75 pointsby donohoe6 hours ago4 comments
  • thakoppno4 hours ago
    So much of the Internet is pay-walled now.

    It’s sad. It never occurred to me we’d get here.

    • pogue4 hours ago
      This is getting totally out of hand. Nobody can pay a subscription for every single news site.

      If they were smart they would do a Netflix of news where you subscribe to one service and it gives you access to a ton of different subscription news sites.

      I've tried a dozen different paywall bypass services including bpc & archive.today and I can't get it to bypass this. I think the Google Rich Text trick might work but I'm on mobile atm.

      • sssilveran hour ago
        > If they were smart they would do a Netflix of news where you subscribe to one service and it gives you access to a ton of different subscription news sites

        Isn’t this exactly what Apple News[1] is?

        [1] https://www.apple.com/apple-news/

        • badc0ffee34 minutes ago
          Except it doesn't work with links, which is usually how I find news stories. I have Apple One (which includes News), but If I click on a link to the WSJ, I get the paywall. To read the article, I have to copy the article title or headline (if I can find it!), and paste it into the News app to read it.
      • goosejuice11 minutes ago
        I'd rather have paywalls than the privacy shit storm ads on the internet brought us. Paying for content is totally fine.

        You paid to read a book. You paid for the paper. You paid to see a movie. Yeah they had/have ads but not ones that retarget and manipulate you.

        Think of how much more sane the world would be if you had to pay for Instagram and Facebook.

        I say bring on the paywall.

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      • jimjimjim3 hours ago
        Every newspaper had a price. People were happy with this.
        • etchalon3 hours ago
          People demand access to everything.
          • pogue3 hours ago
            We're talking about a news provider that is one of the 3 original broadcast systems licensed in the US (NBC, CBS, & ABC). They've been provided public journalism since the dawn of radio & TV. They've been offering access to all their articles on their news websites without a paywall since at least the 1990s.

            It's just shocking when you see media company after media company go completely behind a paywall out of the blue when last week I was reading it with advertisements.

            • raw_anon_11112 hours ago
              And CBS might as well be state controlled media and ABC just bribed Trump and very much kowtows to the administration.

              Advertisers are moving away from broadcast along with eyeballs.

            • jimjimjim2 hours ago
              With a TV there was no easy way to block ads. Sure you could change the channel or get up and do something else but people didn't bother.

              Now with news websites most people are running ad blockers. What are the news sites meant to do? Their employees are working, and they expect to be paid for that work. just like I expect to be paid for my job. Where is the money going to come from?

    • janalsncm3 hours ago
      Counterpoint: paywalls are what allow actual journalists to be on the web. If you’re not paying them, you should ask yourself why they would spend time writing something for you to read.
      • boxedemp2 hours ago
        In the 90s I spent many hours on IRC and newsgroups reading all kinds of wonderful, and some not so wonderful things. I even had my own website, with photos, a web log, and a guest book! None of us were paid.

        Sure, it wasn't as dressed up, but it was joyful and charming.

        Not everything is about money, and not everything needs to be done for money. On the contrary; money seems to drain the charm and joy.

        • jarjouraan hour ago
          So, social media is your news source, same as it is today?
        • esafakan hour ago
          But you weren't a journalist trying to earn a living.
    • jjmarr4 hours ago
      It costs money to pay journalists.

      You get that money through advertising or subscription revenue.

      Advertising revenue is gone because everyone has adblock. You couldn't adblock TV or a physical newspaper.

      Subscription revenue is gone because newspapers don't monopolize their localities. Anyone that isn't the New York Times is struggling.

      > It never occurred to me we’d get here.

      My parents were journalists. The business model has been broken before I could read.

      • goosejuice3 minutes ago
        > Advertising revenue is gone because everyone has adblock.

        Not even remotely. Meta made $200 billion in ad revenue last year. NYT ad revenue increasing 25% yoy and they show ads to subscribers.

      • nozzlegear3 hours ago
        > Subscription revenue is gone because newspapers don't monopolize their localities.

        What do you mean by this? Do you mean newspapers don't utilize their localities as much as they could, or that they're unable to create monopolies on local information nowadays?

        Just genuinely curious, I have a brother in law who's the editor at his small town newspaper, so I'm tangentially interested in this kind of thing.

        • jjmarr3 hours ago
          A local newspaper traditionally paid wire services[1] like the Associated Press or Reuters for the majority of their articles.

          They would only assign journalists for important or local content.

          The daily newspaper was a news aggregation subscription service more than a news creation service.

          It was inherently geographical because they had to print the newspaper overnight and deliver it to you every morning.

          They would also select different articles depending on what might interest readers, e.g. an Iowa paper might syndicate an article on corn subsidies that a Floridian paper would ignore.

          Computers fixed both the distribution problem and the recommendation problem.

          The New York Times can distribute news nationwide instantly and simultaneously tailor my feed to my specific interests. They can do so better than local publications thanks to economies of scale. If you do have a subscription, it won't be to the Syracuse Herald-Journal but to the New York Times.

          [1] named after telegraphic wire, which is how old this business model is.

      • TheDong3 hours ago
        Not mentioned is taxes.

        A free press is important to democracy, so the government should move some tax money to journalists, and then this link could instead be to a taxpayer funded site (like NPR) instead of to a for-profit ad-powered spam-site run by billionaires who pay journalists as little as possible while pocketing as much as they can.

        Unfortunately, PBS and NPR are so severely under-funded that they need to run donation drives and can't do journalism of this level.

        • jjmarr3 hours ago
          We adopted this in Canada and Facebook/Instagram have banned news since 2023.

          The idea is that social media companies offer summaries of news that replace reading the article for most people. Thanks to commenters bypassing paywalls they can get the full article too!

          News companies cannot effectively negotiate with large social media companies for a slice of ad revenue due to discrepancies in size.

          The government proposed a compulsory licensing scheme where websites with an "asymmetric bargaining position" (i.e Big Tech) that link to news must pay.

          Google is paying $100 million,[1] Meta walked away from the negotiating table.

          [1] https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-bill-c18-on...

          • raw_anon_11112 hours ago
            And in Australia most of that money went to Murdoch controlled media.
        • raw_anon_11112 hours ago
          I can’t believe someone actually makes this suggestion after seeing what has happened in the last year. The Trump administration cut funding for PBS and NPR because he didn’t like what they were saying.

          This isn’t new. The government has been trying to cut funding for PBS since the 60s.

          Why would anyone want the government to fund the press? How would you actually expect it to cover government corruption?

          • metabagel37 minutes ago
            Republicans have been trying to cut funding for PBS.
            • raw_anon_111126 minutes ago
              What’s your point? A press funded by the government is not going to go out of its way to bite the hand that feeds it.
              • microtonal11 minutes ago
                It functions fine in many countries though. E.g. a lot of European countries have public broadcasters paid by tax money and they sure do criticize and mock government.

                Commercial broadcasters tend to lean towards entertainment (needs ad revenue), so news becomes entertainment too.

                It works as long as the state and public believes in democracy, accountability, etc. It’s very vulnerable, but everything in democracy is. Democracy and free press can only work if the population also defends it, which is what is failing in the US. The majority of population does not want to defend democracy.

    • nojito4 hours ago
      Why is it sad for people to be compensated for their work?
      • sowbug4 hours ago
        That's not what OP said.

        Sites displayed ads. Then they decided, or found, that ads didn't bring in enough revenue, so they added paywalls.

        Paywalls are annoying, they don't scale, and they break the promise of an open web. All that is sad.

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        • lotsofpulp4 hours ago
          The web is still open, anyone can post anything they want and anyone can see it (in the US, at least).

          An open web, to me, does not imply access to all websites.

          • rovr1383 hours ago
            The original message is,

            > So much of the Internet is pay-walled now.

            It’s lamenting that more is behind paywalls. Not that the paywalls exist.

            • lotsofpulp2 hours ago
              And sowbug wrote that paywalls and the open web are not compatible, to which I disagreed.
        • SecretDreams3 hours ago
          Alternatively, how would you suggest content that takes time and effort to make be funded?

          I get that it's sad, but I'd gladly pay a monthly sub to use a not enshitified internet, rather than the cluster fuck of ads and data stealing that exists in the modern web. Spending time on the 90s and early 2000s internet and comparing it to this dumpster fire makes me so darn sad.

        • jimjimjim3 hours ago
          People still have to be paid. or they won't be paid and you just get different flavors of slop.
      • Rekindle8090an hour ago
        Please don't use strawman arguments. It's immature.
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  • etchalon3 hours ago
    Honestly, if it wasn't for Musk' ties to Trump, I'm betting they just would have pulled it.
    • afavour2 hours ago
      Yeah, reading this my reaction is “so why didn’t they do it?”. A less prominent app would have been fulled first and notified later.
      • deepfriedbits2 hours ago
        It has a massive user base. And political connections. And lawsuit money. Apple (and Google) will absolutely treat these publishers differently than a random app developer.
      • polski-g2 hours ago
        Because it makes Android a more attractive option than it otherwise would have been.
        • throwaway274482 hours ago
          Maybe—I don't think anyone is choosing between the two based on access to grok of all things. I think it's simply treated as an extension of twitter, which will almost certainly never be forced out while it remains the premier app for diplomacy and AI porn.
    • throwaway274483 hours ago
      Twitter is already a bit of a special case because porn is so accessible (although, you must opt in through the browser and cannot opt in through the app).
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