74 pointsby fredski423 hours ago12 comments
  • jupiterelastica2 hours ago
    With the risk of sounding naive: How come this post is flagged?

    Reading the guidelines I can't see how this is off-topic or does _not_ "[gratify] one's intellectual curiosity."

    Edit: spelling

    • maratcan hour ago
      I guess it falls under "Off-Topic: Most stories about politics".
    • krappan hour ago
      Nothing related to "politics" regardless of its context, content or importance, is seen to "gratify intellectual curiosity" here. Practically all "political" content is considered categorically off topic and flagged by the community unless it has some obvious technical dimension to discuss (and even then it's touchy, depending on the headline.)

      Yes that is technically against the guidelines, no, they don't care, nor will they stop.

      Welcome to Hacker News. Blood in the streets doesn't spark curious conversation so let's talk about compilers!

      • ngruhnan hour ago
        > Welcome to Hacker News. Blood in the streets doesn't spark curious conversation so let's talk about compilers!

        Probably for the better. Otherwise it quickly becomes politics all day everyday. There are plenty of other places where you can get that already.

        • krapp44 minutes ago
          >Otherwise it quickly becomes politics all day everyday.

          No, it doesn't. This is one of Hacker News' weird phobias but it doesn't reflect reality. I know the mods believe it too so there's no point in debating it but even Reddit isn't politics all day every day. The nature of the community here is a self-correcting mechanism. This thread is not a flamewar, the posted article isn't low quality (certainly not on a forum where posting Twitter posts and Wikipedia articles is allowed,) and it poses literally no threat to the community, but HN still treats it like a cancer.

          • maratc30 minutes ago
            > The nature of the community here is a self-correcting mechanism.

            It looks like the community has deployed its self-correcting mechanism in this case.

      • karmakurtisaanian hour ago
        This, and the good old "The Torment Nexus is now complete and operational, check out the cool tech they used to muffle out the screaming!"
    • ruicraveiro2 hours ago
      My thoughts exactly.
    • g-b-ran hour ago
      And it's not even possible to vouch fot it
      • WithinReasonan hour ago
        It's not possible to vouch for articles that are not dead
      • krappan hour ago
        If you could, you would just lose vouching privileges.
  • stephbook2 hours ago
    The Führerkult also has a problematic conclusion: Everything needs to happen during the Führer's lifetime, for only he can restore the nation.

    That's obviously a problem when your Führer is 80+ years old and overweight.

    It means the Führer will try and fix everything as soon as possible.

  • bzzzt2 hours ago
    Seems like a needed rehash of Eco's article about "ur-fascism" https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1995/06/22/ur-fascism/

    Also, don't get the [flagged]. For what it's worth: Rutger Bregman is a historian and best-selling writer from the Netherlands. While you don't have to agree with everything he says most is thought provoking at least.

  • drdrek2 hours ago
    It's funny how much democracies with free speech are always self critical with rampant doom saying while actual autocracies that crack down on this kind of speech are quiet and content when economic times are good only really cracking at the seams during distress.

    I know its a healthy part of democracy but it is very draining.

  • klamann2 hours ago
    As a German, I started wondering if every nation has to experience a fascist catastrophe on its own, before a majority agrees that a fascist takeover is possible at home (surely the peoples who failed to stop all the other fascist regimes were just dumb). Then again, 30% of German voters would vote for the fascist AfD party today, so there's that...

    I agree with the premise of the article wholeheartedly. Minor nitpick:

    > The German dynasties behind Porsche, Volkswagen and BMW pretty much merged with the Nazi regeime.

    Volkswagen was founded by the Nazi regime after they have already taken over. While support by car companies was relevant, there were far more important supporters of the war effort in the chemical and steel industry.

  • ngruhn3 hours ago
    The parallels to the rise of Nazi Germany are striking. But it can be much worse. Read "February 1933" if you want to get a feel. Pretty much daily reports of people getting killed in clashes between Nazis and Communists. Hitler almost immediately suspends right to assemble, free speech etc, and orders police to kill dissidents on sight. Prominent artists and journalists are getting arrested or are fleeing the country. All of that within a month of Hitler taking power.

    There is still hope for the US. The press is still critical, the opposition is not arrested, the courts are still giving push back, and it's not civil war level violence.

    • smt883 hours ago
      The midterms will be a landslide if allowed to run fairly.

      Trump’s response to that landslide will tell us whether there’s hope.

      I don’t expect Civil War levels of violence because the country is mostly united in its hatred of how the GOP is running it. No large group of people will pick up arms to support Trump’s right to invade countries and ruin the economy.

      • reactordev2 hours ago
        The National Guard may end up having a decision of a lifetime
      • thrancean hour ago
        > The midterms will be a landslide if allowed to run fairly.

        SCOTUS just repelled the "voting rights" part of the civil rights acts, allowing states to gerrymander the black vote out. Which all red states immediately did. The midterms already won't be fair, and it can get worse until then.

        > the country is mostly united in its hatred of how the GOP is running it.

        It really isn't, 30% of the country is still diehard MAGA. They may be disappointed about the results (or lack thereof), but nothing will make them reconsider their support for Trump. And these people have disproportionately more firearms than the rest of the population.

      • exceptione2 hours ago
        Disclaimer: I don't want to make people despair nor do I want to install fatalism. People should take action, no matter the bad chances.

          > if allowed to run fairly.
          > Trump’s response to that landslide will tell us whether there’s hope.
        
        The fairly part is already out of the window, we have had the fake bomb threats at the polling stations. But as you have seen in Hungary, an autocrat has to fear a mass revolt. So an outsized signal can still make it through, despite the rigged elections.

        But that isn't even the most important part. Imagine the Dems win next round. What then? I have the impression that the Americans do not fully grasp the structural damage that has been done. The Dems won't be able to clean up the mess that the conservatives had left them as they have been doing traditionally. This time the US is highly isolated, the economy is under severe threat from the GOPs own doing; Iran, almost unlimited lawless access to European markets (contrary to popular belief) for the tech oligarchy, institutional knowledge gone, soft power gone.

        Also imagine throwing the owners of fake news blasters like Fox News in jail, would you think that would be possible? When an outsized portion of the populace think this is Free Press, there is a cultural problem that prevents root causes to be dealt with. The commercial apparatus is necessary for "flooding the zone", but doesn't function as the Fourth Estate, a required function the general population would not even know about.

        The Heritage Foundation at alii have a large time horizon, they have been working on overthrowing democracy for decades. The asymmetry of having no regards for the rule of the law versus having to follow it is another disadvantage for the Dems. It is a seduction to join the dark side, to let the Dems play the game the other party is good at.

        The Dems are setup for failure; they need a bizarre effort to overcome the structural damage and the corporate occupation of culture. Notwithstanding the neoliberal factions inside, which are equivalent to the "GOP of older times sliding into autocracy but not there yet". The GOP is bad, but I don't want to portray the Dems as 100% good, on the contrary. The Democratic Party is a big tent, and should rather be broken up in different parties, so Americans have something to choose from actually.

        In short: people should not hope that the other party will fix their problems; they should start to question themselves, the cultural beliefs they have been fed and most importantly, they need to understand their own and their peers role in this mess. The change should come from bottom up, grassroots style.

  • DavidPiper2 hours ago
    Another opportunity to recommend "They Thought They Were Free: The Germans 1933-45" by Milton Mayer. The audiobook is great too.

    A critical but empathetic look at how fascism rises and spreads through, and alongside, ordinary people in ordinary society. Excellent book, incredibly relevant.

    An excerpt, if you don't want to commit to the whole thing: https://press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/511928.html

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  • GardenLetter272 hours ago
    Real fascists like Pinochet and Videla murdered thousands of innocent people.

    The USA is not even close to that - massacres in football stadiums, students thrown from helicopters into the ocean, entire villages burned alive in Belarus, etc.

    • jampekka2 hours ago
      Not all authoritarian regimes are fascist. Pinochet and Videla regimes were more military juntas and bureaucratic-authoritarian states.
    • cryo322 hours ago
      I wasn’t aware fascism was defined by a body count.
    • vkou2 hours ago
      Pinochet didn't start by murdering thousands of people on day one.

      It takes time and work to dismantle every part of the system that will stop you from doing that. Less time in weak democracies, more time in stronger ones.

      The republican party is currently doing it's traitorous best to turn Trump into an above-the-law-king, and to turn the country into a place where nobody could stop him from doing that. Every one of them is complicit.

  • fenix18513 hours ago
    Wonder how many times i saw this article with different countries…
    • smt883 hours ago
      Which countries? Can you be specific about two or three of them?

      And what point are you trying to make?

    • vkou2 hours ago
      Which ones? Russia and what else?
    • wartywhoa233 hours ago
      The fascism is worldwide now.
    • aswegs82 hours ago
      Reddit-style spin posts leaking into HN.