46 pointsby jamesfinlayson3 hours ago12 comments
  • jjcman hour ago
    Since there’s a lot of assumptions on personality here, I’ll toss my perspective here.

    Worked at Atlassian for 5 years, had plenty of interactions with Mike. I wouldn’t categorize him as a jerk. I have plenty of disagreements about decisions he’s made, and I think he heavily over-hired (and is paying for it now), but a jerk he is not.

    The reality is Atlassian has mechanisms, for better or for worse, that reward social discontent - Hello (their internal Confluence instance which has Reddit-like upvoting on blogs) and their karma bot on slack. Both of which tend to result in people gamifying these to boost their social status, which as you’ve seen with Reddit, often results in a subset of people realizing negative comments get more attention than positive ones. This got out of hand and they’ve been trying to dial it back, leading to cuts like these. It’s been a problem at Atlassian for a while.

    • jacques_chester14 minutes ago
      Maybe he was a great guy. But people change. It seems as though having your brains marinated in money is highly neurotoxic, no matter how you started off.

      (Anyway: the main offence is using the term "jerk" instead of "wanker").

    • nerdsniperan hour ago
      The employee didn't call him a jerk. That was a straw-man from Atlassian. Now we're arguing over whether he's a jerk or not.

      A opposed to what actually happened: Mike (CEO) fired 19,000 people. Then Mike held a video AMA regarding the firings. Mike took the meeting from the headquarters of the NBA team he owns.

      The employee, Unterwurzacher, parodied the CEO on Slack, writing, “What’s up Outragers, just dialing in from my NBA team’s headquarters to yell at the people whose careers I’ve just pummeled.”

      Then that employee was fired.

      • jjcm44 minutes ago
        Correct, but as of writing this the two top comments were:

        > Regardless of the fact that he probably is a jerk

        and

        > Does Atlassian's CEO realize that we all now know that he really is a rich jerk?

        My comment was just meant to provide an insider perspective as a foil to those who had given theirs.

      • 8note16 minutes ago
        does this particularly qualify him as a jerk? or just that the employee takes all the risk in employment, and capitalism does wrong by rewarding owners and management vs workers?

        that he's showing off how rich he is as the result of throwing these people on the street is just part of the system weve built

        • ai_slop_hater15 minutes ago
          I would say yes, he is probably not a good person.
  • briga2 hours ago
    Regardless of the fact that he probably is a jerk, it doesn't seem like appropriate workplace behavior to be calling anyone a jerk. Just because you have free speech doesn't mean that your speech should have no consequences. Maybe it's unfair and a double standard, but to me it seems like a no-brainer that you shouldn't be calling people names in your workplace.
    • Aeolun3 minutes ago
      Regardless of whether it is 'appropriate workplace behavior' to call a jerk a jerk, firing someone for it is so far outside the range of 'appropriate behavior' that it's hard to make a comparison.
    • Freedom26 minutes ago
      With the one caveat that Australia doesn't have free speech. It's the one thing that sets the US apart and ahead of others.
    • desecratedbody2 hours ago
      I was going to write a similar comment, but it turns out that isn’t what she said but rather what Atlassian has said she suggested he is.

      https://ia.acs.org.au/article/2026/ex-atlassian-engineer-fig...

      > … It was an irrelevant personal attack and insult directed at a colleague, essentially calling him a ‘rich jerk’.

      > Unterwurzacher reportedly parodied the CEO on Slack, writing, “What’s up Outragers, just dialing in from my NBA team’s headquarters to yell at the people whose careers I’ve just pummeled.”

      • pm9044 minutes ago
        Wow. I mean, come on, thats like the least offensive thing ever. At the most, maybe tell the manager to tell them thats not the “spirit” of the workplace, but firing for this is a step too far.

        If the CEO wasn’t a jerk before he certainly is now.

        • jamesfinlayson32 minutes ago
          Yeah this should have been a quiet word from HR to not say stuff like that.
  • danny_codes2 hours ago
    I’ve noticed rich people seem to have the absolute thinnest skin. Maybe not enough bullying? Or too much? Unclear
    • colechristensena few seconds ago
      Eh, you don't hear about the ones who are well adjusted.

      Usually nobody cares if you're a poor jerk. At least unless you do something phenomenal you don't get wide attention.

      "New" rich people, especially those with power over other people, can develop plenty of complexes and insecurities that come out as weakness... like firing somebody for mocking them.

      "Old" rich, generational wealth tend to develop a set of manners and habits where they don't get noticed or embarrass themselves quite so much by displaying such weakness.

      You don't stay rich for a long time if you act like a fool.

    • pm9041 minutes ago
      Generally people in power will surround themselves with yes-men. It takes a good amount of humility and sincerity to look beyond this and deliberately choose people with a spine to listen to.

      The most charitable interpretation is that most rich/powerful people are just as flawed as everyone else. Obviously, their power/wealth makes them less deserving of that charity ultimately.

      • jamesfinlayson28 minutes ago
        > Generally people in power will surround themselves with yes-men.

        It's probably a CEO thing too - you have some vision for the company so you're going to hire people that enable that vision, not people that will question your every move.

        • vladmk12 minutes ago
          It’s not a CEO thing - just like Jerk employees exist, jerk CEOs exist too
    • therobots92743 minutes ago
      They’re downvoting you, and proving your point in doing so.
  • grebc31 minutes ago
    I’m surprised he’s not busier shutting down coal or gas plants in Australia.
  • pmdulaneyan hour ago
    I do think a sincere apology and a promise to behave himself or herself in the future should be acceptable.
    • tkelan hour ago
      Given the context (the CEO yelling at the employees), an apology from the CEO seems more appropriate.
  • ChrisArchitect42 minutes ago
    March 16 story OP;

    Some discussion then: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47478579

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  • bediger40003 hours ago
    Does Atlassian's CEO realize that we all now know that he really is a rich jerk?
    • razingeden2 hours ago
      I had no idea who he even was, but as a former user of several Atlassian products , pass me a pitchfork.
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  • pm9038 minutes ago
    Has there ever been a positive story or product out of this wretched company; which has possibly destroyed billions in value across the US software sector by forcing everyone to use their disgustingly bad project management tool? When I interviewed there (and anecdotally from the people I know that worked there), at least they seemed like a nice place to work at. But alas even that had to be destroyed.
    • denkmoon2 minutes ago
      [delayed]
    • Avicebron32 minutes ago
      lol the only atlassian engineer I knew spent 3 months 4 times a year "working remotely" from various resorts across Europe, I'm sure the 4-hour review of javascript she did per month was really worth that plus the apartment in brooklyn.. absolutely insane
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  • therobots92739 minutes ago
    Well, is he a rich jerk?