152 pointsby cookiengineer7 hours ago17 comments
  • rustyhancock16 minutes ago
    Crikey, it seems that the big news - a backdoor is somewhat burried.

    It also strikes me that these are several very high value (all but one complete) exploits.

    Surely the value of these on the market would be astronomical and best suited to law enforcement agencies using unlock as a service businesses.

    So I have to say I applaud the open disclosure

  • himata41132 hours ago
    bitlocker is generally useless unless the hardware is secure to begin with and while we have tons of 'boot guard' implementations which fuse the certificate into hardware meaning that only the OEM can create firmware that will boot there have been at least 2 instances of these certificates leaking exposing all hardware with that signature and other bypass methods (some boot guards are 'flash' guards were you can only flash signed firmware, but doesn't stop you from directly flashing the spi bios chip).

    I had someone demo me preserving PCR values by patching SMM module in firmware without triggering any bitlocker lockout, this also means that you can externally write bios with the smm module as long as you have ~2 minutes to disassemble the laptop or desktop and flash firmware.

    This hurts the most when you don't have PIN authentication which means you just need to steal the laptop to exfiltrate data, if you do then you have to have the user boot which then drops a payload exfiltrating data over network or just stealing the laptop again as you can write back decryption keys into non encrypted partition or corrupt some sectors at the end of the disk and write them there.

    * modifying smm allows you to patch the boot process loading a malicious payload into hypervisor/kernel.

    • HackerThemAll2 hours ago
      > unless the hardware is secure to begin

      Majority of hard disk encryption done in the HDD/SSD controller is 100 times more crap than BitLocker itself. It's littered with bugs and security vulns. Anybody using it is insane.

      • himata41132 hours ago
        we're not talking about the hdd/ssd here, those are not really encryption but data packing and compression algorithms, they added encryption because it's a single instruction for extra talking points.

        you use veracrypt which doesn't have any hardware attestation (convenience) features, but it does still leave you vulnerable to the same surface PIN+TPM is vulnerable to. the real defense is making it so opening your laptop/desktop physically fuses something via latch and wipes the key off your system requiring re-entry.

        of course, who wants to own a laptop/desktop that you can't open we have enough of that with our phones.

      • izacus29 minutes ago
        Do you have any citation about that on SSDs built after 2020?
  • AnonC6 hours ago
    The BitLocker exploit seems simple and very dangerous. Companies and individuals have been relying on BitLocker to protect information if the device is lost. Despite promises, Microsoft doesn’t seem to be serious about security.

    What will it take for more companies to truly understand their risks with Windows and being locked into Microsoft’s platforms?

    • cookiengineer3 hours ago
      Note that RedSun and Bluehammer were silently patched, with no response to the CVEs by Microsoft, and not accrediting the researcher's work.

      That's what this is about. Microsoft doing bad security practices while trying to get away with it, leading to this outcome.

      The researcher also claims to have another version ready which allows to also bypass TPM+PIN via a similar backdoor, which I'm inclined to believe.

      Why do I believe that? 5 ring 0 zero days within 3 months are so statistically unlikely to be found, by the same person, in such a short time. Whoever this person is really knows their exploits, and must be in the league of Juan Sacco.

      • aiscoming3 hours ago
        the only way to bypass PIN would be an actual backdoor in Bitlocker. no way around that. an actual backdoor in microsoft encryption was never documented, and there are Snowden documents showing FBI pressing Microsoft into introducing one and Microsoft refusing

        so I call bullshit on the PIN bypass

        • cookiengineer3 hours ago
          > the only way to bypass PIN would be an actual backdoor in Bitlocker. no way around that. an actual backdoor in microsoft encryption was never documented, and there are Snowden documents showing FBI pressing Microsoft into introducing one and Microsoft refusing

          A USB stick containing a masterkey to decrypt a bitlocker volume is literally the definition of a backdoor.

          Go on, try it out. It works.

          • aiscoming3 hours ago
            no, to access a bitlocker volume which automatically decrypts

            thats an LPE, not an encryption backdoor

            the USB stick doesnt decrypt bitlocker, it just gives you root after bitlocker was AUTOMATICALLY decrypted

            • stephbook3 hours ago
              Smells like a compromise. Microsoft enables BitLocker by default, thus protecting companies and users at scale. But the price is a backdoor they hope noone finds.

              Someone else claimed this doesn't affect people who actually care about security and enable boot-time password protection.

            • cookiengineer3 hours ago
              > no, to access a bitlocker volume which automatically decrypts

              > thats an LPE, not an encryption backdoor

              No. RedSun and Bluehammer were LPEs

              > the USB stick doesnt decrypt bitlocker, it just gives you root after bitlocker was AUTOMATICALLY decrypted

              No, that's not what the bypass does. Maybe go try it out and verify it before you come to your quickly made conclusions?

              It's not tied to "automatically decrypted" volumes, whatever that would imply for your setup requiring a pretty pointless TPM keystore for that.

              If your case were true, it would also imply that any bitlocker cryptography never really worked because it was automatically decryptable without the need for a password/hash/whatever to get your keys from the keystore, which actually makes it so much worse. Even worse than the previously known coldboot attacks.

              • aiscoming2 hours ago
                its pretty obvious you have no idea how bitlocker works, and its various modes - TPM only, TPM+PIN, PIN only
                • cookiengineer2 hours ago
                  > its pretty obvious you have no idea how bitlocker works, and its various modes - TPM only, TPM+PIN, PIN only

                  How could anybody besides a Microsoft employee, given the appearance of this bypass technique?

    • ranger_danger5 hours ago
      How does a bug equate to "not serious about security"?
      • navigate83105 hours ago
        There's no way this is not a backdoor
      • Terr_3 hours ago
        Along with other facets of this, what are the odds a "bug" would also automatically erase evidence of itself from the bootable USB stick when it activates?
      • forestry5 hours ago
        The blog author calls it that but given there’s no root cause yet it’s foolish to jump to conclusions.
      • Our_Benefactors5 hours ago
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        • HDBaseT4 hours ago
          It seems undeniably a backdoor, why on earth would a very specific folder/file name and a specific boot combination just "magically" open up an encrypted drive.

          It also doesn't help this comes from a person who likely was close to the development at Microsoft (one way or another) as their recent disclosures are quite alarming.

          Of course, this could technically be the stars aligning type bug, but it seems like a purposefully planted backdoor to me.

          • Dylan168073 hours ago
            Just booting opens up the encrypted drive. Windows gets the key out of the TPM.

            Which leaves an enormous attack surface. If you can break Windows before logging in, you can effectively bypass bitlocker.

            "Windows loads some file in System Volume Information automatically" is not evidence of a backdoor. And you have to put specific exploit files in there to turn this into an attack. You don't just make the folder.

            It's still possible this is a backdoor, I guess, but there's nothing as blatant as you're implying.

        • forestry5 hours ago
          *in your opinion.
  • misone4 hours ago
    • DANmode4 hours ago
      > Mitigation: Use Bitlocker with a PIN.

      > (Note: The YellowKey author disagrees that PIN is a protection

      • jackjeff3 hours ago
        That’s the most puzzling part to me. What’s the point of the PIN then? I was assuming it was mixed with the TPM secret somehow but if it can be bypassed then it shows it just an IF statement somewhere. Dang…

        God I hate this stupid design of burying the decryption key in the TPM and hoping the software does not get fooled to reveal it.

        Microsoft always sucks. Why don’t you ask for the password at boot time and derive the key from it. So much simpler and makes this kind of attacks impossible. Nobody is going to bypass LUKS or FileVault like this.

        • solenoid09373 hours ago
          The amount of trust put into buggy TPM implementations chock full of vulnerabilities has always confused me.

          Does anyone really trust these shitty Windows laptop/desktop manufacturers to get these things right? These guys couldn't even get basic hardware features like trackpad drivers right.

          • ronsor3 hours ago
            Usually the TPM is part of the CPU itself nowadays, so you're mostly trusting Intel or AMD.
            • Gigachad3 hours ago
              An upgrade from terrible to bad.
          • DANmode3 hours ago
            They got it right - just not for us.
        • Borealid2 hours ago
          There are two ways to "use a PIN".

          Since there's a ton of misunderstanding in this thread, I'm going to go into how disk encryption works conceptually.

          First, there's a symmetric key to encrypt blocks on the disk. Since you want to be able to change your unlocking password/mechanism without re-encrypting everything on the disk, this has nothing to do with unlocking the disk. This is what you want to get BY unlocking the disk. Let's call this the "data encryption key".

          Then, there's something you use to encrypt the data encryption key. Let's call this the "key encryption key" (abbreviated KEK from here on in).

          When you use a TPM, the KEK is stored inside the TPM. When you use a TPM PIN, the TPM refuses to release the KEK for use by the OS unless that PIN is provided.

          You could say "why not make the KEK be a hash-mixed combination of a PIN and something inside the TPM?". One could do that! But that's not how Bitlocker works. There is a reason it doesn't work that way: the TPM is supposed to let company admins in charge of the device access it even if the original PIN is forgotten, by using other policies letting them get at the KEK. I personally set my own devices up such that the passphrase IS part of the KEK itself.

          Interestingly, LUKS does not have a composite key mode natively that lets you combine a password with TPM material, but there are some good reasons not to use JUST a password:

          1. The strength of your disk encryption reduces to the strength of the password, where a TPM can have a 256-bit truly random key

          2. If someone keylogs the password, or tricks you into disclosing it, they can later decrypt your drive from anywhere, where a TPM binds the attack to those with posession of the TPM

          3. There is no protection against brute force attacks (rate limiting), where a TPM does - or tries to - impose a rate limit

          Now, let's go on to what YellowKey attacks.

          A TPM can have inside itself "registers", called PCRs. These PCRs can be updated but not reset - think of it like you can add numbers to them but not subtract, and they only go back to zero when you reboot.

          Using a passwordless encrypted boot, the TPM is configured to only release the key when the PCRs are in the exact correct state. As the OS boots it adds numbers to those PCRs. If you boot "the wrong" software, the numbers in those registers won't match the expectations, and you cannot unlock the disk.

          Speculation on my part: the reason there's an exploit here is that the Windows Recovery Environment apparently can match the PCR values for the booted OS, causing the TPM to release the key, but WinRE doesn't require you to get your password right before it gives you access to the data. So far as I know, protecting the TPM key with a PIN would mitigate this issue, but it's still bad.

          Or maybe the exploit actually does something inside the TPM itself, causing it to unconditionally release the key even when protected by a PIN: that would be even worse, but **NOT*** a problem with Windows. That would be a problem with the TPM.

          • pinum11 minutes ago
            Thanks, I was familiar with encryption but not with bitlocker.

            So this only affects a particular mode of bitlocker in which the drive is automatically decrypted on boot without the user providing any secret. Meaning the key is basically stored in plaintext on-device, albeit in a convoluted way.

            To me it seems intuitive that such a mode isn't secure. It's a bit like protecting your door with an unpickable unbreakable lock, but then putting the key in a lockbox on the wall with a flimsy padlock that can be raked or cut off in seconds.

            It seems roughly equivalent to not encrypting the drive at all so it doesn't seem surprising that there's a way to bypass it.

          • Terr_2 hours ago
            If we assume malicious software was already present from the beginning, that opens up some possibilities where the TPM is bypassed.

            For example, storing a second, hidden copy of the master data encryption key, in an obfuscated form on a region of the disk that is unused or somehow reserved for the OS.

            • Borealid2 hours ago
              That does not match up with the way this exploit works.

              An un-exploited system is booted with a modified version of the Windows Recovery Environment.

              Like I said, I think the not-well-described problem here is that (effectively) the lock screen on Windows RE is not secure, so you can have a PCR match in the TPM, but then access the disk as an administrator without typing the admin's user account password. That's not a vulnerability of the TPM itself, and it's not some kind of persistent exploit. It's a flaw in the Windows RE.

              I'll also point out it grants access to do only what Microsoft themselves could do at any point. Anyone who has the ability to make a validly-signed copy of Windows could break into a TPM-locked Bitlocker setup exactly this way. People who use Bitlocker without a PIN are implicitly accepting that risk.

        • Dylan168073 hours ago
          You can have a boot-time password for bitlocker. But that mode doesn't seem to get much use.
        • aiscoming3 hours ago
          how about we wait for proof for such grandiose claims

          author could become famous by being the first to proove an actual backdoor in an OS disk encryption

          • solenoid09373 hours ago
            > We tested this ourselves, and sure enough, not only does it work, it bears all the hallmarks of a backdoor, down to the exploit's files disappearing from the USB stick after it's used once.

            That's enough proof.

  • ungreased06756 hours ago
    Remarkable. Does MS take a huge reputational hit for having a backdoor, or are they so essential to most places this won’t matter?
    • peroids6 hours ago
      I’m assuming the EU speeds up the uncoupling cause of some of this.
    • avazhi4 hours ago
      I think anybody who has been paying attention has assumed for at least 20 years that all of Microsoft’s shit is backdoored anyway. I mean, the original Snowden revelations made that abundantly clear if it wasn’t before then.

      Businesses use Microsoft because they figure if it’s backdoored it doesn’t matter and won’t affect them (because they aren’t terrorists or child pornographers or whatever, and they’d comply with a subpoena regardless of if Bitlocker is backdoored or not) and individuals who care about security and privacy put their shit on a Veracrypt drive somewhere else.

      • anal_reactor3 hours ago
        I guess that most people who use security features of Microsoft products only do so to tick compliance checkboxes and they really don't give a fuck about actual security.

        Which makes me think, it's becoming more and more urgent to make an open source mobile OS happen.

    • charcircuit5 hours ago
      It's not an actual backdoor. An attacker found a way to exploit Windows after booting it up in this recovery mode. The security of files on the device depends on it being impossible for Windows to be pwned by an attacker on any surface exposed before the user is unlocked.

      This is why operating systems like GrapheneOS disable the USB port on the initial boot to limit the attack surface that an attacker has.

      • tsimionescu4 hours ago
        Having a specific file name trigger the decryption to happen automatically, while also removing said files after this is achieved, is an extremely unlikely bug. I think for most people evaluating this, the onus is now on anyone thinking this is not a backdoor to prove how a mistake in the code can trigger this very specific scenario.

        This is like finding out that an OS accepts an SSH private key circulating online that the sysadmin for those OS boxes never authorized, and saying "wait, we don't know that this is a backdoor into that system, the attackers just found a bug".

        • charcircuit3 hours ago
          >Having a specific file name trigger the decryption

          That is not what happens. There is nothing wrong with decrypting the drive. If you just powered on the computer normally, it will "trigger the decryption." There just isn't way to read a file from the lock screen. This exploit is getting you to a state where the drive is unlocked but the user has access to a command prompt. A command prompt, unlike a basic login screen gives the user the ability to actually see the contents of arbitrary files.

          >specific file name

          It's a specific file name because Windows stores transaction logs under that name. If it was a random name it wouldn't be able to exercise this vulnerable code.

          >also removing said files after this is achieved

          It doesn't seem farfetched for a transaction log to be deleted after it is successfully replayed.

      • solenoid09373 hours ago
        This is 1000% a backdoor if you understand how the BitLocker process works.
        • charcircuit3 hours ago
          I would appreciate for you to share an explanation with everyone else here as I am not intimate with Windows internals.
    • ranger_danger5 hours ago
      As far as I can tell, there's no concrete evidence that it is actually an intentional "backdoor."
      • 3eb7988a16634 hours ago
        What would you require to feel confident it is a backdoor?

        Nadella gives a press release, "Alright guys, you got us fair and square. Backdoor on Bootlocker. Various versions of it for years on behalf of the spooks."

        You are unlikely to ever get a confirmation of wrong doing. That being said, for a first line security posture, there is no way external media should have anything to do with the encryption process. Even if the OS chose to read a USB drive, to also delete the magical files is ridiculously suspect.

        It could always be plain old incompetence, but that is a damning level of technical ineptitude assigned to such critical infrastructure. This is not a project you assign to the intern, but paranoid security experts. Multiple levels of code review and red-teaming.

        • Dylan168073 hours ago
          > there is no way external media should have anything to do with the encryption process.

          Does this exploit have external media having anything to do with the encryption process? If yes, how do we know that? Remember that the OS normally unlocks the drive on boot, when no exploits are happening.

          > Even if the OS chose to read a USB drive, to also delete the magical files is ridiculously suspect.

          It's files in System Volume Information describing a transaction or something. It makes sense for it to resolve that transaction when mounting the external drive, and to then delete the files. And that's if it's even windows itself triggering the deletion.

      • skeptic_ai5 hours ago
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        • majorchord4 hours ago
          > lol it's an obvious backdoor

          in your opinion

    • AndroTux3 hours ago
      I don’t think anyone is using Windows for privacy, so I’d say nobody will care.
      • danpalmer2 hours ago
        But almost every business is using Windows and depending on its security.
        • mystifyingpoi2 hours ago
          Business side is different. I have a company provided Windows laptop and I could not care less about it's privacy or security - it's my employer problem, or at most my employer's IT/secops department.

          But Windows for personal private use? No.

        • realusername2 hours ago
          Nothing has changed since the old days, Windows still isn't appropriate for sensitive or secure operations.

          (I'm aware that there's going to be a significant gap between the theory and what happens in practice though)

      • essephan hour ago
        It's used at every bank, every government institution, even carriers and nuclear submarines.
  • red_admiralan hour ago
    Properly secure symmetric encryption needs a key with at least 128 bits of entropy. In the "device lost/stolen" scenario, that key must not be on the device. Key inside a TPM on the device itself is DRM, nothing more. There's better and worse DRM, I think the iPhone bootloader one is one of the better ones, but it's still just DRM.

    You either need to enter a 128-bit entropy password on every boot (good luck with that) or you need to hold it on some external device, with some variant of USB / smartcard / NFC / Bluetooth to transmit it. NB. this is one of the cases where the usual "key for signing only, never leaves device, ephemeral DH and ZK protocols" like for SSH will not work on its own; you need the high-entropy key physically separate from the device.

    The NSA realised this a while ago: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KSD-64

    Linux/LUKS etc. doesn't change any of this, by the way.

    P.S. If Eclipse really has beef with Microsoft, he could always make an exploit that lets you set up a PC without making a Microsoft account.

    • perching_aix19 minutes ago
      So much this. Security information should simply never reside on-device in the first place.

      That said, I think this is a thing with BitLocker? I remember coming across YubiKeys being able to do this via something called PIV (Personal Identity Verification). Found this guide now after giving it a quick search: https://gist.github.com/daemonhorn/03301a66da7d1f4de6cdc8c8b...

      Not sure how sound of a design it is though, didn't dig into it much at all.

  • Nition4 hours ago
    This looking so much like an intentional backdoor just makes me wonder even more about TrueCrypt's sudden recommendation in 2014 that everyone switch to BitLocker. This particular backdoor didn't exist then (it's only Win11 apparently) but this sure makes it seem more plausible that another one might have.

    Though if TrueCrypt was killed to try and get people to switch to encryption that could be backdoored, then why allow its successor VeraCrypt to exist? It's open source and independently audited, so it really shouldn't be backdoored.

  • bombcar5 hours ago
    How is this even possible, backdoor or no? Isn't the whole point of this type of encryption that even a compromised machine can't decrypt without the passphrase? If this works it means that the key is stored unencrypted somewhere?
    • majorchord5 hours ago
      Most setups only have the key stored in the TPM, so all you need to get it back is a signed/trusted bootloader.

      Ideally you'd want that key to be further protected with a password or some other mechanism because it's not impossible to extract TPM keys.

    • andrecarini5 hours ago
      Presumably the key is stored in the TPM
  • felooboolooomba2 hours ago
    When I see a bug that walks like a backdoor and swims like a backdoor and quacks like a backdoor I call that bug a backdoor.
  • lofaszvanittan hour ago
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  • iscoelho4 hours ago
    What's with all the replies on these threads downplaying this? Why is it mainly brand new accounts? What's going on here?

    I've seen every variant of:

    1) "this is an authentication/privilege escalation bug, not a bitlocker exploit" (? what are you even trying to say)

    2) "even though the attacker explicitly warns that this is capable of bypassing TPM+PIN, that isn't actually true or what he meant"

    3) "we shouldn't jump to conclusions that this is a backdoor"

    4) "we already knew BitLocker with just TPM isn't secure" (? except many organizations depend on it to be)

    • Dylan168073 hours ago
      1) These systems are set up for automatic decryption. It's super obvious that if you can successfully attack windows between unlock and user login, you can get to the files. If this is such an attack, it's not a flaw with bitlocker itself.

      2) Is it unreasonable to say "show it"?

      3) Correct, we shouldn't jump to conclusions.

      4) It's not known-insecure but it is known-enormous-attack-surface.

      • iscoelho3 hours ago
        1) Except that the entire premise behind BitLocker TPM's security relies on the login screen as a hard security boundary, and thus any attack on the login screen is an attack on BitLocker. It is semantics to dispute this and certainly fits "downplaying."

        2) I'm sure many organizations are thankful that the researcher has decided not to release that exploit chain at this time. I am hopeful that Microsoft will not be as dismissive and will resolve it before it is publicly released.

        3) It distracts from the point. The point is that Microsoft's security record is so bad that many of the vulnerabilities appear deliberate and obvious enough to be backdoors.

        4) Yes, this also fits the definition of downplaying.

        • Dylan168072 hours ago
          1) It is semantics to dispute this and certainly fits "downplaying."

          It's not semantics. A true bitlocker backdoor would let you in even if it's passworded.

          And is it really downplaying? The ability to shove in a USB stick and get control over the drive is mostly equivalent to a bitlocker exploit when it comes to laptop theft. But for quick access to a desktop without bitlocker, and without the ability to open it and pull the drive, it's actually more damaging than a bitlocker exploit.

          2) I am not personally being dismissive of the claim. I'm saying it's fine to hold off, and even if we assume the PIN version is real we shouldn't assume we know exactly what it looks like.

          3) Saying it's not a backdoor distracts from the point? Can't agree with you there at all. The comments saying it's definitely a backdoor are the ones I point to as distracted.

          4) Maybe it's downplaying but it's true. Replying on TPM-based bitlocker is a lot more dangerous than having a secure password. It's chosen because it's easier to enforce.

          • iscoelho2 hours ago
            If the device doesn't have BitLocker, this exploit is pointless because you can already boot any OS USB and immediately have full access to the unencrypted disk.

            This exploit is only ever relevant with BitLocker enabled (as a method to "bypass" BitLocker's security premise [categorically classifying this as, dare I say, a "BitLocker bypass"]).

            To avoid typing 1)2)3)4) a bunch of more times, I'll just say 2/3/4) all still fit the definition of downplaying the situation.

            • Dylan168072 hours ago
              > If the device doesn't have BitLocker, this exploit is pointless because you can already boot any OS USB

              For this hypothetical, assume the owner took basic precautions to lock booting to the hard drive and password protect the BIOS.

              But I'm not 100% familiar with how recovery mode normally works, so maybe it doesn't matter.

              > To avoid typing 1)2)3)4) a bunch of more times, I'll just say 2/3/4) all still fit the definition of downplaying the situation.

              I think that level of pushback against the claims is a valid (and small) amount of "downplaying". I haven't seen anyone claiming this isn't a serious issue.

              • iscoelho2 hours ago
                If the device does not have BitLocker, WinRE already by default provides full Administrator access to the unencrypted disk via Command Prompt.

                > I think that level of pushback against the claims is a valid (and small) amount of "downplaying". I haven't seen anyone claiming this isn't a serious issue.

                If you look in the other threads about this, it's much more obvious. Look for brand new users. There's comparatively few in this thread, but the pattern is there: if the user's name is green, they're downplaying this.

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    • gib4444 hours ago
      Most submissions involving criticism of big tech gets those kind of replies. Par for the course here.

      You just have to skip reading them because it seems there's no stopping those 100% genuine replies

  • ReptileMan2 hours ago
    So is bitlocker not using TPM vulnerable? Bitlocker at rest? It is not really clear.
  • stackghost2 hours ago
    What's with these two new accounts, `aiscoming` and `forestry`, being weirdly aggressive in their defense of bitlocker?
    • aiscoming2 hours ago
      I get paid to defend AI and MSFT online. quite lucrative business. DM me if you are interested
  • ranger_danger5 hours ago
    For those who use password (not PIN) based pre-boot authentication with BitLocker... do we know if that setup is safe?

    I can't imagine there would be a way to bypass that if a password is required, unless it was a situation where like, there was originally some secret secondary key made that needs no password... or the password was never tied to the key in the first place.

    • andrecarini5 hours ago
      The exploit developer themselves say [1] TPM+PIN is vulnerable, though no public PoC.

      [1]: https://deadeclipse666.blogspot.com/2026/05/were-doing-silen...

      • forestry5 hours ago
        I’m skeptical of that claim. The key material presumably is inaccessible even to the OS without the passcode.
        • ranger_danger5 hours ago
          > presumably

          That's the thing, we don't actually know how involved the PIN is in relation to the key... it might be completely separate (and hence bypassable).

          Similarly I also wonder if password-based pre-boot auth is affected.

        • cookiengineer3 hours ago
          If someone drops 5 confirmed ring 0 exploits/bypasses within 3 months and claims that they got a 6th one... why on earth would you doubt that the 6th one suddenly is fake?

          Do you know how hard discovering even one of those is? And how many months of work it takes?

          • aiscoming3 hours ago
            this claim is in another galaxy, not your average 0-day
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