In February, longtime CEO Michael Crandell moved to an advisory role, according to LinkedIn, with no announcement from the company. His replacement, Michael Sullivan, former CEO of both Acquia and Insightsoftware, touts his experience with “all facets of mergers and acquisitions” on his own LinkedIn page, including experience working with leading private equity firms.
In combination with downplaying the free plan and removing any hint of now politically unfashionable DEI-like language, what this screams to me is: Bitwarden is being prepped for a sale.
LogMeIn buys Lastpass, multiple massive breaches occur[, people move to Bitwarden].
if bitwarden is acquired and the new owner decides an open source version of their product is not a business necessity, without someone actively supporting the salaries of engineers it’s unlikely to continue to be secure for much longer.
You’re acting like this isn’t the case already with vaultwarden? (and it’s easier to host as well, making for easier updates) https://github.com/dani-garcia/vaultwarden/releases
And how is that relevant, either way?
Years ago I used a free workout app that I really liked. After a few months of using it I recommended it to friends. I only much later found out that I was on a grandfathered version of the free plan without ads or restrictions. The company had made changes to the free plan since I joined, and all new accounts (like my friends) were subject to ads and restrictions.
It was embarrassing to have unknowingly recommending something like that.
(That said, I am also concerned about the direction Bitwarden is taking. I just think this shows that even OSS projects can have direction/rugpull issues.)
I pay for a service for my family because I need reliable and easy for my wife and daughter to use it.
- KeePass files synced between laptop and phone on OneDrive, DropBox, etc
- KeePassXC on Windows and Mac
- Keepass2Android mobile client
- Browser integration on mobile.
- On laptop, I prefer no browser integration; Copy username and password with Ctrl+B and Ctrl+CWhat I stopped doing so frequently could be described as "evangelizing" or "endorsing". I no longer actively tell people that I think they should use X, instead, if someone asks, I say "I use X, and it's worked for me so far".
Unhackable. Yours forever.
Use words based passwords to make entry easier.
Suffers from physical presence security hacks. I argue those are far less frequent than online hacks.
Wouldn’t recommend for people who are comfortable with Password managers.
It is super easy to explain to people how to use it. And some security is better than none.
Whats to say this will still be true if the company gets sold?
Apple and Google being the gatekeepers for all mobile app distribution is a real pain point. Without the clout of a big brand name the risk of being unable to distribute apps goes up.
If they went this path I think I would jump ship to a paid service.
Then you could say well Vaultwarden will work with these forked clients, but then you are placing your security into the hands of multiple different open source maintainers and vaultwarden then has nothing to do with Bitwarden and becomes some random back end + some random 3rds party clients.
IMO that fact that the existing Vaultwarden system relies on Bitwarden clients and therefore caries Bitwardens secure reputation is its main selling point. Take that away and Vaultwarden is nothing more than some random back end software that can not really be trusted.
I hope that this could be a starting point and not an end-point of Vaultwarden. It has gotten far on the shoulders of the Bitwarden giant. If it forked, would it have a large enough community to continue to carry that trust forward (including building new clients)? How much financial support would they need? Could they find a sponsor? It's a European project -- would the EU help fund it as a data sovereignty push?
Why not? The most important security bits are implemented client-side which is developed by Bitwarden. If the clients are secure then my database is safe even if Vaultwarden turns out to be evil.
Switching from Bitwarden Client to Vaultwarden Client would require about 3 orders of magnitude more trust than switching the server which primarily deals with encrypted blobs. If the client turns out to be malicious then it's game over.
People stake their own personal reputations behind their recommendations. I don't think quietly changing the product without warning is doing right by their early adopters.
This new CEO is a massive red flag. Literally nothing about anything relevant to the product or industry, though he's apparently good at private equity and selling orgs.
Probably worth jumping ship now before it mutates into another shitty corporate org, except this one is keeping your passwords.
But I’ll probably have to rethink recommending it to people, since any type of friction is seriously harmful here.
All those people who paid half a mil on education must appear useful at the expense of us all!
The audit confirmed Proton Pass security is exceptionally robust:
- No remote exploits found: Users cannot be hacked simply by visiting a malicious website or clicking a link.
- No encryption bypasses identified: Attackers can’t use shortcuts, backdoors, or weak keys to bypass the encryption layer.
Take it for what it's worth.
I wasn’t paying for the code tbh, I could always self-host (VaultWarden) at home behind Tailscale, it was all about the management, uptime, and most importantly, supporting a good software I used and loved for years.
Sad, really.
I’ll either move to self-hosting it at home behind TS, or going back to keepass tbh, anyway, I’m not staying on a sinking ship.
P.S: VaultWarden had a few bad CVEs this year (like an Auth Bypass), but when I looked deeper, it wouldn’t have much of a negative effect on me as a self-hosted home user that shares everything with family.
I'm pretty sure I have never cared about what values a company listed on its careers page, unless I am considering working there.
But, the main developer of works at Bitwarden.
Thankfully you can easily export your passwords and move to another system (unlike say Authy where we had to inject Javascript to extract the TOTP seeds).
Separately, I don't know if there is a self-hostable password manager which allows easy family sharing. (KeepassXC won't work, I believe, because the whole vault is a single file.)
The cherry on the shit cake is that they did not give me any heads up at all. Quite sad. Bitwarden has been consistently one of the best pieces of softwares I have ever used. Simple, just does what it does and gets out of the way.
Sad really ...
I'm moderately decent at self hosting. I'm fairly confident in my backups and security.
But also, I am not a system backup nor security expert, and I don't want to become either.
The one last thing that I really want to leave to the experts is my secrets management.
However, I'm extremely reluctant to give my password database hosting to ANYONE. I feel like this is something I need to "own" myself. Perhaps on Coolify, Dokploy, or on a Raspberry Pi with regular backups hosted at my home or office. This is extra work that I'm not eager to do; and frankly, it goes against my philosophy of outsourcing "commodity" work to which I'm ill-equipped to add substantial value.
On the other hand, password managers are the most sensitive software I can imagine.
Lastly, Sharing passwords with my wife, coworkers, etc is genuinely very valuable. Either of us can update, maintain etc our shared set of passwords. Last I looked, Keepass and its ilk cannot replace that functionality
My worry however is about the future - what if a core functionality goes behind a paywall.
I use Vaultwarden right now. Part of the reason was that I wanted something where there was a minimum guarantee. In the case of Vaultwarden, I can always fall back to the web interface if needed. It wouldn't be convenient, but it guarantees no one can take away my password vault.
I really hate the per user per feature per byte per year pricing structure that everything has morphed into. I don't mind paying something for good software that I rely on, but having everything locked down and controlled by a 3rd party with continually increasing subscription fees is terrible.
I've worked in the small business space my whole life and it's being destroyed. Private investors are buying everything. I'm talking about owning all the small businesses of certain types; family doctors, dentists, optometrists, vets etc. seem to be the big target. It's terrifying and most people don't even realize it.
It's very sad to see core values that turn out to be lies. Always free is a tough spot to be in, but these companies could absolutely use a better business model that doesn't kill small businesses. And, based on what I see, increasing IT costs are killing small businesses.
What we need in the small business space is a tier of services where small businesses can self host using their own on-premise, vertically scalable infrastructure (ie: 1 server). In most cases they can tolerate some downtime and, even if they don't want to, a lack of resources usually means they don't have a choice (ex: they're not running HA network connections).
Businesses with <10-20 employees are often viewed as not being worth the effort of having as a customer, so they end up with self-serve, unsupported, non-discounted, over priced, trash subscriptions. By the time they grow enough to be a valuable customer their only experience with some products is misery.
I wish I could set up small businesses with self-hosted infrastructure that can't be rug pulled while they're still small with an easy upgrade path into a hosted service if/when they grow.
The writing on the wall seems to have been when they suddenly doubled the price of a yearly subscription without notifying anyone. That struck me as skeezy as **...looks like it may just be the beginning.
I hope people are actively mirroring their GH repos, because I expect at some point they might suddenly decide to change the license to Proprietary and move to scrub the repos from the web. At which point, the community will then fork the last-free version and start to maintain a fork.
Which I really don't want to see happen, because having to move all my shit for myself and my family again after the LastPass debacle is going to be an extraordinary headache.
On password managers, anyone using ProtonPass want to chime in on how it is? I’ve read online that Proton (as a company) has a tendency to start working on new things all the time and let the ones they created remain half baked and languishing (to some extent).
I’m not into KeePass and other local password managers since I need a shared solution for multiple people using the same vault.
whenever i need any new feature, i just add it.
Just use KeePass.
I use a self hosted Nextcloud, but you don't have to.
KeePassXC allows you to automate opening a database from the URL column. My family and I share a second database and open it from there, but it's super kludgy on any other device.
Obviously predictable. Bitwarden is now in the extraction phase and it is now time to pay an expensive...
...$1.65 a month.
It's not like Bitwarden is giving away their product without getting anything in return: The free users (tech-savy early adopters) were the ones that pitched Bitwarden to their bosses when they were looking for a password solution for their company. It's really no different than Adobe or other companies giving away student licences. Companies are not stupid.
if the company can't keep the promises, then maybe they shouldn't make them in the first place?