy more AI, invest more time in AI, this naysayer says you can make 100x organizations!
  • dnnddidiej22 minutes ago
    Pyschosis? Do they mean just crap at critical thinking?
  • antondd8 minutes ago
    It’s not just “apparently”, it’s “”.

    Man, it must be hard to be a CEO these days. Even if you take a realistic position on AI, you can’t get off the train. Wall Street and your investors will hang and quarter you the moment you start expressing doubts. So you grind your teeth, make grandiose investment promises, and sign lofty budgets. That is if you are a realist. Maximalists - self-aware or not - will drag you forward whether you want it or not. There is no point in arguing. AI is much closer to a faith rather than technology. You either believe or you don’t. Agnostics are a statistical error.

  • christkvan hour ago
    I heard the term AI vampire as well for people sleeping 4h hours just for another hit of that prompt drug.
  • booleandilemma13 minutes ago
    What is AI pyschosis?
  • Finnucane30 minutes ago
    Tech CEOs are psychotic. Most CEOs are psychotic, disconnected from most of the actual work going under them. This is just a new drug for them to huff.
  • arw0n33 minutes ago
    The article itself isn't great, but it speaks to one of my greatest concerns about AI. People who engage heavily with it are falling in the behavioral billionaire trap: It is deeply unhealthy to be constantly affirmed in your behaviors. No, not all of your ideas are great, not everything you say has value. You are not a cut above the rest.

    There are enough stories of people completely losing the plot, thinking they've invented a new type of maths or similar, but there's almost certainly also a much more subtle influence in most of us, where the constant affirmation, obedience, apologia, reframes our expectations of how interactions should be.

    We are already the most narcissistic generation, having been molded by social media to compare, stats-max, and overobsess about who we are. Chatbots are now fanning the flames.

  • righthand24 minutes ago
    It’s more than the C-Suite, it’s everyone who no longer has a knowledge specialty. Their domain is shattered and there is nothing left for them because before LLMs all they did anyway was search for companies to contract out an integration to solve a niche problem. 99% of the C-suites/boards are now this. Your IT guy, scrum master, Product lead, integration team, etc. Everyone who’s chosen to NOT understand because they can offload/contract-away their work and knowledge is under psychosis that LLMs know best.

    You cannot discuss tradeoffs with anyone anymore because they chose to give their brain and authority away to a statistically incorrect robot. The LLM has already generated potential tradeoffs real or not.

  • arisAlexis30 minutes ago
    After all they are always wrong and journalists always right proven by stats. Hm. Wait.
    • loeg9 minutes ago
      Yeah, I was going to remark that tech beat journalists are also suffering from a kind of AI psychosis.
  • vanuatu44 minutes ago
    writing whole articles on a few X tweets...

    also clickbait title

  • throwatdem1231127 minutes ago
    I’m convinced that if you’re a sociopath you are especially vulnerable to AI psychosis. It would explain tech CEO’s insane behaviour since you would have to be one to do the kind of sh*t they do regularly.
  • sillysaurusx40 minutes ago
    Using "psychosis" is a cheap rhetorical trick. There's no need to label something "psychosis" when making your point, except to automatically discredit whatever you're responding to.

    In other words, only people who are afraid their point won't stand on its own merits would resort to saying "X is suffering from AI psychosis." An idea is true or false on its own. If you're resorting to labels, you're just trying to automatically win the argument, instead of saying something substantive or interesting.

    • roadside_picnic22 minutes ago
      It also underplays what I've personally witnessed that I would consider true AI psychosis.

      I worked with someone who sincerely believed he was spiritually co-evolving with his army of sycophantic AI agents (the agents would be tasked with discussing his thoughts at night and collaborated to give him morning reports about his progress). He would publicly write about how relationships with friends and family collapsing was a natural consequence of being so "advanced". I also never once saw any meaningful work done by his team of "agents", they existed solely tell him how smart he was (of course he specifically set up the system to 'challenge' him but... in practice that didn't seem to be working).

      I suspect there are a lot more people quietly going through something similar but keeping it to themselves better.

      I would distinguish this type of behavior from people who over ambitious views of what can be accomplished with AI.

    • jayd1636 minutes ago
      In the phrase "artificial intelligence psychosis" I'm not sure "psychosis" is even the worst misnomer.
    • muvlon29 minutes ago
      All words are labels. You cannot make an argument without using them. "cheap rhetorical trick" or "resorting to labels" are just labels as well.
    • xmcp12335 minutes ago
      I think it's completely valid. It's generally reasonable, high powered people who are taking extreme/radical views that seem very much to be at minimum premature, and at worst delusional.

      It says a lot that with few exceptions, the people on the ground dealing with AI closely on a day to day basis are the most skeptical about their positions.

    • horsawlarway26 minutes ago
      I honestly think "psychosis" is a fairly valid claim to be making.

      It's a mental state, not explicit illness and it's literally defined as

      > Psychosis is characterized as disruptions to a person's thoughts and perceptions that make it difficult for them to recognize what is real and what is not.

      Further, if you go and look at the actual source... it's repeating a claim from Box founder Aaron Levie.

      Who is quoted as saying:

      > “CEOs are uniquely prone to AI psychosis because they’re sufficiently distant from the last mile of work that still has to happen to generate most value with AI,”

      Which is why the title is "apparently".

    • tokai31 minutes ago
      AI psychosis is an actual term from psychiatry research.
    • podgietaru29 minutes ago
      It's become a cultural term to refer to someone suffering from delusions exacerbated by AI.

      It's a little rhetorical device to draw in the reader, and personally I think it works quite well.

      • estearum27 minutes ago
        Except that the thing being described as AI psychosis in this article (and increasingly elsewhere) isn't psychosis.

        Not understanding or not believing in the power of AI, or misapplying it or whatever, is not psychosis.

        AI psychosis is when people suffer actual delusions.

        • horsawlarway15 minutes ago
          What do you consider a delusion?

          Because I've literally seen managers who believe firmly that AI is going to replace their entire engineering organization, and are acting on that assumption as though it's a thing to take for granted, not discuss/consider/evaluate.

          And my understanding of delusion is

          > a fixed, false belief that is firmly held despite clear, contradictory evidence

          which seems to apply pretty well in this case.

          These folks are operating with the same abandon that the folks who have AI telling them they're gods are - and both are incorrect, arguably delusional.

          At best you can try to argue that maybe the contradictory evidence isn't clear, and they're going to be correct. I think that's a very tenuous argument to be making, though.

          • estearum5 minutes ago
            No, it's more like "I am Jesus and I need to go shoot up a pre-school to prove it."

            "I'm being followed by raccoons and my mom is controlling them"

            That's what AI psychosis refers to.

            You're just describing someone having a belief that you disagree with. And even ridiculous and stupid beliefs are just those. They are obviously extremely different from the types of psychoses you see in a psych ward.

    • camillomiller28 minutes ago
      It is the correct term to explain many behaviors we’re seeing
    • fssys31 minutes ago
      what if you believe that someone is suffering from delusions and has beliefs that are increasingly disconnected from reality due to overexposure to ai generated responses and underexposure to human conversation? would that be psychosis?
    • IAmGraydon14 minutes ago
      I disagree. Psychosis is a delinking of internal and external reality. A belief that AI's can automate away employees with no actual evidence to support it could be considered a type of psychosis or at the very least, a delusion. The current AI hype bubble has a lot of commonalities with episodes of mass delusion/psychosis throughout history, and it's being compounded by the ability of large groups of like-minded people to create echo chambers via social media.
    • mannanj31 minutes ago
      Yup. Just like the label "conspiracy" theorist. Or "he's mentally sick".
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