38 pointsby jilles3 hours ago13 comments
  • TrackerFFan hour ago
    Mogging is vocabulary from the incel-community whcih has unfortunately become mainstream. As with so much other incel garbage (like x-maxxing and x-pilling).

    EDIT: Around 16 years ago I was very much into bodybuilding and fitness, and spent a lot of time on the bodybuilding misc forum. Around that time the incel community started to take shape, and you had forums like PUA hate and other dark corners of the internet. These people were also very active on the bodybuilding forums, and would try to steer users over to the incel communities (interesting note: These communities started out as a place where unsuccessful men could vent over having spent money on pick-up artists, without any results).

    Those places had a very distinct lingo, which is the very same that you see today with mogging / maxxing / pilling / etc. They even had a glossary.

    Were those words older than those communities? Yes, very much so. But they've been completely hi-jacked, and any modern usage comes from those communities.

    • amiga386an hour ago
      Consider the possibility that the general public enjoy neologisms regardless of their source, and will take and adapt them just for fun, without ascribing to the ideologies of the coiners.

      Also consider that people are laughing at the cant and its speakers, rather than with them.

      If you need evidence of this, try saying this without laughing: "Clavicular was mid jestergooning when a group of Foids came and spiked his Cortisol levels. Is Ignoring the Foids while munting and mogging moids more useful than SMV chadfishing in the club?"

    • phrotoma25 minutes ago
      For completeness, x-maxxing morphed out of "minmaxing" in gaming culture.

      https://old.reddit.com/r/rpg_gamers/comments/kew14o/ok_what_...

      It was fine before they got hold of it.

      • embedding-shape15 minutes ago
        > x-maxxing morphed out of "minmaxing" in gaming culture.

        Which comes from RPGs, the old school tabletop ones. Then I don't know if the ML/DS term "Minmax" predates the RPGs or if it's the other way around, neither would surprise me.

        • phrotoma8 minutes ago
          Er shit, thanks for the correction. That's what I thought I was linking to. I'm not good at reddit.
    • jjicean hour ago
      > But they've been completely hi-jacked, and any modern usage comes from those communities.

      Couldn't you say the same thing about it breaking out into the wider Gen Z vocabulary as well?

  • kryogen1c2 hours ago
    Maybe im not in the target audience, but i had to look up what mogging is because its not explained anywhere
    • imzadian hour ago
      There's an interesting Behind the Bastards podcast about the rise of incel culture and its push into mainstream. It's called "From Elliot Rodger to Clavicular." They talk about the language of incels and how their vocabulary tends to end up in the mainstream at a surprising rate compared to other fringe cultures. "Mogging" is one of those terms that comes from incels.
      • alphawhiskyan hour ago
        My theory is that these people are the stewards of internet culture. Moderators, meme creators, leaders of niche online communities. Therefore the jokes they make spread a lot more easily due to exposure.
        • imzadia minute ago
          I think part of it is that people use it ironically to make fun of incel culture but then it gets absorbed into our language unironically. Similar to how AAVE ends up in mainstream language because non-Black people use it ironically (more to make fun of themselves), but then it ends up becoming an everyday part of the language.
      • ModernMech37 minutes ago
        Damn I read that kid's manifesto, he was very messed up. It's crazy that there's a throughline from him to today. He should have been the wakeup call.
    • TrackerFFan hour ago
      It's incel-speak for dominating someone.

      "IQ-mogged" would mean that person A was dominated/overshadowed/etc. by person B because person B is very smart.

      "Height-mogged" would mean the same, but due to height.

      • elicashan hour ago
        That I, an old person, know what it means suggests that it has already gone from (1) the incel or whatever community usage, to (2) ironic usage by others, and then finally to (3) widespread usage entirely divorced from the original meaning.
        • Blahah39 minutes ago
          Nah you just know a young person or have found your way into an incel information stream. It doesn't mean you represent a large population.
          • elicash33 minutes ago
            Then we're in (2) and I'm hip and ahead of the curve!
        • alphawhiskyan hour ago
          Nah it kept it's meaning, just spread more. If anything, the level of abstraction grew. "Mogged' used to be a standalone phrase, but now it's always "___mogged".
          • elicashan hour ago
            Maybe I phrased it poorly, but I just mean the context for it changed as it became mainstream. I wouldn't say it's still "incel-speak."
      • chrisweeklyan hour ago
        not just "incel" culture, at least not any more
        • mcmcmcan hour ago
          Yep thanks to the man-o-sphere incel culture has become mainstream for young men and boys
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    • rout395742 hours ago
      The know your meme page on it is extensive. My distillation is:

      Mogging is behaving as though you expect everyone is going to think you're great because of how you look; in particular that you think you look better than someone right next to you.

    • Cthulhu_43 minutes ago
      What I gathered is that "mog" is from "amog" which means "alpha male of the group", which makes "mogging" being "out-alpha'd". Which isn't new, it goes back years if not decades to the "alpha male" trends through "pick-up artists" to modern-day incel/bro/manosphere/etc subcultures.

      I know the author from about ten years ago and I'm not surprised he's into it. But also he's Dutch so it's probably used very much ironically / as a joke here.

    • nailer2 hours ago
      I only heard of it due to a memecoin, and people trying to promote the memecoin using the ‘point at you, laughing cat’ emoji combo.
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  • amiga386an hour ago
    Ironically, Cloudflare won't let Cloudflare Cloudflare:

    https://sitemogging.com/mogged/asda.com-vs-tesco.com

    asda.com uses Cloudflare to block Cloudflare

    tesco.com uses Akamai to block Cloudflare

    • Michael666an hour ago
      This is a well explained project. Thanks for sharing the implementation details.
  • ale4222 minutes ago
    Interesting: "whitehouse.gov cannot be mogged because it resolves or redirects to a private/internal network address."
  • endymion-lightan hour ago
    Not sure about this one - my slightly terrible portfolio website that i'm in the process of completely revamping (bemben.co.uk) managed to mog simon wilsons webblog (https://simonwillison.net/) - which is a far better website in all aspects!

    Maybe introduce some additional stats like load times, content analysis etc - and tweak the prompt slightly - just because a website looks slightly newer, doesn't mean it's better at all!

    • embedding-shapean hour ago
      Fun that we both used simonw as the "competitor", and both of our more minimalistic websites won over him! :)

      So the obvious next step is to pit them against each other, seems your "premium, editorial feel" won out!

      > bemben.co.uk wins due to its sophisticated use of typography and a cohesive dark-mode aesthetic that creates a premium, editorial feel. While emsh.cat is functional and clean, it lacks the intentional visual hierarchy and character found in the layout of bemben.co.uk.

      • endymion-light17 minutes ago
        I love it saying typography being sophisticated - I have two fonts, one font being from indieground.net!
  • embedding-shape2 hours ago
    I don't know what "site mogging" is, but apparently "emsh.cat mogged simonwillison.net" with the following description:

    > emsh.cat wins due to its superior use of negative space and a more intentional, minimalist typographic hierarchy that creates a sophisticated reading experience. While simonwilliam.net provides high information density, emsh.cat achieves a more polished and modern aesthetic through its refined layout and balanced composition.

    So "mogged" is about minimalism somehow? Fancy/modern term for "beauty" or similar?

    • deepsquirrelnetan hour ago
      I think it means which site is numberwang.
    • jszymborskian hour ago
      Mogging is gen z alphabro/incel speak for "dominating" another that gets used ironically. If I'm taller than you, I might say "get heightmogged". This is used to absurdity, where one is able to get mogged in any number of varieties, including having the nicer website "sitemogged?"

      https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/mogging

      • xg15an hour ago
        So it's basically "owned", just a generation later...

        Didn't know Jacob Rees-Mogg was so popular with the kids... (please not)

        • amiga386an hour ago
          "owning" generally requires doing something to the other person, such as defeating them in an online shooter

          Whereas you "mog" simply by being within range of the other person, you don't even have to interact, but a third party can see your natural advantages over that other person, thus "mogging" them.

          • JumpCrisscrossan hour ago
            Oh, that’s actually usefully different from any other English word that comes to mind. (And more playful than eclipsing.)
      • embedding-shapean hour ago
        So, this would be cperciva HN-mogging sanj, basically? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35079

        > cperciva on July 18, 2007 "Did you win the Putnam?" Yes, I did.

        • jszymborski33 minutes ago
          I'd say more like Putnam-mogging, but yes, 100% mogging.
      • DonHopkinsan hour ago
        SNL made fun of it:

        Weekend Update: Chad Maxxington on the Art of Looksmaxxing

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XMPLdiXB1k

        Can't wait till South Park makes fun of it!

        • Cthulhu_32 minutes ago
          Cartman will jestermog every looksmaxxer.
  • mlacksan hour ago
    Shame about the screenshotting feature - it doesn't afford the ability for a more interactive site to really showcase itself.

    Good example: The site of the family office of the heir to the Nintendo empire only got a 4/10 https://www.y-n10.com/

  • trizozaan hour ago
    Haha, great project. I had no idea what mogging means, but my underdog site apparently mogged the segment leader: https://sitemogging.com/mogged/dles.aukspot.com-vs-dles.gg
  • tyleo2 hours ago
    This is a fun tool. I compared https://www.tyleo.com to Hacker News and won (Hacker News got 2.7, not hard to beat).

    What I really wanted though was just a way to get my own site’s score without having a competitor.

  • fluffetan hour ago
    I love it. It turns out my friends site is mogging mine. Can't let this stand, time to vibe. Thank you for prompting me to act.
  • xg15an hour ago
    I love how Hacker News seems to loose out to basically everything, even example.com ("such intentional use of whitespace!")
    • Iuliohan hour ago
      I mean, yeah, that’s to be expected.

      The site is intentionally kept visually unappealing.

      • randallsquared41 minutes ago
        It appeals to a different set of users, I'd say. I strongly prefer it, as it's easy to skim and easy to use.
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