107 pointsby surprisetalk4 hours ago23 comments
  • keeda2 hours ago
    Missed opportunity to call this a "Phil-Anthropic" partnership. The word doesn't appear once in TFA. Highly disappointed.

    Seeing some of the comments here speculating about ulterior motives, I'd like to say there are probably none other than the usual (goodwill, publicity, taxes, etc.) A little known aspect of the Gates Foundation finances, their problem really isn't getting more money. Their biggest problem is spending their money faster than it grows.

    • motbus34 minutes ago
      It would need to be Bill-anthropic which somehow sounds much like it
    • summarybot2 minutes ago
      Who's phil?
    • atonse42 minutes ago
      > Their biggest problem is spending their money faster than it grows.

      Yep this is an interesting thing that most of us don't tend to think about when it comes to philanthropy (or even gov spending) ... it's really really hard to _spend_ money effectively.

      Because there's all the work around accountability, checking for fraudulent applications, checking if your money made an impact, deciding where to even focus, all those things.

    • snickerbockers5 minutes ago
      Agreed, I imagine it's been a lot harder for bill to offload all that excess money ever since jeff epstein died.
      • mohamedkoubaa4 minutes ago
        Most convincing evidence to date that he is in fact dead
    • jedberg33 minutes ago
      Not only that, but to legally be a charity, you have to spend at least 5% of your assets every year. So not only do they have to stay ahead of their own growth, they have to spend down 5% of quite a lot!
    • karussell2 hours ago
      Bill-Anthropic ;)
      • fakedangan hour ago
        More like Pedophile-Anthropic ;)
        • ffsm8an hour ago
          Wasnt his only connection fcking a legal Russian teen and getting STDs from that? (And consequently getting blackmailed for that)

          While he's a shit person for that (taking advantage of sexual trafficking victims is despicable), I'm not sure I'd be comfortable to use that term - but maybe I'm just not informed enough?

          • mohamedkoubaa2 minutes ago
            Public shaming is important for society to function, let it go
  • cmiles83 hours ago
    Is anyone keeping track of all these “partnerships” and “investments” in one place? This is all turning into a ton of what looks like PR fodder that appears to go nowhere.
    • romaniv3 hours ago
      Ed Zitron[1] has a lot of articles and podcast episodes on these deals. The nice thing about it is that he occasionally revisits the old announcements to check what happened with them. Apparently a lot of these deals just evaporate after prolonged contact with reality.

      [1] https://www.wheresyoured.at/

      • davnicwil2 hours ago
        I think a tell that many of these deals likely aren't real and are basically just PR is the numbers are super round and digestable.

        That's a clear signal that little analysis has gone into the numbers and, most generously, there's nothing but the shape of a deal the details of which will be ironed out and adjusted in practice.

        I get that the amounts of funding and capital being sat on for the respective parties are collossal and lead to rounding that doesn't make sense from the point of view of an individual any more (what's a few million at this scale, just round up to nearest 10, etc) but deal sizes of literally round numbers of 100s start to stretch credibility on whether any real analysis was involved.

        In fact it'd be a ridiculous coincidence if it had been. They're the kind of figures where you'd recheck your calculations to check it's right as it seems too perfectly round.

      • danielblnan hour ago
        Ed Zitron is a terrible source, he is so staunchly anti AI that he is effectively blind. Once in a while he'll be right by pure chance, but I wouldn't rely on any of it.
        • surgical_fire39 minutes ago
          Eh, this is an ad-hominem. Ed being anti-AI does not adress the validity of his arguments.

          I think he misses the mark when he insists on AI being useless. It is useful, although far from what the people hyping AI claim.

          But when he delves in the numbers, his arguments are very solid (and I am still to see someone counter him on that).

      • hnthrow02873452 hours ago
        This stuff helps prevent the bubble popping, which means when they want the bubble to pop, they stop announcing these deals, giving them a great lever of profit.

        Crazy how they can just lie to this extent without consequences. Or still get paid millions for making bad deals, meaning incompetence

    • enugu3 hours ago
      This doesn't seem to be investment focussed activity, but rather extending Claude credits for education and research. Which is a good thing, independent of other bad things that might be happening.
      • colechristensen3 hours ago
        And a sizable tax deduction.
        • chadash3 hours ago
          IANAA, but pretty sure you can only deduct a donation against business profit. Are you suggesting that Anthropic is running at a profit?
          • datadrivenangel20 minutes ago
            you can often carry over the losses for multiple years sometimes.
          • goodthinkan hour ago
            Net Operating Losses (NOLs) in one year can offset taxes owed in future years. It works for personal taxes too if it's a "casualty" loss.
        • yreg3 hours ago
          Who profits from that deduction and how?
          • nozzlegear3 hours ago
            Anthropic profits from the PR, for one. And they likely hook these institutions on their products in the long term, for two – much like I was "stuck" on Azure until recently, thanks to their free startup credits pointing me to it a decade ago.
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          • mikepurvis3 hours ago
            One assumes Anthropic given it's them doing the donating, but you also have to be actually making a profit to be paying tax.
            • trollbridge3 hours ago
              There are ways one can engage in financial engineering (is "accounting engineering" a term yet?) where despite not making a profit, you segregate a tax break, tax credit, charitable deduction, etc. into some other entity and then can sell that off as an asset that some other business that is making a profit buys and writes off against its own profits.
    • willchis2 hours ago
      I make sure I frequently talk about running a marathon someday, just so all my friends think I'm in better shape than I am.
    • giancarlostoro3 hours ago
      Compared to the insanely circular deals that OpenAI made? I have slight more confidence in Anthropics partnerships honestly. This is the Gates foundation dropping 200 million for use of Claude for medical research, unlike OpenaAIs weird "we will buy stuff off you in the future" but I don't know that they actually ever have or did.
    • stefan_an hour ago
      Have you worked in a big company before? I swear they were announcing random partnerships and MoUs every week. They never went anywhere except fancy dinners for the executives involved. Sometimes they were literally announcing partnerships with essentially competitors, because apparently executives on both sides were too stupid to understand their own business.

      The worst were the ones where long after all the cocktails were drunk, some executive (too stupid to understand the vapid nature of these partnerships) got it into his mind to "check up on the progress of the cooperation". That mess predictably rolled downhill because nobody was willing to tell them the truth.

    • georgemcbay3 hours ago
      A lot of the recent news just makes me think much worse of Anthropic.

      If you're going to partner with a charitable Gates, choose the good one (though to be fair, she's probably going to be far more discerning).

      And Anthropic's decision to become complicit in poisoning Memphis with Grok's methane turbines already put the lie to the idea they are the conscientious ones when it comes to large AI companies.

  • podgietaru3 hours ago
    Bill Gates, famous climate activist? Mmm.
    • ZeroGravitas3 hours ago
      He spent most of that effort undermining proven solutions and propping up his own investments which have a poor record so this is not out of character.
      • shimman3 hours ago
        Let's also not forget his wife divorcing him over his Epstein partying.
        • DANmodean hour ago
          I specifically came here hoping to find authoritative discussion on whether or not this could be a net-good in any way,

          despite him controlling the Foundation.

    • kennywinker3 hours ago
      Don’t forget: friend of notorious pedophile jeffery epstein.
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        • brabel3 hours ago
          > should be dissected while living

          You sound like an exemplar citizen yourself /s

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            • DANmodean hour ago
              Skip the weird torture-vengeance shit,

              and just stop ignoring it,

              as a society?

        • ai_slop_hater3 hours ago
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            • nozzlegear3 hours ago
              > Some of us actually live by our values for example not raping trafficked prostitutes and then giving infections to our wives and then lying to them about it

              And advocating for the streamed, live dissection of the accused, apparently.

              > This is one of the most insane things I’ve read recently so kudos to being totally depraved

    • dev_l1x_be3 hours ago
      The helped easing up on the resources of Earth with his investment in certain pharma companies and now owns a giant amount of the farmland of the US too.
      • giancarlostoro3 hours ago
        > now owns a giant amount of the farmland of the US too.

        What for though? I always hear this, but what's the point of it?

        • mrhottakesan hour ago
          Hoarding resources
        • cma3 hours ago
          Any given year congress could pass something letting farmland owned before X date be passed to your children without taxes. I've seen lots of congressmen telling sob stories about a constituent losing the 8-figure family farm due to taxes. Gates owns the farmland personally, not in the foundation. But it could just be diversifying assets. Lots of tech billionaires buy up lots of land.
          • mikeyouse2 hours ago
            He’s donated something like $100 billion already… there’s no chance he’s buying farmland as an inheritance tax dodge.
            • giancarlostoro2 minutes ago
              He has also said it many, many times, he's not leaving his kids anything.
  • rsyncan hour ago
    Let me guess ...

    Gates Foundation and/or principal actors attached to the Gates Foundation have equity stakes in Anthropic ...

    ... and they have made a decision to direct charitable funds toward the committed purchase of Anthropic tokens.

    Do I have that right ?

    Very much like Huang charitable foundation committing to purchase Coreweave services[1] ... which Huang has equity stakes in ?

    [1] https://www.reuters.com/legal/transactional/nvidia-ceos-foun...

  • sowbug3 hours ago
    Is that $200M with the prompt cache at five minutes, or one hour?
  • barbarr4 hours ago
    So... Does the Gates foundation get an equity stake?
    • scyzoryk_xyz3 hours ago
      An equity stake? Psh time for the Gates Foundation to become a normal for-profit AI company!
      • DANmodean hour ago
        “It’s for National Security.”
  • kev0092 hours ago
    I'm a fan of Anthropic's product but this is incredibly tone deaf and makes me reconsider the judgement of their leadership.
    • kridsdale12 hours ago
      Why?
      • tombert2 hours ago
        Not the OP, but I suspect it's because of Bill Gates' recent scandals involving Jeffrey Epstein. Specifically with Bill Gates spiking his wife's food with antibiotics to cover up the fact that he got an STD from a Russian prostitute.
        • dyauspitr2 hours ago
          I’d much rather have someone spike my food with antibiotics than anything else.
          • chabes21 minutes ago
            What purpose does a statement like this serve?

            Like most, I’d much rather my food not be spiked at all.

          • tombert2 hours ago
            I mean, sure, in the set of things that one could put into my food surreptitiously, antibiotics is one of the better ones (I guess assuming that the spiker does the full regimen). I'll acknowledge that amoxicillin is better than a roofie.

            It's still unbelievably scummy to infect your partner with a disease and then drug that partner because you're too much of a coward to come forward about it. Adultery is already bad, infecting your partner because of that adultery is bad, drugging them to cover it up is bad.

          • DANmodean hour ago
            Good for you,

            out here in the normal world, doing any of this surreptitious stuff is wrong,

            and if you’re following, it’s only the tip of their iceberg.

  • varispeed30 minutes ago
    I was hoping for De-Epsteinification of tech. Disappointment move.
  • lorecore4 hours ago
    Gross. Why work with an Epstein op?

    Edit: to those downvoting, even Melinda Gates left the Gates Foundation over Epstein. Not sure why my statement is even remotely controversial.

    • honeycrispyan hour ago
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      • lorecorean hour ago
        As a leftist, I’ve never once considered Bill Gates or Anthropic to be even remotely left-wing. I’m not sure how it would be possible to frame them like that.
        • honeycrispyan hour ago
          The polarizing vaccine mandate is one such example of alignment.
          • nathan_comptonan hour ago
            I don't know of a single leftist who would call Gates a leftist. Liberal, perhaps, in the economic and social sense, but not a leftist in any way shape or form. I don't know why its so hard for people to distinguish between these two very different groups.
      • mrhottakesan hour ago
        Yes, one of those numerous notoriously left-wing billionaires, that definitely exist.
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  • kennywinker3 hours ago
    The gates foundation: money laundering and influence purchasing for billionaires who occasionally want to slip their wives antibiotics.
  • slackfan3 hours ago
    Welp, time to make sure your triple F reserves are stocked up.
  • shevy-java3 hours ago
    Evil & Evil unite.

    To explain: first, they did not pay proper taxes, in particular the older Evil here. But even more importantly, in the USA a foundation can own patents, among other things. They need to give out a certain % on a yearly basis, but basically it is a corporation.

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  • throwaway57523 hours ago
    The Gates Foundation has done measurably terrible work harming public education in the US.

    They do good work on infection disease, vaccines, and childhood mortality in the world but this partnership speaks to the worst of what the foundation does. I hope someone there has some perspective for where they have wasted charitable funds and can use that insight here.

    • Schiendelman7 minutes ago
      You say measurably - tell us more about the measurement?
  • hiroto_lemon3 hours ago
    The line in the press release that matters isn't the $200M headline — it's that the Foundation will use Claude across "global health, education, and agricultural development" delivery work, not just research. That's operational deployment, which means evaluation harnesses, deployment SLAs, and prompt-caching strategy at scale across very heterogeneous use cases.

    For reference: most enterprise commitments I've seen quoted near this range are training + dedicated capacity + a research collab. This one reads more like a multi-year managed-services contract attached to a delivery organization. Whether it produces anything depends entirely on the Foundation's eval-pipeline maturity — and historically large grant-making orgs aren't fast at standing those up.

    The prompt-cache-window joke up-thread actually hits the right structural question: is $200M effectively the volume discount for committing 5-year batched workloads, or is it new R&D dollars? The press release wording is careful enough that I read it as the former.

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  • hmokiguessan hour ago
    How far are we from the next pandemic followed by the first "AI Vaccine" developed by Claude Mythos in collaboration with the Gates Foundation and Pfizer? (/s)
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    • lioetersan hour ago
      MisAnthropic partnering with Epstein Foundation.
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  • flossly3 hours ago
    The "Melinda" bit already dropped? Why did she leave him? Great guy to do a partnership with the same-named foundations of.

    I'll take the downvotes (just saw that _all_ posts that comment negatively on the foundation are well downvoted: I gave each of 'm an upvote just to counter all the AI bots on here, cause sure there are).

    • benatkin41 minutes ago
      This seems to be quite a recent development. duckduckgo has Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation in the title. Google and the title tag on the website do not.

      As for the value of Bill Gates as a husband or of his foundation, the positives don't outweigh the negatives. I have no problem saying with certainty that this is a bad move on Anthropic's part, because anything that Gates Foundation does could be done under an untarnished name.

  • amelius3 hours ago
    Gates missed the boat with the internet. This is not going to happen a second time!
    • icedchai3 hours ago
      They were a little late, but did have the dominant browser for most of the 2000's. To say they "missed the boat" is a bit much. There was a dark period from 1999 to 2004 or so where IE was basically the only usable browser.
      • chrisrickard3 hours ago
        … i’m still seeing a therapist about this time period.
      • josefx2 hours ago
        > but did have the dominant browser for most of the 2000's.

        By offering it for "free" as part of the OS. Which they could only do because they never intended to pay the developers who wrote it.

        In a classic Microsoft move they fucked over their competition, their partners and the entire ecosystem for well over a decade.

        • bombcaran hour ago
          The MA hate is real and well deserved but there actually was a period of time where IE was the browser of choice for all the right reasons. People forget that part, but Microsoft has really made good products when they want to.
          • adzm16 minutes ago
            Plus IE got the box model right in the first place. It really was a good browser and had an interesting design with COM / MSHTML for embedding. The problem really was that it stagnated and had no real competition until Chrome (even though Firefox was slowly gaining traction)

            Plus during this time there was little competition on the desktop market in general. iPhone and smart phones, and the Apple resurgence, was yet to come.