44 pointsby RyeCombinator5 hours ago6 comments
  • sarabandean hour ago
    It would be helpful to show n. speakers of those languages or at least grade based on % of remaining non-English, non-Spanish speakers.

    My intuition is that German, for example, is much less active of a language in the US, where immigration peaked long ago, than Chinese, where immigration is active.

    • bmn__33 minutes ago
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  • niek_pasan hour ago
    What in the world is “other native” supposed to mean? Those languages don’t have names?
  • autunian hour ago
    that's a lot more German than I would have guessed
  • guidedlight2 hours ago
    You know there are 34 countries in America other than the United States.
    • titanomachyan hour ago
      You are welcome to remind people of this, but don’t expect that you’ll change anyone’s habits on an English-speaking USA-based forum.
      • defrostan hour ago
        The USAians are largely seemingly already convinced the name of their country starts with an A, those that live elsewhere generally have better geography chops, so you're correct - it's unlikely any minds will change.
  • razorbeamz3 hours ago
    Very surprised Navajo is so strong.
    • adzm2 hours ago
      Makes sense considering the Navajo Nation in those states though
  • xhevahir2 hours ago
    > Chinese (Mandarin/Cantonese)

    This is enough to discredit the whole infographic in my eyes. No matter what the CPC or anybody else may claim, these are distinct languages, and not dialects. Not only that, but in some of these places a lot of Chinese speak other regional Chinese languages, such as Fuzhounese, rather than Mandarin or Cantonese. (I remember a blog from twenty or so years ago by a NYC Chinatown native who mapped his building by language; something like a dozen Chinese languages were spoken by residents of that building's apartments.)

    • bloak2 hours ago
      The thing you're complaining about doesn't even mention the word "dialect" and it says underneath: "Some Census categories combine multiple languages or language groups". So they're probably just doing the best they can with the data that is available to them.

      I think you're right that Cantonese should be (and usually is) referred to as a "language" but the categories "dialect" and "language" are not mutually exclusive. For example, Dutch is both a language (for most purposes) and a dialect of West Continental Germanic (for some linguistic purposes).

    • cyberrock44 minutes ago
      While I land on agreeing that finer language data should be collected anonymously, I think you may be too quick to view the motivations through a modern geopolitical lens. Historically Chinese American have had bigger domestic issues than this. Just a decade ago, Asian Americans in Massachusetts protested bill H3361 out of fear that finer census data would be used improperly.
    • make32 hours ago
      the point is to give an idea of the approximate region that people come from, not to give a professionally accurate linguistic picture
      • andsoitis2 hours ago
        Mandarin and Cantonese are distinct, mutually unintelligible languages that sound as different to each other as Spanish and French.
        • bloakan hour ago
          Cantonese is a language, yes, but mutual intelligibility and similarity to other languages is hardly relevant unless the languages are very similar indeed.

          For example, there are spoken varieties of English that are mutually unintelligible, while speakers of different Slavic languages are often capable of having a good conversation by speaking slowly and listening carefully.

          In practice the main criterion for being a language as opposed to a continuum of dialects is the degree of standardisation. So an example of something that may or may not be a language might be something like Swiss German (but I'm not an expert so I can't guarantee that's a good example). Another type of borderline case is when you have two standardised languages which differ only slightly, for example US English and GB English, or DE German and AT German.

        • make325 minutes ago
          it's about cultural relatedness from a Western centric pov, not language