98 pointsby d0ks4 hours ago16 comments
  • TheOtherHobbes25 minutes ago
    It's impressive that somehow, as if by coincidence, we're seeing the biggest inflationary drivers for decades, perhaps for centuries, all happening simultaneously.

    The Iran war is spiking the price of oil and will likely cause shortages of pretty much everything if it isn't ended.

    The Ukraine war is helping with that by destroying Russian refining capacity.

    The memory shortage is set to do the same to consumer electronics, which are absolutely essential to the modern economy.

    Meanwhile the AI fad is seeing huge layoffs. At the same time as the AI Big Cos are beginning to show signs of ending the subsidised free lunch phase and moving to a utility model, which will raise prices for every company that is hooked on AI.

    Also tariffs. Although I'm not sure if anyone knows what's happening there.

    And farms are failing. Climate change will accelerate that, so there will be food shortages within a few years.

    If it's not cynical and deliberate, it's an astounding confluence of (literally) catastrophic mismanagement.

    • mr_toad9 minutes ago
      > Meanwhile the AI fad is seeing huge layoffs.

      This is really the only point I disagree with. Layoffs are being blamed on AI, but they are really a hangover of the covid hiring boom, and subsequent bust.

      All the tech money is going into building data centres (and the gas turbines that power data centres), and it turns out that programmers don’t have the relevant skills to build gas turbines.

    • 7thpower19 minutes ago
      Farms are failing where? More than usual?
      • bdangubic17 minutes ago
        they are not failing, our Socialist President provides billions in handouts for Farmers so they gonna be just fine
        • Gigachad2 minutes ago
          He destroys trade relations so the farmers can’t sell their produce, then bails them out by taking on more government debt so farmers can dump soybeans in a ditch.
        • xbmcuser11 minutes ago
          if they are large corporation owned farms as many small family owned farms are going to go bankrupt in the next 2 years because of the price of fertilizer and diesel and higher interest rate.
    • tootie18 minutes ago
      US tariffs are mostly dead. Ruled illegal and being refunded. Second attempt at tariffs has also been stopped. And inflation over the past 5 years is still milder than the late 70s and definitely milder than what has been seen in Turkey or Argentina or Zimbabwe.
      • gpt57 minutes ago
        Not to mention that some of the effects that OP cited are either deflationary (like layoffs and automation), or clearly cycle based (like the memory boom bust stages, experienced just a few years ago post COVID).
  • aurareturnan hour ago

      The MacBook Pro on which I’m writing this piece needs memory that can keep up with a powerful processor running many programs at once: so it uses a standard called DDR, “double data rate,” which runs at a reasonably high voltage and offers high bandwidth. The processor on my iPhone is less powerful, so it needs less data at any given moment; but voltage matters enormously, since every milliwatt allocated to memory is drained from the battery. So smartphones use LPDDR, “low-power double data rate,” a variant of DDR engineered to operate at lower voltages.
    
    The last MacBook Pro to use DDR was in 2019. All Apple Silicon Macs use LPDDR.
    • windowsrookie23 minutes ago
      Apple has been using LPDDR in the MacBooks since at least 2015. I remember it was one of the complaint of the 2016-2017 MacBook Pros. They were still using LPDDR3 because LPDDR4 wasn't ready for production yet (despite regular DDR4 being available). The 2018 MacBook Pro's finally switched to LPDDR4.
    • cherioo26 minutes ago
      Maybe author is writing this from an Intel Mac!
      • aurareturn24 minutes ago
        Quite possible. He did say his “powerful” MacBook Pro CPU is faster than his iPhone.

        I’m pretty sure even an iPhone 11 chip is more powerful than a 2019 MacBook Pro CPU in ST. An iPhone 15 is more powerful than the fastest 2019 MacBook Pro Intel CPU in MT.

        I suppose he can be using a 2019 MacBook Pro or older and an iPhone 14 or older and compares only MT speeds.

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  • LeifCarrotsonan hour ago
    What was most surprising about all this to me was this line:

    > So modern DRAM manufacturing is an extraordinarily complex and expensive process. Building a single state-of-the-art DRAM fabrication facility, a “fab,” will cost you about $15 to $20 billion; acquiring all the necessary equipment, like lithography tools and etching machines, will cost you another few billion; and then it’ll take you a few years of producing substandard and defective memory chips before your yields start to look competitive.

    Extraordinarily complex and expensive! And yet I look at all the money being shuffled around between Nvidia and Google and Microsoft and Amazon and Apple and can't help but think that this is a tiny amount in comparison to what they're moving around on the stock market buying shares in each other.

    Apple in particular has $20B in its couch cushions and is very vertically integrated and hardware-focused. Apple silicon is currently made by TSMC, but it seems they'd be a prime candidate to spin up their own memory fab.

    I suppose the biggest problem to current executives at each company is the "few years" until that investment yields results, in the short term it's better to pay through the nose and buy GPUs with HBM at any price.

    • mrandish11 minutes ago
      > it seems they'd be a prime candidate to spin up their own memory fab.

      While Apple et al certainly have the money to tilt up their own fab, they're savvy enough to understand the memory market's long history of constant boom/bust cycles. I still remember the huge DRAM shortage in late 80s forcing my startup at the time to delay launching our new product for a year.

      People assume Apple cares about vertically integrating cost but they're actually focused on integrating margin. Apple has billions in cash on hand and when they think about what to do with it, a key metric is Return on Capital, especially the margin that capital will generate. Since a core metric public companies are judged on is blended margin, they are looking for ways their bags o' cash can be put to work generating revenue at margins that will pull their current average margin up vs down.

      Averaged over time, mainstream memory devices are historically one of the worst margin areas of the semi market. It's super expensive to tilt up a fab on a new node but once you do, turning the crank faster to make a lot more chips isn't too hard because mainstream DRAM tends to be quite uniform. So when a fab on a new node and/or RAM generation first opens, the margins tend to be pretty great. But as the node matures and/or the RAM generation goes from 'new' to 'commodity', competition heats up as everyone gets better at making more faster. Then they're tempted to maximize revenue by cutting prices until their mature fab is at 101% utilization. And that eventually drives margins down until someone's selling near cost to sustain their low-price-enabling volume - with occasional dips below cost when they get stuck holding excess inventory. That's why cash-rich companies with high margins like Apple are delighted to buy DRAM built with Other People's Money. As long as the DRAM market is under competitive pressure, Apple gets to shop their huge orders around to get the absolute lowest price on RAM that was built with other investor's low margin dollars.

    • swatcoderan hour ago
      And what happens if the market settles back down or the leading memory tech pivots away from what you invested all this capital and time chasing?

      You'd need a very strong, very particular forecast to make such a costly bet. And conversely, it may say something about their internal forecasts that they're not making the bet.

      • lesuorac34 minutes ago
        > And conversely, it may say something about their internal forecasts that they're not making the bet.

        Idk if you can read into it that way.

        All these companies have cafeterias but you don't see them investing into farmland so they can get their bananas a few cents cheaper.

        But also why bother spending 20B on a fab when you can invest 20B into TSMC and let them build the fab?

      • shimman37 minutes ago
        Why should society care about people making profits? Society would greatly benefit from cheap abundant ram than FAANG shares going up. I'm kinda sick about only caring that some billionaire makes more money and would rather you know... actually improve conditions to better society.

        This is why China is eating the West. Quite easy to start an electronics company when you have such an abundance of suppliers, compare this to America where there is maybe one or two players in the entire nation.

        Quite pathetic, but we live in a pathetic world so it tracks.

        • prewett5 minutes ago
          Society should care about people making profits because otherwise those people do something else instead of providing goods and services. What happened in Communism is instructive on this point. Now if you want to argue that the pursuit of maximum profit as an end is a problem, there's a case to be made. The US had something like a marginal tax rate of 90% around the 1940s/1950s, if I recall correctly, and it obviously didn't hurt innovation, but people got paid in perks and corner offices and status instead of just money.

          I think people are misled by Marx and derivatives, and misdiagnose the problem. I don't think people are upset by the CEO making lots of money as much as they are by the HBS management style of using people as a tool, or even as interchangeable "resources". However, the philosophical materialism of Marx & Co. pretty much makes this inevitable. (The secular view is also materialism, so you get it on both sides.)

        • hcurtiss17 minutes ago
          You think Chinese businesses aren’t in it for the profits?
    • m46322 minutes ago
      > Apple in particular has $20B in its couch cushions

      I wonder how long it REALLY took them to move from intel to apple silicon, which they don't even make.

      It might be easy, like a consumer deciding to generate their own electricity (pv on the roof)

      or it might be slightly harder, like a consumer deciding to generate their own electricity by drilling for oil, refining it, etc...

      • prewett15 minutes ago
        Well, they acquired PA Semi in 2008, they used their first chip (the A4) in the iPad in 2010, and they progressively iterated using the chip in phones until they announced the switch from Intel in 2020 (concurrently, more or less, with the A14). So it took them 12 years and 10 different chips.
    • xbmcuser27 minutes ago
      Part of this is a lie high prices for equipment has a lot to do with monopolies in the whole supply chain and one of the major reason I am rooting for China to get parity on node as that would mean it would have been able to break all the monopolies and we get competition on the whole production from uv machines, wafer, on equipment for storing etc. Renewables are rapidly taking the world to very cheap or free energy but it would be bad if the way to best use the energy for production is controlled by a few corporations
    • richforresteran hour ago
      Literally the most overwhelming thought, reading this, is "man, capitalism is a mistake"

      The amounts of money circulating whilst some of us struggle to make rent ...

      Nothing fair, or just, about this world we live in

      • KnuthIsGod3 minutes ago
        China going capitalist ( while remaining authoritarian ) has helped lift 800 million out of desperate poverty.

        I hope that India too can emulate this in my lifetime. I was born in Kerala and would love to see Indians live in a country that is as wealthy per capita ( PPP adjusted ) as Singapore or failing that even as wealthy as the USA.

        Capitalism has it's problems. But you struggling with rent is entirely your self-inflicted problem...

      • mhban hour ago
        Courtesy of TFA and capitalism:

        "In 1985, if you were a reasonably affluent American, the best computer that you could afford was the IBM PC AT. The PC AT would cost you about $6,000—$19,400 in 2026 dollars—and thus represented about a quarter of the median American’s annual income; and it ran on an Intel 80286 processor, capable of something like 900,000 instructions per second. Today, if you find yourself in a market stall in Nairobi or Lagos, you’ll be able to find a cheap smartphone—like the Tecno Spark Go, manufactured by China’s Transsion—for somewhere between $30 and $120. That phone will run on a processor capable of billions of calculations per second."

        • richforrester34 minutes ago
          That has little to do with what I said.

          A third of the world lives in poverty. That's the fault of capitalism.

          • rationalist28 minutes ago
            > A third of the world lives in poverty. That's the fault of capitalism.

            So what you're saying is that capitalism lifted about two thirds of the world out of poverty.

            Thanks to capitalism, I don't have to toil in the fields.

            • hackyhacky21 minutes ago
              > Thanks to capitalism, I don't have to toil in the fields.

              No, that's thanks to commerce not to capitalism. Capitalism benefits those those who hold capital, which is not me.

              The fact that there are more than enough resources for no one to live in poverty should suggest to you that something is wrong with the distribution system.

              "It's true, Mr/Ms Rationalist, that our patented Miracle Medical Snakeoil caused a third of your leg to become necrotic and fall off, but be glad for the two thirds that did not fall off!"

              • rationalist16 minutes ago
                > > Thanks to capitalism, I don't have to toil in the fields.

                > No, that's thanks to commerce not to capitalism. Capitalism benefits those those who hold capital, which is not me.

                Are you toiling in the fields? It seems to me like your attitude is that "If I can't be rich, then no one should be rich."

                > The fact that there are more than enough resources for no one to live in poverty should suggest to you that something is wrong with the distribution system.

                So instead of two thirds of the world not living in poverty, everyone should live in poverty equally?

                • hackyhacky8 minutes ago
                  > It seems to me like your attitude is that "If I can't be rich, then no one should be rich."

                  The problem with capitalism is not that some people get rich and some people don't. The problem is that of an unfair playing field.

                  Everyone has a body and a mind, and commerce allows us to rent out those features in exchange for pay. People who are smarter or stronger or work harder or work more will be able to benefit more. That's how I got rich. But there's a limit to how rich I can get, because I have only one body and one mind and there are a finite number of hours in the day.

                  The other way to get rich is to own things. If you own a factory or real estate or bonds you get to charge other people and make a profit even though you are expending no effort. And in this case there is no limit on your profit, because you can use your profit to buy more capital and make more profit from that. The result is eventually a winner-take-all economy, where the winners own an increasing amount of society and everyone else pays them to use it. If that sounds familiar, it should, because it's feudelism, and is the eventual end state of capitalism.

                  You should really read a bit about the philosophy that you're arguing so vehemently for, apparently without knowing anything about it.

                  > So instead of two thirds of the world not living in poverty, everyone should live in poverty equally?

                  No, that's ridiculous.

          • CamperBob231 minutes ago
            Really? What other systems are better at lifting people out of poverty (without killing a few tens of millions in the process?)

            There are so many other places where this sort of low-effort high-school edgelording fits in better than here.

            • hackyhacky21 minutes ago
              > There are so many other places where this sort of low-effort high-school edgelording fits in better than here.

              A good sign of low-effort edgelording is championing an obviously broken system by using a straw man to disparage the alternatives.

        • hackyhacky36 minutes ago
          This quote has nothing to do with capitalism.

          Please note that "commerce" and "capitalism" are not synonymous, and that the former does not imply the latter. Capitalism is in no way a prerequisite for technological development.

          • CamperBob232 minutes ago
            Capitalism is in no way a prerequisite for technological development.

            Really? Who else builds stuff?

            • torben-friis25 minutes ago
              >Who else builds stuff?

              The Chinese, famously?

            • lkey9 minutes ago
              You don't have to demonstrate this kind of ignorance of human history on main. Aren't you embarrassed? Do you value knowledge even a little bit?

              When did capitalism begin? How was 'stuff' created and distributed prior to that? How do other, distinct and contemporaneous modes of production create 'stuff'?

            • hackyhacky30 minutes ago
              > Really? Who else builds stuff?

              Said the Christian in pre-Englightenment Europe: "Well, of course Christianity is the one true religion. After all, the whole civilized world is Christian."

              • CamperBob229 minutes ago
                That doesn't answer my question.
                • hackyhacky25 minutes ago
                  That's because your question is silly. I'll spell it out for you: Just because all modern states are capitalist does not mean that all states must be capitalist, as evidenced by the many erstwhile states that were not capitalist. Your failure to see beyond your immediate surroundings and ignoring the first sentence of my previous comment is perhaps the reason for your silly question.
  • simonw2 hours ago
    The headline here under-serves the article in my opinion: this is a fascinating, deep explanation of how the memory market works and why increased demand for HBM (used by big GPU racks) hurts the availability of wafers for DDR and LPDDR (used by laptops and phones).
    • cm20122 hours ago
      This author has outstanding articles regularly
  • stego-techan hour ago
    This is the biggest memory repricing cycle I've ever seen in my life; some degree of high price/limited availability and "free RAM with purchase of Doritos" cycle is always expected, but this has been the worst one yet.

    As other commenters have pointed out but I might have missed in the article, compute maturation is amplifying memory constraints right now and making it worse. Device upgrade cycles are getting longer because most compute-based products have matured, with CPUs not seeing substantial gains and memory usage really only expanding at the absolute top end of workloads pre-LLMs (3D and HPC in particular). An iPhone 14 still has almost all the features of the iPhone 17, because the compute capabilities are remarkably similar; Geekbench shows a performance delta of ~25-30% between the 14 and 17 Pro Max models, which is pretty paltry considering the devices are separated by four years of manufacturing improvements. This extends into desktops, laptops, tablets, STBs, and more, with only VR devices and larger ARM/RISC-based kit seeing more substantial uplifts as general designs improve.

    So with compute stagnating and memory constrained, my money is on vendors taking this as an opportunity to gradually shift away from a yearly release cadence and slow down to a biennial cycle that alternates between budget and flagship launches every other year. Even if LLMs fail spectacularly and all that memory capacity becomes available, HBM memory likely isn't to find its way into many consumer devices (just ask AMD how it worked out for them on consumer GCN GPUs).

    The name of the game, especially for consumers, is efficiency - "potato builds", as I've been calling them. Software and services optimized for lower power, smaller-specced devices of increasing age instead of pandering to flagship devices with poorly optimized code or engines for the sake of new shinies (like Raytracing). Between the memory shortage, shifting geopolitics, rising costs, and stagnant wages, consumer purchasing power is going to be squeezed like a vice for the foreseeable future, and businesses will need to adapt around that reality.

    • aurareturn11 minutes ago

        So with compute stagnating and memory constrained, my money is on vendors taking this as an opportunity to gradually shift away from a yearly release cadence and slow down to a biennial cycle that alternates between budget and flagship launches every other year.
      
      My bet is that vendors will simply discontinue their low margin phones, which are usually the budget phones.

      For example, Apple might make fewer iPhone 18 and let it sell out frequently. They’ll use their RAM supplies mostly for the Pro phones.

      I don’t think Apple will stop releasing new iPhone Pros every year. The business is too big.

  • Viacolan hour ago
    At Xiaomi's latest smartphone launch event, Xiaomi founder Lei Jun said that memory prices are likely to keep rising over the next two years, which could drive smartphone prices up as well. His conclusion was pretty direct: everyone should just replace their phones now. Kind of a depressing story.
    • nyc_data_geek133 minutes ago
      He could be right, or he could just be a phone company CEO trying to get you to buy a new phone, or he could be both.
    • cryptoegorophy44 minutes ago
      Wanted to get Steam Frame VR headset and probably it will be delayed due to this. Sad
  • amazingamazingan hour ago
    Maybe if we're lucky we get more memory efficient software. ehh who am I kidding.
    • BuyMyBitcoins7 minutes ago
      Last week I spent some extra time on a ticket in order to write a slight refactor that saves some RAM. If I had asked my boss for an extra day to implement this I would have been chastised for not delivering faster.

      Thankfully my colleagues saw the value in what I was doing. I smuggled the optimization into my PR with their approval. Anecdotal, but there are still people who care about efficiency out there.

      That being said, unless your manager is John Carmack, or you work in embedded systems, time spent on reducing memory footprints is seen as wasteful by the business.

    • hnthrowaway632319 minutes ago
      Might get some ingenious creations from poorer countries, like how in China they mod RTX GPUs to have more RAM because of export controls. Maybe some souped up Xiaomi devices with insane amounts of memory from old donor parts? Custom ROMs/postmarketOS for ultra low end devices that wouldn't normally get them but needed because they're going to need to last a few more years?
    • RachelF19 minutes ago
      Yeah, modern software towers of libraries literally eat memory.

      MS Teams uses around 1000MB of RAM to do exactly the same things that Microsoft Messenger could do in 8MB.

  • sys_647382 hours ago
    I can't say I've noticed specifically. I have two tracfone accounts and a Cricket account so used to use the Android phone with Cricket after two months - a free phone. But tracfone was bought by Verizon and they being them immediately changed the unlock period from two months to a year. So that to me kills my use case of free smartphones as I don't want to spend any money on phones.
  • blehnan hour ago
    But aren't there plenty of used expensive phones from the last 5-7 years that are more or less equivalent replacements for new cheap phones? Apple alone sells 250 million phones a year.
    • _--__--__an hour ago
      The article takes a while to get there, but it is focusing on a set of companies I hadn't heard of ("Transsion, Oppo, Vivo, and Lava") that buy components from last gen smartphones to make cheap devices to sell in the African and South(/east) Asian markets.

      Presumably the supply of 5+ year old used phones that fully work is not enough to meet that demand, which is why these frankenstein Android companies exist.

  • jimbokunan hour ago
    This article expanded my understanding of the memory industry dramatically.

    For anyone who doesn’t follow the market closely, this is about a good a primer as you could hope for.

  • xinayder20 minutes ago
    Maybe it's time to go back to the time where computers and entertainment were niche and develop efficient resource-constrained devices....

    I hate it that we had decades of progress to have computers become a very expensive hobby because some dudes high on fentanyl think some text prediction model that destroys the planet is worth a trillion dollars.

  • mrandish2 hours ago
    The deep dive on memory market dynamics and the LLM bubble distortion is great. But another cause of declining smart phone sales is simply that the devices have matured and aren't improving at nearly the same rate.

    From 2008 to around 2015, upgrading every two years could make a meaningful difference. From ~2015 to ~2020 upgrading every three years might be worth considering. I just upgraded my top of the line flagship after nearly six years. And I actually looked for compelling reasons to buy a new phone every year since 2023. There just weren't any.

    Frankly, this latest flagship phone is pretty underwhelming. It's slightly faster at a few things. The battery lasts a little longer. The screen can get a little brighter. The camera is supposed to a little better. But those are just the claimed improvements. I haven't actually noticed any of them in daily use because they weren't issues with my 2020 flagship phone either. Otherwise, the new phone is almost exactly the same size, same weight, same resolution, same look and same capabilities. I only upgraded because I was long out of contract and it was a only a couple hundred bucks for a $1400 MSRP phone with a new contract and a trade-in of the old phone.

    • keithnzan hour ago
      Ever since I started working from home I barely use my phone, I just buy a mid range phone, and it seems just as capable as high range phone in most every practical way. The only real thing that seems a bit better is the camera, but I don't actually use it that often. The only thing I've really been a bit tempted by is Lidar on Apple, but more for dev fun that normal practical purposes.
      • krackersan hour ago
        > The only thing I've really been a bit tempted by is Lidar on Apple

        Maybe in that vein, one thing I wish phones would do to differentiate themselves is just add more sensors. I want my phone to be the tricorder from star trek. iPhones should have first party support for generating point clouds and measuring distances using lidar. Their microphones are probably already calibrated, why not expose that as a decibel meter. Same for light sensors. Phones used to have IR emitters, why not add those back in?

        Also the iPhone still only has 240fps slow motion, I've found samsung's 960fps really useful in capturing transient phenomenon or even measuring mundane things like LED flicker.

        Conversely the Pixel seems to be the only one shipping with an IR thermometer, and they'll probably remove it given most people don't seem to care. That's something I would've found useful in ad-hoc situations where I've had to make do with the back of my hand.

        Air quality detection (especially pm2.5, CO2, and CO levels) would be great but I don't know if those sensors can be miniaturized enough to fit.

        • fragmedean hour ago
          They're out there. Caterpillar makes a smartphone with a FLIR camera.
          • rationalist36 minutes ago
            I so wanted one of those, but then when I heard about their poor to non-existent software/OS updates, I stayed away. I'll stick with my USB-C FLIR dongle.

            That's the problem with non-Google and non-Apple phones.

    • stephen_gan hour ago
      Yeah I'm still using an iPhone 12 from late 2020 and it's honestly still fine in terms of its processing power, cameras, features etc. for anything I use it for. It does need a new battery but even that has degraded way slower than earlier phones I've had.

      I was using an iPad Pro from late 2018 (mostly just for casual web browsing, reading documents and watching video on, I still do all my real work on laptop/desktops) as well until this year, and would have kept using it if I hadn't accidentally dropped it in water. I don't really notice much difference at all between my old one (when it worked) and the new iPad Air I replaced it with, except for the battery being a little better and having a bit more ram being nice (websites in background tabs are less likely to be purged from memory when I come back to them).

    • trvzan hour ago
      First, the iPhone 17 Pro is a huge improvement.

      Second, the article doesn’t focus on phones we buy. There won’t be a shortage of those.

      • georgebcrawfordan hour ago
        Improvement in what way and over what previous phone? The parent mentioned a number of metrics.
      • taneqan hour ago
        What does it improve, in practice? For myself, I need my phone to make phone calls, take photos/videos, occasionally run apps, and to be a wifi hotspot. My iPhone 6S did all of these well enough that I only upgraded it recently because I dropped it and bent the power button. My new phone has a slightly nicer camera and better battery life, that’s about it.
        • aboardRat441 minutes ago
          I actually also do not find new phones that much of an improvement, but just to be a devil' advocate:

          1. High-resolution screen, finally approaching paper (600dpi) 2. High-refresh rate screen, up to 240 fps. Once you see 60 fps, you are already hooked, and 240 is just mind-blowing. 3. High-resolution camera, 50 Mpx means that the camera actually starts to match paper (600dpi) 4. Slo-mo camera (240 fps) to match the screen. 5. Decent memory sizes. On my recent 24 Gb size memory I can actually run multiple apps in parallel, and they are not getting killed. You see, using all available memory is a competitive strategy for app developers -- when they use all the memory, their competitors are evicted from RAM and the user is less likely to receive notifications. 6. Decent sdcard size (1Tb). Same reason for the storage. App manufacturers are trying to use all available space, so that you would delete the competitor's apps in order to keep using theirs. 7. HDMI over USB -- finally you can connect a keyboard and a monitor, and get rid of your laptop, just use one device for everything.

  • DaveZale15 minutes ago
    I've been buying a "new" used iphone for $100-150 now, every few years, for over a decade. My "new" used Dell laptop I bought a few months ago for $40 which became a linux system in just an hour. All good here.
  • ls612an hour ago
    I’m really wishing I had overbuilt my NAS last year. As it stands I feel lucky to have even built it at all given I bought all the parts in the last week of September.

    My 4090 and 12900k are gonna have to last till 2029 at this rate won’t they…

    • rationalist33 minutes ago
      Won't processors come down in price because people are buying less of them because people are buying less computers because of higher RAM prices?

      I've heard that is happening for motherboards.

      • ls61220 minutes ago
        I’m not gonna build new until I can get a GPU and RAM as well lol. That’s gonna be a few years for sure.
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