132 pointsby speckx7 hours ago9 comments
  • saint117 minutes ago
    I've been using Kagi for a while now and I'm never going back to Google. Everything is just so much better when you are not the product.
  • damnesian6 hours ago
    I know it's a completely different thing- but the neurodiverse face similar struggles of having to wade through reams of completely superfluous content to get to anything usuable.

    Having done plenty of text to speech testing of my own website, I've never thought to turn it onto a Google search results page. It's abysmal.

    Of course Google is an accessibility nightmare.

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  • Marsymars3 hours ago
    I don't have low vision (yet), but do a fair amount of my reading sitting ~3m from a 65" screen, and I gotta say, the UI of this blog is lovely for that.
  • payphonefiend2 hours ago
    Observation on the author's site: it's cool you can tell their site is designed for them by them, or other people with low vision. big font, high contrast, etc...
    • slopinthebag4 minutes ago
      It's also nice for everyone. Like, very readable, pleasant, way better than the trendy modern designs.
  • equasar3 hours ago
    the thing I really miss when I use magic, is recommended places from Google maps, where to watch certain movie/series, a lot of things like that, where you can infer recommendations based on your location. Kagi might be good to filter everything scored "bad", but makes you work more.
    • freediver3 hours ago
      We have a big overhaul of Kagi Maps coming, stay tuned :)
  • ajyoon2 hours ago
    Kagi is the one and only product I will ever stan
  • tonypapousek4 hours ago
    The custom css is tight, love using inky blacks on my oled devices with just a single style sheet.
  • tamimio2 hours ago
    Kagi is one of the few services that I will never use, it’s a privacy nightmare. Imagine all your search history are tied to one account, an account that id you with your payment information, and is hosted in the US? Google is better at this point, at least you can use it without an account.
    • al_borland5 minutes ago
      They don’t store search history linked to accounts. Logs are only retained for 7-90 days[0].

      You can pay anonymously[1]. You can also authenticate anonymously, as someone else already mentioned.

      Meanwhile Google retains everything forever and does everything in their power to track everything you do across the web and tie it back to you, logged in or not. This is their entire business model.

      [0] https://help.kagi.com/kagi/faq/faq.html#why-trust

      [1] https://blog.kagi.com/accepting-paypal-bitcoin

    • MostlyStable2 hours ago
      • tamimio2 hours ago
        Is it open source? Audited? It is like back to how vpn services try to establish some sort of a trust relationship, which imo is more dangerous to have a false sense of trust than none, I prefer no trust at all, zero trust, especially when the service is SaaS in the US.
        • MostlyStable2 hours ago
          Man, if only the article I had posted had answered those questions. That sure would be nice

          https://blog.kagi.com/kagi-privacy-pass

          https://github.com/kagisearch/privacypass-extension

          https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43040521

          Yes and yes, since you you apparently aren't capable of reading for yourself

          -edit- I decided I didn't like the tenor of the comments I made. This tone serves nothing but to degrade the quality of online discourse so I will say this:

          I don't personally have the technical chops to verify the claims that Kagi is making. And no one should blindly trust the statements of faceless companies. For me personally, the claims, discussion in the linked hacker news post, and the direction of Kagi's economic incentives are enough to satisfy me personally. Nothing says that someone else must be satisfied by that level of evidence, which is definitely not proof positive. However, I also very strongly believe that the level of paranoia that it takes to decide that all of that is not enough would also 100% disbar one from using google, even without an account. I do not think that one can honestly say that, with the evidence we have on hand, that Kagi is less privacy protecting that google. They may not be privacy protecting enough, whatever standard that is for someone, but they are absolutely doing more than google.

          • tamimioan hour ago
            Great, Can I host it? A memory injection server side exploit can leak/track/ID any person of interest. This is Signal server way all over again. If I can host it, AND the payments in something like monero for the server that aggregates the queries, we have the foundation of privacy, not perfect as there are a lot of other stuff to go through, but good starting point.
            • thallium2054 minutes ago
              So you think being logged out of Google will keep you more anonymous than this Kagi Privacy Pass setup?
        • promiseofbeans2 hours ago
          It should also work with the Cloudflare privacy pass extension [0] FWIW, since Kagi just implemented RFC 9576 [1]

          [0]: https://blog.cloudflare.com/privacy-pass-standard/

          [1]: https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc9576

    • somat29 minutes ago
      So make a new account every once in a while if you are that paranoid. The whole value proposition of kagi is that it moves you from being the product(eyeballs for ads) to the customer of a product(search results) This flips the incentive of the search provider from abusing you to serving you. Hard to say if it actually will work. But I applaud kagi for trying.

      And it is not like you marry kagi and once you sign up you can never use another search engine again.

    • Skunkleton2 hours ago
      You must be joking. Google ties all of your searches to you wether you log in or not.
      • tamimio2 hours ago
        I’m certainly not joking. Google when it started it wasn’t as evil as now, but the bigger it gets the more evil it becomes, who knows what kagi will turn into if they got as big as google. But again on principle, can you use google search in the library without an account? Yes. Can you use kagi in the library without an account? No. So whenever and whatever you do, your queries are logged and tracked back to you, only waiting for xyz to be pulled out.
        • acdha2 hours ago
          Google still lets you do some things without logging in but that doesn’t mean that they don’t build profiles or try to link them with other activity sources. Most of their revenue comes from advertisers paying for targeting.
  • jacobmarble4 hours ago
    One more reason to love Kagi Search.