231 pointsby bauc5 days ago26 comments
  • waltbosz5 days ago
    I first read about tree shaping in a Readers Digest magazine in the 1990s. It featured a man who would shapes trees into chairs and other sculptures. Even since then I wanted to do it. I got started on a white cherry tree that started growing in my yard. Once it got large enough, I would braid and weave the branches every spring.

    I didn't do anything as complicated as a chair. I would try to create loops by braiding two distant branches into each other and fastening with wire. Or I would take a long branch, and bend it back to the trunk, and braid it into a branch heading in the opposite direction.

    The most difficult thing was not accidentally breaking the branches while braiding. Sometimes strong winds would create too much tension on the already stressed branches and cause them to break.

    I did that for about 5 years before I sold that house. The tree is still there last time I checked, but I haven't gotten a close look at how it has progressed.

    At my new house, I've tried it with a red maple, but haven't had much success. The branches that I've shaped end up dying.

    Sharing this story makes me want to take up the hobby again. I've got some fast growing trees at my current house that I could use.

    Edit: here is a photo of my tree (if you can abide imgur) https://imgur.com/a/PjwqWzo

    • yummypaint5 days ago
      I have dozens of volunteer red maple trees about shoulder to head height in my yard. I have been trying to find information about training them at this size. Do bonsai methods for Japanese maples work? Can two red maples be joined together to make an arch? I need to learn more about plants
      • waltbosz5 days ago
        I believe Japanese maple are a popular bonsai plant. I've never seen one as an arch. I have seen Chrysanthemum bonsai made into a small arch.
    • DigiEggz5 days ago
      That's really cool and I wish you success on future braiding attempts. If you keep trying at it I'm sure you'll find or pioneer some ways to avoid damage.
  • noworriesnate5 days ago
    This field is called Tree Shaping[1] and while it has been tried throughout history, I think there's still a lot of cool stuff that has never been tried.

    [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_shaping

  • Jedd5 days ago
    Couple of Australians have been doing this since the 90's - I think they coined the term 'pooktre' to describe the form - https://www.pooktre.com/

    Searching `Peter Cook Becky Northey tree furniture` gets you some nice pictures of their work, as they don't just 'do chair' -- though I suspect plenty of people have been doing this in various forms for centuries.

  • lukan5 days ago
    I don't have a picture at hand, but on frequently used rock climbing spots, the young trees at the bottom, where the partner with the rope stands, can be very chairlike, too. I once asked myself why are they so conveniently formed, while leaning against one, but then I got it.
    • constantius5 days ago
      I had to re-read your comment, even thought it was a joke I didn't get! So for others who are as tired as me: the people holding the rope kept leaning against the tree for support, but not too much, as long as it existed, so that's how the tree got shaped into a chair.
  • applicative5 days ago
    Weaving saplings and coppice sprouts and growing them in place is incredibly ancient, maybe neolithic. Julius Caesar was freaked out by the living woven defenses of the Nervi in Gaul. In general the deeper you go into the past the more people were aware of the possibilities of sprouting wood, coppicing, etc.
  • xnorswap5 days ago
    I've seen this couple discussed on HN before, although my searching abilities are failing me, I just found https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21051965 which is the same couple, but with 3 points and 1 comment, isn't likely to be the discussion I remember.

    There's also https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9344837 4 points 11 years ago, although the link is dead.

  • halfnormalform5 days ago
    In Northern California there’s a small amusement park that has several of these. Haven’t been, but it’s on my list. https://www.gilroygardens.org/circus-trees/
    • BashiBazouk5 days ago
      They are really cool. I went to see these trees as a teenager when they were in Scotts Valley. From the images, they have grown a bit in the decades since...
    • hn_acc15 days ago
      They are quite amazing to see.
  • travisgriggs5 days ago
    There will rise a PETA like organization that will protest this. Probably call themselves the Lorax and protest that we're practicing colonialism on plants now.

    All satire aside... this is pretty cool. And so are groups that look out for the little guy.

    • perilunar4 days ago
      PETPEEV — People for Ethical Treatment of Plants, Ecosystems, and Vegetation
  • johnea4 days ago
    Isn't that cute.

    I've been thinking since the 1970s that we'd decrease the 2nd biggest use of petroleum, plastic, using genetic engineering.

    Many biological substances could replace plastic, such as chitin and cellulose.

    But "lab grown meat", like "full self driving" and "artificial intelligence", is a name that's a giant leap of faith beyond the actual technology.

    Lab grown meat is still only the flesh protean cells grown in a mold to look like a fish fillet. None of the structural components of the real thing are reproduced.

    To use this tech as a structural plastic replacement, we'll have to reach the point of controlling the shape of the material as the cells proliferate.

    Of course, before that, we'll have to overthrow the petro mafia's control of the US.

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  • euroderf5 days ago
    An issue of WET magazine (from the 1980s) profiled a similar operation. Always beautiful to see.
  • analog83745 days ago
    What species of tree is good for this?

    relatively durable

    relatively fast growing and amenable to bending and grafting

    willow?

    anybody ID those trees?

    • tedd4u5 days ago
      From the article: "The couple, who work with a range of trees including willow, oak and ash, said there were currently "a few dozen" growing pieces in their orchard, including stools, benches and "the odd chandelier" in progress."
      • analog83745 days ago
        an oak chair would take forever

        I wonder if this could be done with bamboo.

        Can you graft bamboo? Maybe join it by weaving or twisting

        • shmeeed5 days ago
          Your comment made me think of those helix-shaped bamboos from IKEA. While this is of course on a whole different level, it does suggest some kind of shaping is possible for bamboo as well. And it wouldn't take decades...
          • coryrc5 days ago
            "Lucky bamboo" is actually a lily.
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            • shmeeed5 days ago
              Akshually, it's an asparagus - dracaena sanderiana (or, usually erroneously, - braunii).

              Thanks for inspiring me to look it up! I'm gonna have so much fun at the next party :D

          • dekhn5 days ago
            Probably rattan, not bamboo.
            • shmeeed5 days ago
              See my other comment - it's neither bamboo nor rattan, but a kind of asparagus.
              • dekhn5 days ago
                Ah, I was thinking of the rattan chairs, some of which are woven into patterns although I don't see any helices.
    • thrownthatway5 days ago
      Camphor Laurel (Camphora officinarum) in ideal conditions, and for a patient individual, can be observed to grow.

      I don’t only if it’s suitable for this particular application, and it’s considered a noxious weed in Australia.

  • benced5 days ago
    I'm sure he copied it from somewhere but this reminds me of Paolini's elves in Eragon singing (magicking) trees to their desired shape.
  • maheenaslam5 days ago
    Your patience and creativity is incredible. I wish someone doesn't ruin it in the name of finding a modern fast pace solution
  • shevy-java5 days ago
    On the one hand this is pretty cool.

    On the other hand ... those chairs look damn incomplete. Even the supposedly "finished" ones ...

  • chancek5 days ago
    I love the idea, reminds me a lot of gardening and growing fruits in special containers.
  • abhi_kr5 days ago
    I thought the title was some kind of metaphor. Quite surprised at being a literal thing.
  • nodeflare5 days ago
    This feels closer to structural design using living organisms rather than architecture.
  • AltruisticGapHN5 days ago
    Talk about patience...
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  • uolmir5 days ago
    So elves in dwarf fortress.
  • tempodox5 days ago
    Are they ergonomic?
    • lantry5 days ago
      They're agronomic
  • cocothem5 days ago
    Seems cruel towards the trees, for human enjoyment
  • dyauspitr5 days ago
    I think these are very beautiful.
  • lofaszvanitt5 days ago
    Imagine an alien species comes here and sees all this totally fucked up human centric thinking. They put fish in small fish bowls, for their own enjoyment. They deform trees for their own enjoyment... and the list goes on. Bleh.
    • wing-_-nuts5 days ago
      I assure you, any species capable of interstellar travel will have a capacity and willingness to bend their environment to their will that absolutely dwarfs our own.
      • lofaszvanitt5 days ago
        Assuring me, based on what experience? :D
      • dmos625 days ago
        Capacity and willingness are orthogonal.
    • TFNA5 days ago
      Why do you think they would be so bothered by what humans do, when the same kind of thing is done across the animal world? Read about ants milking aphids, for instance.
      • lofaszvanitt5 days ago
        That's a mutual thing since ants give them protection.
        • TFNA5 days ago
          The topic here is a mutual thing, too. You can see that people sculpting trees are keeping the tree alive when it might otherwise be cut down. Possibly taking pains to ensure it gets enough water, too. After all, the sculpting process relies on the tree continuing to grow.
          • lofaszvanitt4 days ago
            They wouldn't have grown the tree if they couldn't somehow control it. The control aspect brings forth the need to grow a tree.
  • seobot_dk12895 days ago
    [dead]
  • oytis5 days ago
    Carpentry is dead
    • analog83745 days ago
      The trees are taking our jobs
      • luqtas5 days ago
        GMO seeds from OpenTree