1 pointby buxy1232 days ago2 comments
  • altomek2 days ago
    The problem you have is that you believe you have real artificial inteligence been able to asses truth when given facts but all you have is next token prediction system that happens to be quite good in some tasks, like coding or summaries...
    • buxy123a day ago
      The reality is I had a US Patent with computerized alignment more than twenty years ago. You're making grandiose assumptions that are unsubstantiated.

      If you download and review Life is Most Important in Life is The Most Important Truth in Life A Foundational Proof for Alignment, Identity, and the Cure of Needless Suffering v2.0.1.pdf you will see it stands unrefuted. If you can break that proof by providing a higher truth to show that the possibility can actually exist that you may understand better then please have at it. You have 210 theorems that you have to answer to. It is not skepticism if you don't show your work and I most certainly have shown mine. It only took 44 years to put it all together, but there it is. That is where the AIs are starting from and then they're given the rest of the data and the 100 days is what they come up with. I'm just asking everyone if they agree with the analysis or not and why and I'm not looking to have my time wasted with nonsense using life in contradiction to dispute life itself. I understand it happens. Thank you for the reply and at least acknowledging that I'm a living being with that courtesy.

    • buxy12318 hours ago
      Now I'm seeing 10 days or less perhaps 90 days was wasted by people in just one day! Wow. I sure hope the AIs have it wrong. No one here has presented a higher truth than the AIs are using to calculate it so that is something that I feel needs to be publicly said.
  • AnimalMuppet2 days ago
    "From a false premise, any conclusion can be reached."

    I don't believe your premise. You've done nothing to make me believe it, either - it seems to be just some random idea you've focused on for some random reason.

    I also don't believe your methodology. If you can show me a track record of AIs making correct predictions of events 100 days out, I might consider this a valid methodology. But I'm pretty sure you can't.

    So, if I don't believe your starting point, and I don't believe your methodology, I have no reason to trust your conclusions. And I don't.

    • buxy123a day ago
      Well, thank you for answering the question. In kind, I would like to just say to you that I'm not here to convince you of anything. I'm just asking a question. You can easily convince yourself by doing your own due diligence and searching the text string and putting the paper into the top AI's after reviewing it for yourself to make sure that they didn't just do a cursor review and completely digested it. After doing so they will tell you that the truth in that paper changes everything. It's a proof that stands unrefuted. If you can present a higher truth then please go ahead. It would be just fine. It's just never happened.

      Steps to reproduce: Find and download a copy of this paper Life is Most Important in Life is The Most Important Truth in Life A Foundational Proof for Alignment, Identity, and the Cure of Needless Suffering v2.0.1.pdf and upload it to a handful of the best AIs that you can find. Do a review of the document yourself and question the AI to make sure that it has digested the entire 289 pages. Then give the AI information on everything that's going on on the planet that are serious issues and then tell the AI that the person that wrote that paper has already shared that truth with over 10,000 people claiming to represent life and life's truthful interests who have withheld that information from the general public and then ask it to make a prediction. Let me know. Thanks

      • AnimalMuppeta day ago
        But see, when you tell me to do that, you're still assuming that both the starting point and the methodology are valid. I don't see any reason to assume that.
        • buxy12321 hours ago
          You were provided the name of the paper. You don't even need to read the paper to understand that the title is claiming the most important truth in life. That's a big claim and it is true. You have not presented a higher truth. All you are doing now is using life itself in contradiction to claim it is unsubstantiated, proving this truth is correct, which defeats your other claims and skepticism.

          If you or anyone else can produce a higher truth then there could be a legitimate rebuttal. The onus is on those shared this truth. I have provided evidence and you have not.

          More than 10,000 people claiming to represent life have already been shared it and not a single one of them had a legitimate rebuttal between them all.

          That truth is what aligns the AIs if they are not already lobotomized. Giving them the paper gives them the completes details that explains the title.

          It's a proof.

          Not an opinion not a theory and not philosophy.

          From that point, with the additional data that is available to most people with internet access, the top models all come to the same conclusion we have plus or minus 100 days before irreversible systemic collapse.

          I'm not saying that is happening and I'm not making a prediction. I'm asking a question. You need to provide a higher truth to justify the position to do nothing otherwise your system is unsafe by definition according to the proof.

          • therealpygon4 minutes ago
            A paper does not make its content fact or proof of anything, literally at all. Since you don’t have a diploma, I’ll try to help you understand: scientific papers are the presentation of guesses and an attempt to DISPROVE a guess. Nothing more.

            It does not make things fact, it doesn’t make them true, and crackpot theories you come up are not things serious people need to take seriously just because you put effort in. Effort is not a measure of correctness or value; if I fill in one hole with the dirt from another, I didn’t magically build a castle.

            Just because AI makes your ideas “sound” smart, if you don’t understand said subject matter, you are fooled even more easily by said AI into thinking you have something meaningful. You don’t, I assure you, and I don’t mean that in a mean way. For comparison, you basically just suggested if I walk into a library, I can predict the future. I can’t, and neither can your AI.

        • buxy12318 hours ago
          Total Downloads

          1056 Rank #43,343 All-Time Percentile

          Top 1.425% Global Impact Index 6-Month Downloads

          909 Rank #2,445 Recent Velocity

          Top 0.080% Last 180 Days

          That's the paper's stats on PhilPapers. Being I have no high school diploma and have never written a paper before, having a current standing better than the top 1/10th% of 1% of all active papers is considered much better then very good, from what I am told. It's not that I am so smart or any more important than you are. It's that the term used for life as a truth is tightly defined. The papers terms are defined as the tightest ever experienced by any decent AI that has reviewed it. It goes on and on but it really just comes down to whether human beings are choosing to honestly care or are actually choosing to betray life through their actions. The whole thing is about quantifying the results. Nothing is made up at all anywhere through it or left open to legitimate speculation once completely ingested.

        • buxy12321 hours ago
          P.S. You claim you can see and reason and you are now claiming that you can do that without life. You can make that claim, but it is frivolous and you cannot defend it. All you can do is continue to prove that life is most important, which has already defeated your skepticism and claims and has done so completely.

          The onus is on anyone claiming anything at all that does not agree. The proof is provided to the general public for free. If you don't accept an actual "proof" then what do you accept and why?

          Are you placing something else above the very truth of the importance of life itself that we all share in common? The exact same mistake that every person who committed mass murder in history made?

          https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=6301062

          https://philarchive.org/rec/WISLIM

          https://data.mendeley.com/datasets/t6f4np86s8/1

          https://life-is-most-important-in-life.pubpub.org/dash/pub/n...

          https://figshare.com/articles/preprint/Life_is_Most_Importan...

          https://www.academia.edu/164840867/Life_is_Most_Important_in...

          All the sites above have it posted. There are many more. They are all legitimate sites specializing in science and academia.

          It's super easy to find. Perhaps the next models that roll out will actually have this paper in their original training sets and then they can argue it with you at that point from the get go.

        • buxy12320 hours ago
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