9 pointsby JumpCrisscross2 hours ago11 comments
  • dusted25 minutes ago
    I always thought it was an elegant and respectful solution. Instead of harassing existing addicts into quitting, ease out of general addiction by forbidding those who haven't yet had the opportunity to get addicted, yes, of course some will still be, but it will be vastly fewer than when it's illegal. It's different from weed in that, while it makes you look cool, it's simply nowhere near as fun..
  • kelseyfrog28 minutes ago
    > I vehemently insist on the right of my fellow humans to smoke.

    You still have the right to bodily autonomy. What sellers don't have is the right to sell something that kills their clients and has obvious consequences en mass.

    Just grow your own tobacco, cure it, process it, and roll your own cigarettes. Think of it like building your own Linux distro. You always had that ability, but didn't exercise it. Now you can.

  • Scroll_Swe20 minutes ago
    Dont really care.

    Not in the UK but in Sweden. Smoking is already banned in restaurants, on train platforms, mostly all in public.

    With health care being tax funded in regions, I dont want to pay for smokers bad health.

    "oh but do you want to tax or prohibit unhealthy foods!!??"

    Yes, first remove all drinks with sugar or heavily tax them. Not needed. Zero sugar drinks only.

    2nd - price hike on snacks, chips, nuts, chocolate, "pick n mix" candy, sugar candy

    3rd - BMI based health. Want any help for pain, surgery, whatever and your BMI is over 25? Lower it and you get it. Do you smoke? Stop. Do nicotine? Stop. Any hard drugs? Stop.

    • mrbukkake10 minutes ago
      yes very swedish response, aggressively conformist and narrow minded
  • calvinmorrison12 minutes ago
    I love smoking
  • quickthrowman26 minutes ago
    Cigarettes exist solely to keep people smoking, they’re an insidious product. It’s a corporation weaponizing addiction to profit while causing cancer and COPD. You’re either addicted, or you aren’t. There are no pleasurable psychoactive effects, only relief from nicotine withdrawal. Humans are better off without tobacco, or cigarettes at least.

    This solution at least lets the current addicts maintain their addiction, but there are much safer ways to get nicotine these days if you want it, lozenges, vapes, pouches.

  • clutter555612 hours ago
    This is stupid. Smoking has high social negative externality. It causes cancer to the smoker and to others around the smoker. Who pays for the treatment of those affected? All tax payers.

    Want to die? Die fast, not in a way that waste everyone’s money, and don’t take others with you.

    • mytailorisrichan hour ago
      In the UK it is forbidden to smoke in public places and the revenue from taxes on cigarettes is several times what the healthcare service spends on smoking-related illnesses.

      So I'd say things are already exactly as you wish.

      • greggoBan hour ago
        > the revenue from taxes on cigarettes is several times what the healthcare service spends on smoking-related illnesses.

        I'd be interested to see this - you have a source you can link for it?

        • mytailorisrich29 minutes ago
          Google is still around: revenue is at £8 billion (Office for Budget Responsibility) and in decline, and NHS spending is at £2.6 billion in England, which is by far the bulk of the UK (NHS England).
          • Dumblydorr18 minutes ago
            Extraordinary claims require evidence, not snarky Google mentions. Spending amounts are for what specifically? Do those 2.6 billion account for second and third hand smoke? For smoking in pregnancy leading to problems?
            • mytailorisrich13 minutes ago
              I didn't make any extraordinary claims...

              Most of the price of a pack of cigarettes in the UK is tax. It is well known that revenue is higher than cost to healthcare service (NHS, which is funded via general taxation), and data are public and very easily found. My previous comment with data was indeed literally the result of two Google queries (revenue amd cost) and were from official sources, which I mentioned.

              You don't like the data? Fine. You want to do your own detailed research and enligthen us? Fine. I didn't comment to be cross-examined to death...

      • armada65139 minutes ago
        > So I'd say things are already exactly as you wish.

        Except, you know, the "don't take others with you" part.

        That is a crucial, fundamental part of liberalism that people often skip over. Everyone only seems to remember the "I have the freedom to do whatever I want" part and skip over the "until that freedom impedes the freedom of others" part.

        • mytailorisrich31 minutes ago
          Absolutely, which is why smoking in public, offices, bars, restaurants, etc is banned...
  • calvinmorrison12 minutes ago
    I love smoking cigarettes.
  • fancyfredbotan hour ago
    Shocking. They'll be banning cocaine and heroin next!
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  • watwut38 minutes ago
    Wait till you hear about trans issues there.
  • busterarm2 hours ago
    Liberalism left UK politics decades ago and their voters practically begged for it.