How well do LLMs work outside English? We tested 8 models in 8 languages [pdf](info.rws.com)
2 pointsby curioussquirrel2 hours ago2 comments
  • Erndoban hour ago
    Besides how well something works, I am really curious if there’s any divergence that comes from different grammar in languages.

    As in, the way languages are structured is different. Some are more precise, some are less, the information density per syllable is different, etc.

    So besides just pure performance due to differences in training data, I’m curious if there’s some fundamental difference in the way LLMs interact with data in different languages even if end information is the same. Because even just in English, phrasing slightly different can yield different results.

    Edit: would be interesting to see the “thinking” of the model done in different languages. Is identical problem thought about more or less the same, or does agent go on different train of thought depending on the language it is thinking in?

    • curioussquirrelan hour ago
      I am fairly convinced that there's a certain polyglot snowball effect: once the LLM is fluent in 20 languages, it can pick up on similarities in vocabulary, syntax etc. and learn the 21st language with much less effort (and training data). This might be difficult to actually study in an isolated way, but it's a real effect for humans and it makes sense the the pattern matchers that LLMs are would find these shortcuts.

      Using similar words should land you in similar places in the latent space, even if they actual word or their order is slightly different. Where it gets interesting is how well English words map to their counterparts in other languages, and what practical differences it makes. From various studies, it seems that the gravitational pull of English language/culture training data is substantial, but an LLM can switch cultures and values when prompted in different languages.

    • curioussquirrelan hour ago
      Just saw your thinking edit! That's a great question and one I wanted to study in depth, but these days you don't really get access to the raw thinking data. It's usually summarized and you can't even be sure what language the model thought in unless you have access to the logits (so only viable for open-weights models).
  • curioussquirrel2 hours ago
    Disclosure: I work at RWS/TrainAI, we did this study. Recently I alluded to it in a comment and was encouraged to share it, so here it is! We focus on multilingual proficiency, which tends to be understudied: most benchmarks are English-heavy or even English-only and don't tell you much about how models actually perform across languages. This is our second iteration of the study. 120 linguists, 8 models, 8 languages, 4 tasks, every output blind-reviewed by 3 native speakers.

    Some notable insights:

    - GPT-5 is strong at text normalization and translation but regressed on content generation vs GPT-4o. Chinese outputs had spacing/punctuation issues, Polish read like "translationese" even with no source text.

    - Gemini 2.5 Pro scored 4.56/5 on Kinyarwanda. In our first study (late 2024), no model could produce coherent text in that language.

    - Top LLMs outscored humans working under realistic constraints (time-limited, single pass, no QA). Humans didn't rank 1st in any language. (We're now planning a follow-up to zoom in on that.)

    - Tokenizer efficiency matters again: reasoning models burn 5-10x more tokens thinking. Claude Sonnet 4.5 encodes Tamil at 1.19 chars/token vs Gemini's 4.24 — ~3.5x cost difference for the same output. There has been a lot of talk about the Opus 4.7 tokenizer, this is the same issue, just in multilingual setting.

    If you find the study useful and want to help us convince the execs to keep funding this, a signup on the landing page goes a long way: https://www.rws.com/artificial-intelligence/train-ai-data-se...

    Happy to answer questions!

    • curioussquirrel2 hours ago
      One more thing: we're working on a multilingual benchmark that will evaluate core linguistic proficiency in 30 languages. We already have a lot of data internally and I can tell you that:

      - Gemini 3 Pro is a multilingual monster.

      - GPT-5.4 is a really good translation model, big improvements over previous subversions in the 5 family.

      - Opus 4.6 is good but usually third place.

      - Somehow, Grok 4.20 is surprisingly good at some long-tail languages? Its performance profile is really odd. Unlike all the other models.

      EDIT: layout