20 pointsby kordlessagain3 hours ago7 comments
  • jqpabc1232 hours ago
    He argued that AI systems are already capable of tackling genuinely complex challenges.

    And they are already capable of making a genuine mess of things --- particularly over the long term.

    Some AI models are sorta OK at writing code. None of them are very good at maintaining it. Straightening out the mess that AI makes is going to be even harder and more costly after the labor market for developers retracts.

    • readitalready2 hours ago
      AI models are now better than humans at writing code. Yes, even the world's top coders. Please catch up to the state-of-the-art and learn to build your workflow to make sure the AI agents are writing good code. If your AI agent is writing terrible code or not maintaining them properly, that's a YOU problem.
      • therobots9272 hours ago
        That is complete bullshit. If you actually believe that, then you’re almost certainly either a manager or an IC specializing in CSS, HTML, or JavaScript.
        • skinner_an hour ago
          My use case is wildly different from CSS, HTML etc. I use numerical algorithms to solve problems in pure mathematics. AI models are now better than me and my colleagues at writing code, and we are pretty good in the first place. The catch is that we do not ask AI to write whole applications, we ask it to implement building blocks like "For finite X subset R^d, find all pairs (Y, Z), Y subset X, Z subset X such that Y and Z are congruent".
        • readitalready2 hours ago
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          • therobots9272 hours ago
            Or maybe you’re not actually that smart and your expertise lies in the middle of the skill distribution where AI excels.

            “I see arrogant retards everywhere that think they're smarter than AI.”

            Your highly offensive reference to the intellectually disabled reads as projection.

  • pixel_poppingan hour ago
    I disagree, Anthropic has data to deduct and predict probably more accurately than experts, maybe not the best experts, but at least average ones.
    • mrbungie39 minutes ago
      Is psychohistory a thing now? They are just another actor, for sure they have relevant usage data but (1) their view are biased in multiple ways (at least due to perverse incentives), knowingly and unknowingly (2) they are experts in their field, but not necessarily in sociology, economy, and politics, which are arguably necessary to make serious, even if ineffective, predictions about what's going to happen with labor.

      I'd rather see what institutions such as NBER have to say than to blindly trust frontier AI labs that won't even publish their methodologies most of the time.

  • slava_an hour ago
    I don't understand why debates on "AI effect on economy" are switching to "how good AI will be". It's not about "is technology capable" but about market response. and it's so random and unpredictable, so heavily depends on the sentiment, economic conditions, regulations.
  • Glemllksdf3 hours ago
    Doesn't matter anyway what exactly they are saying.

    On one side you can interpolate in what direction it can go, than you can also add the general speed we are currently seeying and then you can try it out yourself.

    The conclusion?

    1. its clear that currently its critical to be aware of whats going on. With this you can act sooner or be part of this

    2. if it hits hard but not too hard, you might have an advantage because you know how to use it

    3. if its stalls you can reduce your effort in this area

  • therobots9272 hours ago
    Yann is a serious person in a very unserious field. He will be vindicated sooner than you think.
    • ETH_start2 hours ago
      LeCun is saying that AI will create jobs — a sentiment I agree with.
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  • ekjhgkejhgk3 hours ago
    LeCun is playing the game, Amodei is playing the meta game.

    Amodei's intention is to signal to the corporate world that his product is extremely valuable because they might be able to fire half of their entry level people. Amodei doesn't care whether that's actually true, it's just a sales pitch. Amodei is advertising his product, but LeCun thinks he's making predictions.

    • bambu2 hours ago
      Bad bot.
    • rexpop2 hours ago
      You make it sound as if Amodei is just playing the game—"make a profit"—while LeCun is playing the meta-game—"participate in building a functional society."
    • therobots9272 hours ago
      Lying to hype your product is not a “meta game”. It’s a short term strategy where you trade your future relevance and credibility for a swimming pool full of cash.

      Yann LeCun is a Turing award winning research scientist who will be remembered as a scientist and a visionary.

      Amodei’s name will go the way of WeWork’s Adam Neumann - it will be mostly forgotten, and only remembered on occasion as a massive and embarrassing fraud.

      • Rover2222 hours ago
        Yann is this your throwaway account?