65 pointsby crmrc1145 hours ago17 comments
  • matsemann4 hours ago
    "X" is in a weird place now. The monetization of engagement absolutely wrecked the feeds from my cursory glance. Just ragebaiting, vague posting, abuse (for a while, every female posting would have someone in the replies doing "grok, put OP in a bikini" and it would post sexualized images of them). Someone vent viral by posting a picture of Steve Jobs' daughter (?), and people try to replicate that as that now generates money. Replies to posts are just bluechecks being insane, or farm accounts spamming unrelated stuff hoping to get impressions and generate some dollars.

    I used to follow only cycling/urban related accounts for the town I live in. Most of them left, so maybe that's making it hard for the algorithm, but my feed is now just far right immigration propaganda by blue checks, or lots of US issues (I'm not in the US). Not a nice place to be, but I can see how it can be addicting / trigger something in the brain.

    • QuantumNomad_2 hours ago
      > Most of them left, so maybe that's making it hard for the algorithm, but my feed is now just far right immigration propaganda by blue checks

      Working as intended. It has been very clear for a very long time (in “Internet time”) that Mr “Free Speech Absolutist” Musk is only really interested in supporting far right propaganda.

      > Not a nice place to be, but I can see how it can be addicting / trigger something in the brain.

      Honest question, why would anyone willingly browse X? Why have an account there when it’s not even giving you anything nice? Delete the account. Stop visiting the site.

      • matsemann23 minutes ago
        > Honest question, why would anyone willingly browse X?

        I don't know the psychology, but there absolutely is something akin to "outrage porn". Like, something in your brain wants you to go in and be outraged and annoyed about how stupid other's are, and how much better you are.

        Tried to search around for why it happens, this has some thoughts, "The dangerous pleasures of outrage": https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/domestic-intelligenc...

        > The pleasure of strong negative judgment becomes so enjoyable we seek opportunities to trigger it

        • 2OEH8eoCRo018 minutes ago
          My guess is that outrageous things were important to pay attention to when we were in tribes?
    • leosanchez4 hours ago
      > every female posting would have someone in the replies doing "grok, put OP in a bikini"

      I get these tweets randomly in my Timeline as well. What I don't understand is why does Twitter think I should know about someone asking Grok to put xxx in Bikini

      • mcintyre19943 hours ago
        My guess would be that they amplify tweets involving Grok as a form of advertising. I think they disabled tagging Grok for non paying users, so I guess they do it to advertise its capabilities. And because their user base is so toxic that mostly means amplifying things like that.
      • fabian2k4 hours ago
        This is a command to the Grok bot and used to generate an image based on the post and that specific prompt. After significant outrage they disabled it for non-paying users at least, not sure if they changed more about this later.
        • blitzar3 hours ago
          If the "algorithm" thinks that I want to see <command to the Grok bot> from random accounts so jams lots of them into my feed then it is a pretty dumb algorithm
          • ZeroGravitas3 hours ago
            Maybe X thinks X users might be unaware of the ability to pay money to see other random X users naked, so it's basically an advert for non-consensual sexual image generation.
          • eucyclos3 hours ago
            I've been saying that about a lot of algorithms for a while now, but I think the issue is more that they're smart algorithms optimized for the wrong thing
    • ksaj3 hours ago
      I stopped using all of that style of social media, mainly for this reason. First it was Facebook a couple decades ago. I figured I can deal with only hearing from my family once in a while, in real life and emails, and blissfully missing all those photos of the food they're about to eat.

      Social media has just gotten worse and worse since Facebook, to the point I can't even bother with Mastodon anymore (and I don't. I gave that up a few months back).

      The main thing I like here - I get the info I was hoping to see in the first place, but without all the baggage. Even when that baggage seeps in, it is (very) short term. The ycombinator news mods are exceptional.

      This site isn't all that "Social" per se, but the threads generally stay on topic, and aren't constantly trying to sell you something nobody ever asked for.

      AI is not the fakest thing in social media.

    • pjc503 hours ago
      > my feed is now just far right immigration propaganda by blue checks, or lots of US issues (I'm not in the US)

      > (for a while, every female posting would have someone in the replies doing "grok, put OP in a bikini")

      This is now the purpose of the site: racism and sexism. There was once a time when it would have been the place to follow the Hungarian election, now I have to make to with a few people on bluesky.

    • user342833 hours ago
      My 'For you' feed is almost exclusively Photography, science and tech news.

      I believe it strongly depends on what you interact with.

      At some point I also had a lot of US news in my feed, but once I stopped opening those posts and instead used the 'Not interested in this post' button or muted the author, they disappeared.

      Probably following other accounts or liking photography posts also helped.

      • matsemann2 hours ago
        Meh, this borders on victim blaming. You can't deny they've done something to turn it the last few years. And there is no one of my interest left to follow, they've all jumped ship. I checked the "following" tab now, and there is nothing of interest there, they've all left.
      • Hamuko2 hours ago
        They're not on my For You feed, but anytime I watch a video on Twitter and it automatically jumps to a next video, it's always something that would never be on my feed. These days, it's usually bodycam footage from the United States (which I don't live in).
    • blitzar3 hours ago
      vague posting is the current meta
  • Mario93824 hours ago
    I created an account in X yesterday because I'm trying to get more involved into building in public and the social aspect of development and I was shocked to see nowadays you can pay for X premium where the more you pay, the more interactions you get to your tweets.

    At the end I just deleted it and created an account into Bluesky instead.

    • indy3 hours ago
      Out of the anger inducing frying pan and into the group-think fire.
      • ksaj3 hours ago
        How can you tell when they are two different hive minds, with temperament being the sole differentiator?
      • Hamuko2 hours ago
        We're against chronological timelines composed of people you follow for being "group think" now?
      • throwaway1324483 hours ago
        It’s funny how much people on X resent the freedom for alternatives to exist.

        As always it’s because it’s never actually about free speech, just freedom of consequences from their own choices and behaviour.

    • charcircuit3 hours ago
      >X premium where the more you pay, the more interactions you get to your tweets.

      You are confusing X ads for X premium or you are mistaken.

      • matsemann3 hours ago
        It's probably not "the more you pay the more interactions you get", but there definitely is "if you pay, you get more interactions". Blue checks are boosted in top of replies etc., and is ironically often the exact people you don't want to see.
      • dwedge3 hours ago
        When X premium came out they said if I paid my tweets would be boosted more. I didn't pay, and my account with a few hundred followers went from 100ish views per average tweet to 10.

        If you think you don't need to pay for engagement on there I can only assume you're paying for it and unaware of the difference.

      • Mario93822 hours ago
        if you go to the premium section and look at the benefits it literally says (from memory) if you pay 3.5€/month you get a small boost on interactions for your tweets. If you pay 5€/month you get a bigger boost on interactions if you pay (I don't remember how much it is) 22€/month ~ you get the biggest boost for your tweets.

        That to me sounds like if you don't pay, you're going to be in the bottom of the feed for everyone else.

        • charcircuitan hour ago
          I just looked and it doesn't say that. It only says that you have a higher chance to show up in front of other users in the reply section. It does not say that Premium Plus gets more of a boost than Premium. It is not a perk of Basic.
      • croes3 hours ago
        Doesn’t matter what it is called. You can buy interactions, that’s like buying fake followers.
        • dwedge3 hours ago
          With a double edged sword - they also removed the organic engagement you previously would have gotten
        • lynx973 hours ago
          > You can buy interactions

          You're describing advertisment in general. Same with FB. If I throw enough money at a posting ad, I will gain interactions.

          • matsemann2 hours ago
            You're missing the point. There's a difference between buying an ad, something that's clearly marked as an ad and inserted as an ad, vs having your normal posts appear organic but still getting put in front of more people.

            Or, it's mainly the opposite. If you don't pay, you no longer get the organic, not even from your own followers.

  • crmrc1145 hours ago
    Posting here since I am curious if any friends on HN have faced the same AI based banning. I have had a Twitter account since like 2008 and they just did this- like folks on reddit are reporting appeals just get robo-rejected. Is there any way to reach a human at X? I have some SWEs and SREs in my linkedin account as second and third person contacts but reaching out there just feels wrong. Putting AI in charge of Auto banning 10+ year old paying accounts is insane. There is another thread on this same issue here https://www.reddit.com/r/twitterhelp/comments/1sfn3l4/has_an...
    • dwedge3 hours ago
      Just to be clear, they are 10+ year old accounts, they haven't been paying for 10+ years, premium has only been available for maybe 3 years
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    • kotaKatan hour ago
      > Is there any way to reach a human at X?

      Money. Lots of money. Pay the Advertising chuds. Back before reserved/paid usernames were even a thing I remember at least one recorded phone call kicking around one of my archives of a Twitter employee saying they'd release any handle I needed for a $10k ad commit over 3 months minimum pre-Musk.

    • mhitza3 hours ago
      Automated decision making processing, such as banning, must be avoided under the GDPR. Those facing this issue should throw a complaint at their DPA. I'm sure Musk would love another series of fines in the EU.
    • m00dy3 hours ago
      Nothing is wrong during AI revolution.
    • altilunium5 hours ago
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  • ggm5 hours ago
    Good time to heed the signal and leave. It's an anti-pattern for humanity.
    • crmrc1145 hours ago
      Yeah I know- I have accounts on bluesky and mastodon as well- but I try not to isolate myself to one network, there are plenty of non-usa accounts that were only on X who I followed for technology and art/photography stuff. shikata ga nai I guess.
  • heavensteeth4 hours ago
    Most social media has been has been utterly untenable forever, but Twitter and Discord are the most troublesome in my experience. It's so hard to create and use a new account on those sites without the rigmarole of captcha (due to suspicious activity) -> banned (due to suspicious activity) -> captcha (due to suspicious activity) -> verify email (due to suspicious activity) -> banned (due to suspicious activity) -> verify phone number (due to suspicious activity). Then, want to follow someone, or join a guild? Hmm.. your account reputation is too low. Try again in a week?

    I don't know how people do it. I can only figure it's my fault for running Linux or Firefox or not Signing in with Google™, upsetting the data harvesting overlords.

    • throwawaymobule4 hours ago
      Back when they still had staffed support, and were called twitter, I'd have to spend a week or more back and forth with them when I inevitably hit the demand for a phone number. Most of the time the account got unlocked.

      This was usually a few weeks/months after they were in the news for selling people's phone numbers.

    • dwedge3 hours ago
      Discord annoys me with this. I tried to ask a question about GrapheneOS on reddit and they auto deleted it and said we use discord now. I don't have discord so I signed up and can't post until I verify my email. So I verified a burner and don't have permission to post in that channel. A couple of days later I did, but the motivation had passed.

      It's so strange to put your interactions behind a walled garden that demands verification, especially for something like GOS. But even then, making people wait a day or so without telling them is such an antipattern

    • dminik3 hours ago
      I needed to create a Facebook account to verify some Facebook posting functionality worked as we wanted it to. Ok, easy. Tried using my work email. No, not allowed. Hmm, try creating a new email. Nope. Tried to create an account on my personal device with a personal email. Nuh-uh.

      I've never seen a service so opposed to me using it. There's no option for dev accounts either.

  • level092 hours ago
    Same here. Premium account, years old, barely post, banned with no explanation.

    What’s worse: no way to notify followers or export data after a ban.

    Lesson here: Never outsource your identity or communication to a platform you don’t control, treat them as disposable channels, that might disappear any day.

  • mcv2 hours ago
    "Inauthentic behaviour"? Did Simone de Bouvoir take over X?
  • ponyous3 hours ago
    As far as I know reddit does the same thing. If you don’t follow normal human patterns you will quickly get banned. I read some guy’s report where he got banned 8 times detailing each behaviour and indeed it was nothing crazy.
  • mentalgear3 hours ago
    I'm not touching seedy X any more - if there's someone linking to it the 'toXcancel' extension shows me the content while shielding me from Musk's actual sht pit.
  • Myzel3944 hours ago
    I've also been suspended for breaking their terms and services, even though I haven't done anything wrong. It was probably my VPN. Luckily, my account got unsuspended, but I ain't using that platform anymore
  • blitzar3 hours ago
    Free speech absolutism ladies and gentlemen.
  • kkfxan hour ago
    We simply need open, decentralized or distributed platforms. Nostr is not that excellent, but it works, and have a potential to became "unified personal web platform", take a look at it.
    • nar001an hour ago
      Isn't that just Mastodon? Why would I use Nostr instead?
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  • m00dy3 hours ago
    looks like the incident happened a month ago ?
  • jerrygoyal3 hours ago
    my business account got banned as well 7 days ago. I created an appeal but didn't receive any response. crickets.
  • xyzal3 hours ago
    I use my account only to mock @realDonaldTrump.

    Real discussions with friends happen in group chats, without all the crap and noise.

  • shiroiuma4 hours ago
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    • aaron6954 hours ago
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    • repsilat4 hours ago
      This hyperbole does more to turn people away from Bluesky and other sites more than X to be honest. There are clearly lots of politically moderate, wholesome "politically inert," and international X users. The people who are vocal about having left seem more extreme and less tolerant to me.

      Perhaps for related reasons, I've also recently heard Elon Musk being described as a "literal Nazi" a lot, and I'm sure that kind of wild rhetoric has a similar backfire effect with anyone who has any familiarity with him.

      • Pay083 hours ago
        > The people who are vocal about having left seem more extreme and less tolerant to me.

        That's because they are. Not all of them, of course, and not companies, but the general populace absolutely is.

      • rob743 hours ago
        Maybe describing him as a "literal Nazi" is a bit exaggerated (although there was that thing with the Nazi salute last year), but you only have to remember what he did at DOGE (https://edition.cnn.com/2026/02/04/world/lancet-usaid-global...) and maybe take a look at what he posts (and reposts) on X to realize that it's not too far from the truth...
      • lynx973 hours ago
        Well said. This is how I feel about Bluesky. I've read so many exaggregations from bsky users that I would definitely not want to join that sort of echo chamber. Better leave the extremists alone.
      • hsbauauvhabzb3 hours ago
        The dude did a literal Nazi salute on stage. Twice. I don’t think it’s an exaggeration to call him a Nazi.
        • eucyclos3 hours ago
          You will never find historical footage of a nazi saluting at an angle to the body like that. It just looks like footage of Hitler because they both have very jerky, exaggerated movements.

          And that's probably because they're both neurodivergent men who had abusive fathers, but that's not typically what people dislike Nazis for.

          • throwaway1324483 hours ago
            Are you proud of this comment? Is this the person you wanted to be when you were a kid? Disputing whether a Nazi salute was actually a Nazi salute because the executor of the Nazi salute doesn’t have the skill to execute it correctly?
          • troad3 hours ago
            Yes, let's get the protractors out to find out if the man who's turned Twitter into a far right cesspool, and has served in a far right government, and constantly tweets far right things, may just have far right sympathies. /s

            Ceasing to believe what your own eyes and ears are telling you, in as far as those things may challenge your political beliefs, is generally a road that leads nowhere good.

            • eucyclos2 hours ago
              Well my own eyes and ears are telling me that it's clearly not a nazi salute so idk what you want from me. I take this allegation as seriously as I took that 4chan campaign to find pictures of Taylor swift with her hand in a similar position and declare her their "Aryan goddess".
      • OuterVale3 hours ago
        > I've also recently heard Elon Musk being described as a "literal Nazi" a lot

        The chatbot run by his company has called itself 'MechaHitler' multiple times, and Musk himself did what is widely regarded as a Nazi salute during Trump's second inauguration.

        • repsilat3 hours ago
          I guess to expand on my earlier post, it's generally a good thing that these kinds of absurd allegations are counterproductive and generally not convincing, because if they were more readily believable they would be quite irresponsible. Real violence has occurred because of beliefs (and posts) like this.
    • hactually4 hours ago
      The classic "if it disagrees with me, it's a far-right neo-Nazi" rhetoric. Sadly thiss is becoming depressingly common in certain corners of tech discourse.

      X has the best AI news, the best virality for good content and sure - it has a lot of shit, but community notes and curated feeds keep the noise low.

      • yalogin4 hours ago
        It still has the best AI news because users are not quitting it. Even the most fervent left leaning folks I know cannot quit it. Too bad it fell into the wrong hands and became a shell of its former self
      • lynx973 hours ago
        Its not just in tech circles. It really started around 2020 with C. "Everyone needs to agree this time" extremely backfired and ruined our ability to discuss things.
        • Pay083 hours ago
          Not really. George Orwell has noted this phenomenon in his 1946 book "Politics and the English Language". He attributes it to a knock-on effect of wartime propaganda.
      • maxlin4 hours ago
        This. No other platforms has a system akin to CN's. For me personally, I could never stand using any platform that is aggressively tone policed towards whatever official truth. Not Truth Social, not BlueSky.

        Other places are like playgrounds, X is where the adults go to talk.

        • KaiserPro3 hours ago
          > any platform that is aggressively tone policed

          all platforms are tone policed, yes even real life. If you don't notice it, you're either not looking, or you agree with the tone.

          • rglullis3 hours ago
            Not all platforms are agressive about the tone-policing and "real life" is not a platform. AFAIK, we still don't live in a world where the moneyed class get to set the rules about who is allowed to exist in "real life".

            Also: scale and context matters. Someone telling you to shut up on a movie theater is not out of place, but whoever was next to you in the theater does not get to decide what you say in a bar or a PTA meetiing.

            • KaiserPro16 minutes ago
              > AFAIK, we still don't live in a world where the moneyed class get to set the rules about who is allowed to exist in "real life".

              I mean thats just the legal system, its also deciding what is taught in schools, or churches (other religions are available). Currently in the USA there is "tone policing" about trans people. Laws are being put in place to enforce a certain style of living for people who are trans. Regardless of you opinion of trans people, that is very much real life tone policing.

              > but whoever was next to you in the theatre does not get to decide what you say in a bar or a PTA meeting.

              but the people in the bar/PTA meeting do. In the same way that newspaper decide who to publish, TV which programmes to air, student organisations what cause to adopt, charities what people to fight for.

              I think you are saying that one organisation doesn't get to control the patterns and types of speech for an entire country, which is mostly true apart from a authoritarian places.

              But, each platform has its own tone, be that X, bluesky, the local darts club, PTA, or church. that tone is enforced by the people who support/take part in that platform. Those rules vary by factions that live on those platforms. The issue with X/bluesky etc is that they make money by deliberately forcing separate factions to engage. If you fall out with your local pub, you find a different pub, and hopefully never see those people again. But that pub is selling you pints, not advertising. so it needs to keep you happy to keep you buying pints.