90 pointsby Teever6 hours ago13 comments
  • beardyw4 hours ago
    It takes much longer to regain trust that it takes to lose it.
  • calmbonsai6 hours ago
    Good. Many Canadians view Carney as a "war-time" PM and I think that's accurate.

    The Trump administration has treated Canada and Canadians appallingly. It will take many years and another President, but I hope the U.S. can repair relations. The onus is on us.

    Canada honored its commitments. The U.S. started this stupid trade war.

    • CoastalCoder4 hours ago
      I fear it's going to take more than just one other president.

      Now we've all see what one bad POTUS can do to the world, and I don't know if/how/why the world would trulyove past that.

      It reminds me of the Twilight Zone episode "The Shelter" [0].

      [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shelter_(The_Twilight_Zone...

    • swat53534 minutes ago
      It's not just Canada, who is going to trust US anymore?

      Certainly no Europe after tarrifs, NATO, Ukraine, and this war..

      Certainly not GCC after this war

      Certainly not Asia after this war

      Certainly not Japan after the awful "nuke" jokes and abuses .. like really? Who is on US aside?

      Dems can try all they want, but the US trust is gone imo.

    • throwatdem123115 hours ago
      It’s gonna take more than a dem POTUS sucking up to us to fix this. MAGA will outlast Trump and the everlasting threat of another lunatic Republican president doing this crap again means this isn’t going away as easily as replacing a president.
      • hyperman14 hours ago
        Before Trump, there was Bush Jr. The world's view on him was also dim, but 9/11/2001 made the world cut the USA a lot of slack. It turns out he was the new normal, instead of a temporary savage spot. Trump is not the only USA leader in the back of the world's mind.
        • wk_end3 hours ago
          Bush II was awful in all sorts of ways; it's not crazy to say that as chaotic as Trump's first presidency was, it was nowhere near as destructive as Bush's terms. I in no way want to white-wash Bush, which I feel like some people have done in the wake of Trump.

          But despite that, Bush's presidency was generally continuous with American presidencies since World War II. He still, at root, steered the ship as though he were a believer in the narrative of America as a leader of the free world, rather than as a selfish actor who needs to get one over on everyone else in order to get ahead. Regardless of the world's judgement of Bush, I don't think it sowed much doubt in many minds about their overall relationship with America, and not just because of 9/11 or because he was just one president. The US could have continued electing Bushes forever and not much would have changed.

          Whereas: Trump's presidency - especially this second term - is utterly destabilizing. He's single-handedly destroyed America's soft power and place in the world.

  • lo_fye6 hours ago
    It wasn’t a surprise to us. It’s how Canadians already feel. Threaten our sovereignty and that’s what happens.
    • abacadaba5 hours ago
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    • nomdep6 hours ago
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      • CalRobert6 hours ago
        …yes? This is literally something the US administration has openly discussed.
        • deeg5 hours ago
          I'm hoping it was sarcasm but these days you never know.
          • Sabinusan hour ago
            If it works and you capitulate, Trump was serious. If it doesn't, and you resist, he was merely joking.

            Although the other excuse is, 'it's a negotiating tactic' but you don't see that one as much any more.

          • CalRobert5 hours ago
            I think it’s clear we do know. It’s not.
      • junon5 hours ago
        That is the official stance of the US president, yes.
      • aggakake6 hours ago
        From a Trump speech

        "Canada called me a couple of weeks ago. They want to be part of it. To which I said, well, why don't you just join our country? Become 51, become the 51st state and you get it for free,"

        Numerous other examples if you are honestly asking for evidence.

      • throwatdem123115 hours ago
        Or maybe it was Trump saying multiple times that he wanted to make Canada a state?!
  • OutOfHere5 hours ago
    It won't be long now before the US imposes sanctions on Ottawa and funds separatist movements across Canada.
    • c4202 hours ago
      Canada separatists accused of ‘treason’ after secret talks with US state department https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jan/29/david-eby-albe...
    • JohnTHaller4 hours ago
      It would be unsurprising if US-based conservative think tanks were already doing this. Worth noting that the ones we'd be unsurprised to see do this are neither conservative nor think tanks.
    • RickJWagner3 hours ago
      Conservative voting American here. I can’t imagine that happening, and have never heard of anything even remotely similar.

      I read a variety of sources, and honestly the most critical things Ive seen about Canada involved Trudeau. ( The very most critical were about Trudeau dressing in blackface, which I admit mystifies me. )

      I’d say the most prevalent attitude I see towards Canada is to wish you well. I think almost all Americans want for Canadians to be proud, independent neighbors.

      P.S. Thank you for ‘Murdoch Mysteries’, which my family watched for several seasons. It got a little too… socially oriented ( preachy, woke ) in the latter seasons for our taste, but the early years were solid gold. Great show.

      • kken2 hours ago
        Asking just to be sure: does “conservative voter” imply that you endorse the trump administration?

        A bit surprised to see this on hn at this time.

      • morkalork2 hours ago
        Do you just pretend the US's history of undermining states in central and south America doesn't exist?
      • cherry_treean hour ago
        >voting American here

        >have never heard of anything even remotely similar

        And therein lies the problem. What the parent said is something the USA has practiced in dozens of countries. For just a single example, operation cyclone had the USA arming separatist militias to fight against the Soviet afghan government. You may be familiar with one of these militia members:

        >the most well-known Arab financier and militant of the group during this period was Osama bin Laden, who would later found al-Qaeda and mastermind the September 11 attacks on the United States.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone

      • Sabinusan hour ago
        Did you vote for Trump in 2016, 2020 or 2024?

        Are you embarrassed by Trump's conduct?

        Do you think Trump is an effective leader?

  • darepublic5 hours ago
    As a Canadian I feel like this country has some problems that contribute to the brain drain south. And I feel like Trump is definitely not our friend but the situation could have been helpful to stir us up to self reflection. But I fear that instead we will just try to recreate the former status quo by whatever means and call that a victory. But what it means is the inevitable decline of this country.
    • wk_end2 hours ago
      This seems like such a strange comment to make on an article about the leader of Canada advocating for exactly the sort of national reflection you’re talking about and explicitly calling for an end to that status quo you’re worried we’ll try to recreate.
    • Kareem715 hours ago
      As a Canadian I am afraid that the more bad behavior the USA exhibits on the world stage, the easier it becomes to scapegoat and not look within at our own problems.

      It was maybe 15ish years ago when Blackberry was at its peak. A world with such a dominant tech company in Canada today seems comically impossible

    • CalRobert5 hours ago
      If it helps, it seems like half my family (well educated US-Ian’s) have a cit0001 application in to reverse the brain drain
  • bryanrasmussen4 hours ago
    Oh, it seems this has been Canadian flagged for some reason. Probably somebody favoring another flag got upset.
    • bmandale4 hours ago
      Politics are generally off topic and tend to be flagged.
  • jmyeet5 hours ago
    For additional context:

    - Carney's Davos speech (Jan 2026) evoked "workers of the world unite" [1];

    - Carney's pre-election speech (Mar 2025) claimed the old relationship with the US is over [2]; and

    - Trump's handling of Canada relations, particularly with the tariff frenzy, basically ended up giving the election to Carney [3].

    This administration is busy destroying the relationships and institutions that the US created for America's interests like NATO.

    [1]: https://www.weforum.org/stories/2026/01/davos-2026-special-a...

    [2]: https://speakola.com/political/mark-carney-response-to-trump...

    [3]: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5ypz7yx73wo

    • wk_end3 hours ago
      > Carney's Davos speech (Jan 2026) evoked "workers of the world unite"

      No it didn't. He gave it as an example of something people behind the Iron Curtain didn’t believe but parroted "to avoid trouble, to signal compliance, to get along".

      The man is a banker. The implication that Carney - arguably the most neoliberal leader Canada has ever seen - is a communist is absurd.

  • Teever5 hours ago
    The speech: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk2TZwkhi4E

    First off, the difference in diction between PM Mark Carney and other world leaders is startling. Clear, cogent reasoning with rhetoric meant to impart on the listener that the speaker respects them and the presentation of an actual plan instead of just concepts of one is refreshing.

    Second. I've been finding it more and more difficult to communicate online with Americans or people who have succumbed to contemporary American-brained thinking. There's something corrosive about being surrounded by slurred, infantile thinking, it seems like even the most intelligent people will eventually succumb to it and regurgitate it back because they see it as the easy road and suffer no immediate consequences for doing so.

    It's extremely frustrating to see this come from American oligarchs who bend the knee to a mad king with a sexual penchant for young girls. To satiate their greed people like Sam Altman and Tim Cook align themselves with the worst of American society and unctuously flatter them with gaudy bauble bribes and obsequious speeches. Sure it serves their immediate purposes but what are the long term consequences of this? Do these people realize that every time they sell a piece of their soul to increase their personal wealth it destroys a piece of their society? Do they care?

    It seems like America is rudderless now, a living ghost shambling into an uncertain but terminal future. Other countries see that now and there's a strong 'if it bleeds we can kill it' vibe after watching America deplete years of missile stocks against Iran only to watch China begin to resupply Iranian stockpiles to provide the Americans with another opportunity to deplete years more.

    Where does America go from here?

  • youngtaff5 hours ago
    And of course it's now flagged…
  • CoastalCoder6 hours ago
    My dear friends to the north: I just want to repeat how sorry many of us are for this.
    • deeg6 hours ago
      And that some of us are trying to change the situation. My reps have heard from me multiple times.
      • xena5 hours ago
        Ah yes, strongly worded letters. That is the way to fix things. They must be trembling in fear at the weight of your words.
        • AndrewDucker3 hours ago
          What do you suggest?
          • cherry_tree43 minutes ago
            * focus locally; getting invoked with local politics by supporting local candidates with your time and effort - the state department runs programs to talk to city and state officials concerning foreign policy matters and city’s and local governments can create pressure on federal representatives from those states.

            * vote with your wallet; boycotts and divestments are tools ordinary people have to effect conglomerates. Ensure your retirement money is not invested with companies engaging with the political ideas you do not agree with

            * protest; attending in person events shows leaders numbers and images that are harder to ignore than their consultants’ polling data.

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    • abirch5 hours ago
      I apologize as well; however, they need to diversify. They can't count on the USA.
    • dr_kretyn5 hours ago
      These really feel hollow. Just like "thoughts and prayers." ACK.
      • CoastalCoder4 hours ago
        What would you consider more appropriate?

        I'm not willing to start another actual civil war over Trump's presidency.

        I figured an apology was at least an improvement over not apologizing.

        • wk_endan hour ago
          FWIW, I'm a Canadian and I do appreciate it. There's a lot of raw feelings up here, but I know there's only so much any individual can do.
  • SadErn5 hours ago
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  • CalRobert6 hours ago
    Interesting that this comes as millions of Americans discover they have a claim to a Canadian passport thanks to recent rule changes. If they play they hand right (and maybe actually build housing) Canada could benefit from American brain drain.
  • aliasxneo4 hours ago
    I feel like the current state of Canada is a reflection of where things would have continued going post-2024 had something not interrupted the flow. I mean look how long the acronym has grown since then: MMIWG2SLGBTQQIA+.
    • ycucucjc3 hours ago
      Agree. Good riddance Canada.