“Kitten Space Agency”, a Spiritual Successor to “Kerbal Space Program” (2025)(www.space.com)
145 pointsby Tomte8 hours ago10 comments
  • JLO646 hours ago
    I’m primarily a coding instructor but I also teach lessons based around Kerbal Space Program. From that angle I’m pretty happy where these devs are going with the sandbox and level of freedom they plan on giving users. One reason my students seem to really like KSP are all the different things you can do/build (especially space planes). While it does have a high difficulty curve when it comes to the controls, once they master them they all seem to appreciate the level of control they have. From my perspective, I feel that instead of trying to make certain systems more accessible/simple they should go in the opposite direction and offer more control/options (preferably with a decent tutorial though).

    However, something I really hope the developers plan on making a macOS port. I use a MacBook myself, but I’ve noticed the vast majority of my students also have Macs. I have no hard data to back this up, but I suspect a larger than average segment of users interested in this game are on Mac.

    • janzer4 hours ago
      Have you ever combined KSP with the coding instruction using either kOS[1] or kRPC[2]?

      1. https://ksp-kos.github.io/KOS_DOC/ 2. https://krpc.github.io/krpc/

      • kanemcgrath3 hours ago
        I relied on Mechjeb too much in my game, so I did a run using KRPC and built my own autopilot features with it. It was a lot of fun, and I would recommend it.
        • colechristensenan hour ago
          I thought it would be nice to have actual mission planning in game for things like complex maneuvers, orbital slingshots, Lagrange point orbits, and the like.

          Then launch countdowns, maps, exact timed burns that you'd still have to do manually but you could seemingly do so much more.

          Or maybe this kind of thing already exists with mods.

          • kanemcgrathan hour ago
            Mechjeb does a lot of automation for complex maneuvers like planetary transfers, ascent autopilot, target interception, etc.. You can even do a porkchop plot for interplanetary transfer. but lagrange points are not possible in KSP because of the Sphere of Influence Model. and orbital slingshots are not included, I assume because they require an intense bruteforce calculation.
    • peesem5 hours ago
      somewhere they have an FAQ where one of the questions is about Mac support, i remember the response being something like "most of the developers use Macs so it might happen"

      edit: here - https://kittenspaceagency.wiki.gg/wiki/Frequently_asked_ques...?

      • bigyabai4 hours ago
        > Officially supported native builds for both [macOS and Linux] would require significant financial contributions to be considered economical.

        Running it through Wine is probably the safest bet. Should be no problem for platforms with D3D11 emulation figured out (eg. basically everwhere).

  • rowanseymour7 hours ago
    So excited to play this but also sad that they didn't get the IP to use Kerbals. Not loving the cutesy baby kittens.. should have gone with a more serious animal like capybaras.
    • stetrain6 hours ago
      'Kapybara Space Program' has actually already been done as an April Fool's post by the previous studio that worked on Kerbal Space Program 2:

      https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/topic/216143-kapybara-s...

    • Zee26 hours ago
      Giant tardigrades would have been fun. Serious, authentic space travelers... not so much on the cuteness factor, though.
      • amarant6 hours ago
        The next spiritual successor should allow us to customise the species, and let us deal with whatever consequences that might bring!

        Like, you might have a aquatic space-faring species, which requires you to bring lots of water into space. More rockets (and struts!) will be needed, but at least you get really good radiation protection out of it!

        Tardigrades ought to be a cheat code, you can just glue your crew to the outside of the booster and they'll probably be alright so long as you don't glue them to the fiery end!

    • zamadatix6 hours ago
      I think the angle is at least partially that "Kitten"/"Kerbal" both start with a 'K' and are 2 syllables making the game names sound very similar (in both full form and abbreviation).

      Of course, I'm sure there will be Kerbal mods if the game proves anywhere near as popular!

      • pooploop643 hours ago
        The main reason for them being kittens is to incentivize valuing the astronauts lives without forcing a gameplay related penalty for killing or losing them. The disposability of astronauts is something the devs of this game think was a mistake in KSP. But at the same it's not a game about forcing the player to behave a certain way, so making them kittens is the middle ground.
        • TeMPOraL2 hours ago
          What disposability? Kerbals were never disposable! If you crash your little green astronauts on some moon or planet, you're supposed to send a rescue mission after them. And should that rescue fail too, stranding more Kerbals, you just keep launching more rescue missions, until you successfully establish a colony :).
      • nerdsniper6 hours ago
        "Kapybara"
    • flohofwoe5 hours ago
      I bet there will be mods in no time to bring the Kerbals back :)
      • Rebelgecko5 hours ago
        There was a mod within 24 hours of the tech demo being released :)
    • tintor6 hours ago
      I'd like to play Minion Space Program.
      • throwaway274486 hours ago
        Aren't the kerbals basically minions with dignity?
        • danilocesar6 hours ago
          Not mine. My kerbin's ocean is full of them now.
          • dmoy5 hours ago
            Not sure if that's more or less bad than the dozens of kerbals polluting my LKO for, uh... reasons.

            Since I play with no mods I guess they're all still technically alive since they don't require food or water and have an apparently infinite supply of oxygen.

      • pinewurstan hour ago
        Isn’t that NASA?
    • goda906 hours ago
      Perhaps it will be moddable to have whatever animal a modder might choose to put in there.
    • libraryatnight6 hours ago
      I don't know why but I found myself thinking "Capybaras would make much more sense." And I meant it.
      • RankingMember6 hours ago
        Something about their resolute "ok I'll deal with this" facial expressions while being absolute units body-wise seem right for comical astronauts.
    • altmanaltman3 hours ago
      Yeah I don't think i can stomach cute kittens in my rockets that go boom on launch at least 80% of times. At least Kerbals were strange enough i didnt care
  • throwaway274486 hours ago
    Let me know when I can run it on my Mac. I realize I'm 1% of the world but I can't even be bothered to unfuck the gaming machines I own that are gathering dust. Just let me use my main workstation and I'll play the shit out of it
    • MarsIronPI5 hours ago
      I wish it were open-source, especially since it's being distributed "pay-what-you-want" anyway. If they released the source, they could get free labor to port to Mac or even console homebrew.
      • Svoka5 hours ago
        They answered this on their wiki:

        > Will KSA be open source?

        The game is not expected to be made open source due to certain dependencies that are not also open source. Public code contributions may be opened up in the future pending concerns around effectively managing the potential volume of code contributions.

        • ryandrake4 hours ago
          > The game is not expected to be made open source due to certain dependencies that are not also open source.

          That's always kind of struck me as a silly excuse. So just release it without those non-open source dependencies. If there is a community need, they will be re-implemented. There's no law that says an open source release needs to be buildable from day one.

          • MarsIronPI4 hours ago
            The only time it's not silly is when said dependencies are not just non-free, but covered under an NDA. If the API is under NDA then they can't release the code that uses the APIs. AIUI this is why FOSS games don't get ported to console, even though there might be people willing to fork up the money to pay for devkits and SDKs.
            • OneDeuxTriSeiGo2 hours ago
              My guess is that it's the dependencies for the game engine. They use a custom engine but with how fast they got it up and running I'm guessing it's based on a pre-existing game engine which would almost certainly get it put under NDA.
            • 0cf8612b2e1e3 hours ago
              What secret sauce APIs are there to protect on the consoles? I guess the DRM side they might want to keep as secret as possible, but everything else strikes me as boring standard stuff. Here is how you draw a triangle, register an achievement, pop up the console store, whatever.
              • MarsIronPI30 minutes ago
                Who knows what some enterprising hacker might be able to glean about the workings of the console by looking at the APIs.

                I think that consoles shouldn't be locked down, but it's sensible granted the premise.

    • zamadatix6 hours ago
      I wonder what they'll do in that regard, has anyone seen an official comment on the intent? I know they already have a Linux build but they didn't have to create a new graphics API target (they use Vulkan) to do that.
      • throwaway274486 hours ago
        You can target Macs with Vulcan. It's not ideal but it should be fine.
    • Svoka5 hours ago
      You are not, in fact, 1% here. I saw numbers like 77% of players using Windows, 12% on macOS and 9% on Linux for the game.

      Also, developers seem to have an experimental Linux build and code building for macOS according to the wiki:

      https://kittenspaceagency.wiki.gg/wiki/Frequently_asked_ques...?

      I have a lot of opinions on shipping games on macOS, but they mostly about lack of technical barriers to be honest, so I'll leave them with myself.

  • etiam4 hours ago
    Wasn't a big part of the attraction of KSP to see your creations fall apart, without too much guilt about it?

    Neotenous fluffy mammals for collateral damage seems like an unfortunate handicap to take on. Maybe they should make it worms or something?

  • pohl6 hours ago
    Using kittens is a master stroke. If done right, the internet will reward them.
    • Gagarin19176 hours ago
      I was surprised how much backlash there is over using kittens.

      It turned out that people are worried they’ll get too attached to the kittens to be able to enjoy them becoming engulfed in massive explosions.

      • ajxs4 hours ago
        Thinking about what would be going through Bill Kerman's little head as he approaches the rocket having just seen poor Jebediah Kerman vaporised on the launch pad was pretty funny. I don't think this same gallows humour extends to kittens.
      • cfiggers5 hours ago
        Now that's funny.

        "They're too easy to get sentimentally attached to, and then it makes me sad if I blow them up!"

        Honestly this probably enhances the sandbox nature of the game by making the stakes more palpable.

      • w4der5 hours ago
        There is historical precedent tho: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%A9licette
  • zamadatix6 hours ago
    I just started doing a final playthrough of KSP in anticipation by the time KSA is in a more complete state I'll have the itch for such a game again. It's looking to be in a much better direction than KSP 2 (very glad I managed to avoid that) both technically & in release approach.
  • incognito1245 hours ago
    An actual spiritual successor to KSP is KSP2 Redux, a community project to resurrect KSP2. They made tons of progress already: https://ksp2redux.org/
    • OkayPhysicistan hour ago
      Kitten Space Agency is being made by one of the studios that attempted to land the contract to make KSP2. Basically, KSP1 had fundamental engine limitations that were blocking adding stuff that the developers really wanted (interstellar travel, better colonies, etc). So instead of just developing more DLC, they decided to make KSP2. Since the company that made KSP1 wasn't a game developer (they were a marketing company that gave their devs some free time), they shopped around for a studio to take it over. Of the studios that offered to take on the project, they ended up choosing Take2, because they had a flashy, art-focused pitch. Take 2 muddled around in development hell, then decided to abandon the engine rewrite, and focus almost exclusively on releasing a graphics overhaul of KSP1, all while still promising the features that required the engine rewrite in the first place. Queue absolutely disastrous early access launch. Rocketwerks, the KSA studio, were another one of the studios that pitched for KSP2, on the technical basis of their proposed replacement engine which would actually solve the problems that was KSP2 raison d'être. After Take2's KSP2 failed miserably, fired all it's staff, and then pretended that KSP2 wasn't dead for months, Rocketwerks announced that they were going to build their own game, KSA, on the engine that they had developed for KSP2.

      In short, KSA is more of a KSP2 than what Take2 gave us.

    • mihemihe3 hours ago
      KSP2 modding is a dead end. Also, it forces people to buy an abandonware KSP2 to play the mod. I spent myself those 50Euro on KSP2 when it was still active on development, but now I hope no one else makes the same mistake.
  • mc326 hours ago
    A nice segue for kids from the Catstronauts series…
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