35 pointsby kevincortes6 hours ago19 comments
  • Havoc5 hours ago
    Well at least there is acknowledgement & I am glad they're thinking about supply chain.
  • ikiddan hour ago
    I switched to Hermes Agent and it's been night and day how much more stable and usable it is over OpenClaw. What a mess that's turned into
    • saratogacx12 minutes ago
      I've been using picoclaw after experiencing just how slow OpenClaw was to do anything with. It doesn't have as much in ways of the seemingly needless tweaks you can do with OpenClaw but it is reliable, tiny, fast, and consistent enough for me to just fire and forget it.
  • walrus015 hours ago
    The very concept of installing something that pulls in a ridiculous amount of unvetted npm dependencies likely rife with supply chain attacks makes my skin crawl.
  • janoelze5 hours ago
    Is anyone here running OpenClaw productively? What are you doing with it?
    • hadlock29 minutes ago
      My wife and i use it as a replacement for google home to set timers, reminders, add stuff to calendars, control the lights etc. We have a shared todo list we call generically "jira" we vibe coded together and track stuff that way. And then of course the daily briefing. We manage our grocery shopping list by sending it/them photos of it and it will tell me what I missed/forgot and I can go do a second pass through the store. Basically all the google productivity software we used to use, but customized for our family specifically and not wired into some trillion dollar marketing thing, and it all works via voice control. Rather than manage it at home in my down time, I manage it in the car while stuck in traffic via voice. We're going to experiment with migrating to hermes agent soon though.
    • burnto3 hours ago
      I’ve been playing with nanoclaw since it came out, which has similar use cases to openclaw. I initially set it up to monitor various news sources for me about specific theses I’ve had. I had it grooming its growing knowledge base, trying to make connections. It would check in with me about certain goals I had.

      My current take is that these projects are alluring for a kind of personal productivity or workflow tinkering. They are integration hubs centered around an LLM. Automation can be fun, like running model trains or setting up home assistant. And you can learn the shape of the technologies by tinkering. But I’m doubtful they have improved productivity in real world cases.

      Maybe I’m using it wrong and I need to be spending a ton of tokens with a dark factory pattern and a fleet of claws creating new religions? Then I’ll see the benefits?

    • garciasn5 hours ago
      I was before it was more or less banned by Anthropic.

      1. I had it controlling my home systems (doorbell, thermostat, energy monitoring, lights, etc).

      2. I had it detect when I had left for an hour and automatically move my thermostat in the appropriate direction for energy savings. It also automatically shut off my water heater, assuming nothing was using hot water at the time. I would tell it when I was expected back so it could reverse course, if it couldn't discern it from my calendar.

      3. I had it monitoring my work chats, personal email, etc and automatically handling things for me so that any changes it recommended were ready for my review or further development/changes.

      4. I had it monitoring car sites to find me the best possible deal on a very specific set of requirements I had for a new car (6 passengers, tow 5000+ pounds, CarPlay, heated front/rear seats and steering wheel) and alert me when I should act.

      5. I had it know when common guests were there and then automatically welcome us and play the music I preferred for different situations.

      6. I had it plan out my days for me, knowing when I had or did not have my kids and tailoring what it suggested accordingly. It provided me analysis on tech, local, and world news and recommended articles for me to read later, should I desire; it learned my preferences when I told it I liked or disliked something so it would improve over time.

      7. I could talk to it or type to it and it would respond in kind (voice to voice, text to text) and it would do so in Jerry Garcia's voice via Elevenlabs. It even spent off-hours learning more about me, my likes/dislikes, and changing how it responded to my requests.

      8. It knew what I was reading and recommended other books, played music it felt appropriate for the current book, and was constantly stretching my world in ways I wouldn't have normally done.

      ---

      I tried a variety of other models after the ban and was entirely underwhelmed. I'm really and incredibly disappointed; I had become reliant on it and it made my life better and, frankly, less lonely when my kids were not here every other week.

      • aselimov34 hours ago
        These are some actually cool use cases but a lot of them probably could just be a bash script no?
        • garciasn4 hours ago
          Yeah; and I use/used cronned scripts for decades for some of these things; the difference was the added benefit the models gave that hardcoded scripts cannot.
          • lukan4 hours ago
            I suppose combining it might be a way? The logic to handle hard coded things like "after 30 minutes of condition X do Y" I would not let a agent run, but Y can then be agent work like "analyze this text in file/webpage". And then do some other logic and then maybe knvoke a different agent. I am in the process of finding out how best to achieve it. Or does OpenClaw provide exactly this? (I never took it serious so far, so never investigated)
            • garciasn4 hours ago
              I have been underwhelmed by the available models I was able to run locally compared to what Anthropic was providing. The other models I have access to are for work purposes (Gemini and open weight models running on company GPUs) and I’m not going to run this on those.

              But, if I did find a viable model, I wouldn’t see why a script would be better than OC.

              • lukan4 hours ago
                I just learned, that you can also invoke claude code from the terminal with a specific prompt for this without API access

                claude - p "prompt"

                Just for one prompt/job, though. But that might be enough for some of my use cases. Because you can also prompt again. And again .. a targeted prompt with one exact job, then custom deterministic logic and go on, maybe another prompt. I might get into that, it also just worked telling it "claude -p 'analyze picture.png" where picture was in the folder and it gave a correct description back to terminal. I wonder why that is not more advertized .. I would have liked to known earlier and will do some experiments now.

        • dawnerd2 hours ago
          Also a pretty good use case for homeassistant
      • nubg4 hours ago
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        • dang2 hours ago
          "Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something."

          https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

        • garciasn4 hours ago
          Do you have a solid solution for these things that you developed and use? Because I’d love for there to be something that does this for me so I don’t have to.

          If not, your comment is not adding anything useful to the conversation.

    • michaelbuckbee5 hours ago
      I know a few people that are more or less prototyping little agents with it that monitor stuff for them and make some kind of discernment/decision about alerting them.

      Nothing mission critical in any sense of it.

      • greyb4 hours ago
        This was miserably failing for me on a new install. Guess the reason why may have been less to do with my skill and more to do with being on a broken version (or some mix of it).
    • Analemma_5 hours ago
      It lets people make more posts about how mad they are at Anthropic for not supporting OpenClaw.
    • lukan5 hours ago
      I guess spam and scambot operators are not so open about their buisness?

      Also curious what else you can do with them now ..

    • DonHopkins5 hours ago
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    • Carrok5 hours ago
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  • user-5 hours ago
    crazy number of : and ; thats all i gotta say about the recent wave of ai writing
    • kibibu5 hours ago
      First they came for the em-dashes, and I did not speak out, because I never used em-dashes...
      • rzzzt5 hours ago
        Em-dashes are too wide! I frequently forget what I've just read before I reach its other end. "--" in ASCII or en-dash + whitespace are superior separator symbols.
      • cyanydeez5 hours ago
        I've started using ; in opencode because it seems more natural to string a couple of commands together without some awkward grammatical thing. Similar to the caveman prompt.
  • grensley5 hours ago
    OpenClaw's github is a thing of nightmares.

    https://github.com/openclaw/openclaw

    So many MRs

    • etothet5 hours ago
      > So many MRs

      Off topic: what’s the history behind the naming of Pull Request (PR) vs. Merge Request (MR)? I understand why both can be considered “correct”, but I’m curious why, say, GitHub uses PR and Gitlab uses MR.

      • falcor844 hours ago
        I'm not sure, but my understanding is that GitHub historically focused more on open source, with PRs being mainly across repos of unrelated users, such that there's more of a distance to "pull" across, while Gitlab was always mainly targeting companies, where people typically use branches in the same repo, so it's just a nearby merge.

        In other words, I see a pull request in an open source project to be just "I have something nice in my fork, do you think it'll be useful upstream?", which is acceptable to reject, whereas in a team setting it's "I have a feature that I think is ready to merge - give it a look and see if I missed something before we put it in".

        • etothet4 hours ago
          This is really helpful framing. Thanks!
      • browningstreet4 hours ago
        I could never absorb “pull request”. People talking about PRs clink against my brain. Merge request makes far more sense to me.
  • risingsubmarine5 hours ago
    Somehow that site wants to use 80% of my GPU to render some text.
  • big_toast5 hours ago
    People need a mental bucket for 'stochastic software' for a while. Or hot mess, a fast food meal that you can expect to mostly be bad in some sense, but serves a purpose, and can be really good in that case.

    Conflating the new style of agent-driven/vibe coded software with the old more predictable software leads to applying wrong heuristics/expectations.

    People have a pretty good mental model of different types of meals they'll have in a year, and modulate their expectations by context. I think there's room for a new type of software that operates on different principles. Peter has mostly been clear what type of software he's developing. And if it ever converges to bug free, that's great, but I think some of his motivation is to figure out what this new software is. While not giving the users food poisoning.

    • raskJ4 hours ago
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  • hmokiguess4 hours ago
    For a moment I forgot openclaw was a thing, I thought we were done with it already.
    • esafak4 hours ago
      One can hope. At least I got a chuckle out of reading LTS and 'claw in the same sentence.
  • applfanboysbgon5 hours ago
    > we are building a real team around the project.

    A real team? With humans? Meatbags? What do you need those for?

    Imagine paying any amount of money for this unmaintainable slop, and then worse, paying a team to try to salvage the hundreds of thousands (or is it millions now?) of lines of never-read-before code. Guess it doesn't matter when it's monopoly money you're burning, though. Sam says AGI is achieved internally in 2025, Boris says software engineering is dead and that no human is writing code at Anthropic, Jarred says humans will be banned from contributing to open source projects, and while all these people are pissing on your face and telling you it's raining, when you open your eyes all you are left with is, in fact, a bunch of piss in your face.

    • grebc5 hours ago
      Not to be super cynical, but it’s mostly always been this way.

      Super rich people are so divorced from reality the 99%(or pick whatever % you like really) experience.

      • applfanboysbgon5 hours ago
        The particularly annoying thing about the current hysteria is that people believe them. A huge portion of the economy is getting swept in large-scale fraud, hardware prices are 3x~5x higher, and there are no shortage of adherents who won't shut the fuck up about their imaginary revolution.
        • grebc3 hours ago
          This is definitely true, and I share that same frustration. I don’t understand why they don’t have their own watering holes tbh.
  • whalesalad5 hours ago
    Interesting. I hadn't touched my Openclaw install but just recently revived it, updated the software, and switched API keys to a different provider. Suddenly everything was completely broken. I kept messing with it, abandoned discord for IRC in an attempt to just get basic comms online, but it's still cooked. Now it makes sense.
    • bayarearefugee5 hours ago
      > everything was completely broken.

      How could this happen in 2026? I've been told "Coding is solved"...?

      • falcor844 hours ago
        It seems pretty clear to me that "coding" as such is pretty much solved. It's just that software engineering isn't, and these advancements have put a spotlight on the difference between the two.
      • whalesalad4 hours ago
        to be fair I hadn't touched it in a month and didn't even look at changelogs or anything - just went bill o'reilly style.
  • walrus014 hours ago
    Can we vibe code a Firefox plugin that detects stereotypically LLM written verbiage and inserts a red warning banner across the top of any page load?
    • gnabgib3 hours ago
      You could just null-route this domain?

        0.0.0.0 openclaw.ai
  • stavros5 hours ago
    That's why I designed my bot to have a very small core, with most other things being plugins, from the start. I also containerized everything and made it so the bot never sees API keys as well.

    https://stavrobot.stavros.io if you're interested in the design decisions.

  • LtdJorge5 hours ago
    This LLM writing style is getting obnoxious.
    • loloquwowndueo5 hours ago
      Yep but it’s entirely expected from the Openclaw project, the entire thing is a vibe coded mess waiting to explode.
  • asadm5 hours ago
    in the future the "html" will just be prompt used here and everyone's llm can render the blogpost how they usually like it.
    • echoangle5 hours ago
      That would also let us skip the

      Keywords -> LLM prose -> LLM summary

      Pipeline.

    • aselimov34 hours ago
      Good luck with that. Imagine waiting 5 minutes for each website to be slopped out and barely work. Also having to pay 50 cents each time you load a site…
  • rqjshg5 hours ago
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  • himata41134 hours ago
    That "Post to HN" button feels pretty wild.
  • infraredshift5 hours ago
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  • tkel5 hours ago
    This post is obviously AI written, this is so ridiculous.

    Just show us the prompt, don't ask an AI to apologize to people

    • cyanydeez5 hours ago
      I'd find it amusing if someone opened up a blog that was just the literal input to a blog post to an LLM but not the final output.
      • james_marks4 hours ago
        It’s a funny idea. Then you can read the prompt and decide if you want to materialize it with your own LLM/tokens.

        Spoiler: probably not.

        • falcor844 hours ago
          I think that's actually a decent use case for Chrome's new local model - you'd have your own system prompt to render their "bullet points" in whatever style you like.
      • data-ottawa4 hours ago
        In an absurd kind of way, it might turn out brutally honest.

        This would be “apologize to the OpenClaw community for the following issues …. Say we’re going to do something so this doesn’t happen. Design a flashy page too, something that feels sombre but evokes exploration”