104 pointsby cdrnsf5 hours ago22 comments
  • hilariously5 hours ago
    "It sucks that someone potentially tricked a temperature sensor with a hairdryer to scam actual gamblers out of potential winnings" really missed a chance to say it blows.
    • stronglikedan3 hours ago
      in fairness, hairdryers have to suck so they can blow
    • moi23884 hours ago
      That’s rather dry humour for such a hairy situation
      • lelandfe4 hours ago
        It went over my head, but I think they’re full of hot air anyway.
    • mmmlinux3 hours ago
      "actual gamblers"
  • nkrisc4 hours ago
    Gambling addicts will really gamble on anything, won’t they? It’s a bit strange to see degenerate gambling dressed up as “predictions”.
    • ineedasername2 hours ago
      It’s not gambling, these are legitimate financial instruments designed to allow proper risk management through appropriately market-set pricing on the value of that risk mitigation, and it’s doing this in a way that democratizes risk management in a way previously inaccessible to the public.

      j/k totally gambling

    • gwerbin4 hours ago
      This looks less like gambling addiction and more like a scam executed for profit.
      • SirFatty4 hours ago
        And who fueled the profits? Gamblers?
      • wongarsu4 hours ago
        This instance is what you could call a scam, maybe even fraud. But in the absence of manipulation or insider knowledge predicting the weather is pretty close to gambling. As is "does bitcoin go up or down in the next five minutes" or "how many tweets will Elon Musk post in the next couple days" (all real bets on Polymarket)
      • chneu4 hours ago
        Yes, gambling. That's literally what gambling is, a scam.
        • qup4 hours ago
          Gambling takes many forms.

          If you and I flip a coin for $100, there's no scam.

          • mint53 hours ago
            It’s a scam when the house takes $1 from that $100 each time. These unlicensed internet gambling halls most certainly take their cut, whatever that amount is.
            • scottyah2 hours ago
              It's only a scam if they don't disclose that. If the house brought the two people together I'd say it's fair as services rendered. I don't get mad when a bar charges more than the base cost of the alcohol.
            • HDThoreaun19 minutes ago
              Your definition of scam is terrible
          • testing223214 hours ago
            Sooner or later someone will rig the coin
            • chucksta4 hours ago
              Potential for fraudulent activity makes something a scam? That list is gonna be long
              • Tade02 hours ago
                "Gaming"[0] companies are audited for the expected value each coin toss/slot machine roll etc. has - typically it's a high and unusually precise percentage, like e.g. 95.1681%.

                The scam in is advertising, that emphasizes how much you can potentially win, even though obviously on average the house takes those few percent each time.

                [0] A term they like to use to describe themselves.

          • hyperhello3 hours ago
            Or a spherical cow.
      • close043 hours ago
        A lot of gambling is a scam executed form profit. I call it a scam because it's not always fraudulent, it's persuasion and a dash of misleading info. Often one party unduly influences the outcome or has information that the other can't have. Whether it's corruption to predetermine the result of a match, or knowing that the star player will miss it, or a gambling machine that suggests a higher expected payout than the real one, or even a casino's rules that arbitrarily decide whether your win was legitimate or not, in practice the industry is more scam than legitimate business.
    • alansaber4 hours ago
      We rename everything to make it cooler to sell. Probably been a thing since the times of the sea people.
      • saghm3 hours ago
        Even the term "sea people" sounds cooler than "those dudes who live over there by the water"
        • gizajob2 hours ago
          Preferable to “the beaker folk of the Bronze Age”
    • troyvit3 hours ago
      I'm a "holy crap how do they keep getting the weather so wrong" addict and it's as irrational as being a gambling addict in that weather forecasts have improved a lot. I've never been tempted to gamble until now, where I realize I can put my money where my (irrational) mouth is.

      All that said, gambling addiction is like a disease, same as any other. Holding folks who have it in contempt is about the same as holding alcoholics in contempt. It ignores the fact that it's a real affliction and not a lifestyle choice. Polymarket is taking advantage of that affliction.

      • cyclopeanutopia2 hours ago
        You seem to ignore the fact that most people know how bad alcohol, gambling, cigarettes and other addictive things are, yet they still choose them and then suffer consequences.

        If you asked someone whether they wanted to get ass cancer and they told you: "yeah, yolo", wouldn't it be a contempt-worthy choice? It would.

        • troyvit41 minutes ago
          Nah I just have compassion for people. For one thing, not everybody knows how bad those things are. If all you see is that "fun uncle" who's always drunk, you learn that drinking isn't so bad. Couple that with being bombarded by positive messages around drinking and the popular belief that anything in moderation is OK, and you end up doing them. The very act of doing them obscures the consequences you are suffering. That's chemical.

          The same thing happens with gambling, but it's a dopamine rush instead of an alcohol rush.

          I'm not saying people have no agency, I'm just saying there's a lot more going on than just agency.

    • vrganj2 hours ago
      How is it any different from the stock market?

      (Whether you read this as a defense of polymarket or an indictment of shareholder capitalism might depend on your ideology)

    • fleroviumnaan hour ago
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  • xg153 hours ago
    I think what's also telling is Polymarket's non-reaction to this. If there are obvious concerns that the outcome was manipulated, I'd expect them to invalidate the bet - otherwise they're effectively incentivising manipulation.
    • solumos2 hours ago
      Polymarket is simply an exchange for these sorts of “contracts” and the results are verified by a separate entity (it’s a DAO, which of course can be manipulated, and was the subject of controversy due to some Venezuela invasion-related “market” resolutions)
      • HDThoreaun17 minutes ago
        Poly market resolution has a long history of controversy. Going back years now the DAO has essentially scammed users with questionable resolutions.
    • arealaccount2 hours ago
      If anything this was great free advertising for their platform
    • mint52 hours ago
      No no no, the outcome revealed new information as the market intends! That info is that people had discounted the rare weather event “a 10% chance of localized hairdryers” on the day in question. The bettor predicted this better than everyone else, making their info public by placing a bet!!! /s
  • cnj5 hours ago
    It never occurred to me that Goodhart's law could be applied to betting, but here we are :)
  • boringg5 hours ago
    Is there a bet available to determine if the weather forecasted was impacted by a hair dryer?
    • LeifCarrotson2 hours ago
      That's effectively what all the 99% or 1% prediction markets are: a bet that an asteroid will destroy the planet or that the Rapture will occur or that we'll all upload our consciousnesses into computronium or whatever is not actually a bet that those events will happen (and that the site and enough of the economy will survive to allow you to collect and spend your winnings), it's a bet that the market will resolve incorrectly.
    • cosmojg4 hours ago
      That's not a bad idea. It actually sounds like it could be a very useful hedge/insurance play.
      • wongarsu4 hours ago
        That'd be easier to game than "will somebody run onto the field in the next $sports game". Just bet yes and bring a hair dryer. Make sure somebody posts evidence to X so you can cash out
        • Anon10963 hours ago
          If the yes side is heavily favored because it's a "sure thing" then there will eventually be people who bet no and hire guards (or go themselves) to defend the weather sensor from the hairdryer-wielders.
          • saghm3 hours ago
            This could be the origin of a new sport, and then betting on it would become even more common
  • declan_roberts4 hours ago
    I can't believe there's no honor among the gamblers!
  • swader9994 hours ago
    Finally some hacking news!
  • staplung2 hours ago
    They said that Cobra would never acquire the pieces of the Weather Dominator. Now we’re doomed!
  • HeavyStorm3 hours ago
    If that happened, has a crime been committed? I don't think so. Well, maybe tampering with the thermometer might be a crime, but, on the gambling angle, I would say it's not.
    • AureliusMA2 hours ago
      The betting contract depended on the Oracle's data for resolution. The Oracle's data was altered. The betting contract wasn't altered, however the social contract was.
    • JohnMakin3 hours ago
      If you cheat a casino, you go to jail.
  • Arn_Thor4 hours ago
    Maybe it's bad to let people bet on anything, huh
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  • greatgib2 hours ago
    Just to be clear, my understanding of news here is France is that there is an investigation for someone having possibly rigged the weather sensor but there was nothing release about how this could have been done.

    The hair dryer thing is a joke, even if it is still a possibility, but just to say, it could be a cover, it could be a hot air gun, it could be a hack, it could be just luck, ...

    Take care because there are ai generated videos of a guy with a hair dryer doing that, but these are fake!

  • ghstinda4 hours ago
    hilarious title, engadget is still quality after all these years
  • damnitbuilds3 hours ago
    Is that better or worse than invading Venezuela to rig a Polymarket bet ?
  • Uptrenda3 hours ago
    lulz futures paying off as usual
  • zobzu4 hours ago
    climate change via hair drier ;D
  • avazhi4 hours ago
    A fool and his money etc etc.

    You love to see it.

  • mac3n2 hours ago
    is this what the cryptobros are doing now?
  • fleroviumnaan hour ago
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