18 pointsby geox6 hours ago8 comments
  • purkka5 hours ago
    90% of 30% of total energy use. So, actually 27%. What a title.
  • gblargg5 hours ago
    > Due to a phenomenon known as Joule heating – an unavoidable consequence of how they operate at a fundamental level – chips dissipate almost exactly the amount of power they consume as heat.

    I don't think you'll ever make a chip not dissipate as heat the energy you feed into it for operation. Where else would it go?

    • kilobaud4 hours ago
      I think the main idea is that MOSFET chips don’t sink or source much current on their own (“fundamental” seeming to mean the way that current does not propagate into the gates, and most designs only really draw current during transitions)

      OTOH some chips (amplifiers for example) may indeed have current flowing through them and therefore the power consumption of the “chip” would equal the sum of heat loss and output power. At least that’s my interpretation of the framing “how they operate at a fundamental level”. I could be wrong too, I’m not a working EE

    • oakwhiz5 hours ago
      It could go into the information directly. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landauer%27s_principle
    • addaon3 hours ago
      LEDs are chips; some of the energy goes to light (which will be heat eventually, but not necessarily locally). Some chips also have measurable piezo effects, turning some energy into sound. And of course various data storage technologies (eg floating gate flash) have higher potential energy in one state than the other, so write operations may take more energy than is converted to heat.
  • functionmouse5 hours ago
    We should block all stories with "could" in the headline; "could" implies conjecture - not news.
  • jnellis5 hours ago
    I heard copper is better an transferring heat but aluminum is better at RELEASING heat via airflow. Hence you see copper tubes on cpu coolers that terminate in aluminum fins.
    • vitally3643an hour ago
      The capacity of an object to radiate heat has essentially nothing to do with material properties. The equation is entirely dominated by surface area and nothing else. It is purely a matter of geometry. Which is why we use aluminum: it's cheaper and its lower thermal conductivity is pretty much irrelevant.
    • miahi5 hours ago
      Not really. They use aluminum fins because they are way lighter and cheaper. The copper tubes are actually heat pipes that transfer the heat through liquid/vapor phase change. And copper is used because the liquid inside is water (aluminum would corrode) and they are also easier to bend into shape (aluminum fatigues easier with bends, and pores would allow the liquid to escape).
  • miahi5 hours ago
    In the energy results they are comparing their novel water block cold plate against an air cooled facility, not against a similar water-cooled facility.
  • aetherson5 hours ago
    Copper is expensive, and the manufacturing process sounds finicky.
  • roesel5 hours ago
    Until the micro/nano-patterned surface gets dirty at least.