144 pointsby dxs7 hours ago15 comments
  • jmward016 hours ago
    People like to think the pendulum will always swing back. That is because of survivor bias. They have always seen it swing back. Every fallen civilization believed in the pendulum theory too, until the last one. You can't magically remake our forests. We are just stupid.
    • csto124 hours ago
      This is kind of one of the points I try to make. All of the damage that is being done right now is very hard to fix when we have sane people back in power (if that happens). It’s 100x easier to destroy than build, and we are seeing it happen in real time.
      • stfp4 hours ago
        Also, attempts to undo the damage will be painted as extreme, whether it’s rehiring / recreating the agencies that were destroyed or prosecuting the crazy corruption and seizing funds.
  • darth_avocado6 hours ago
    US is one of the very few countries that is left with irreplaceable natural beauty. It is sad that we’re at a point where a multi trillion dollar economy cannot leave this public treasure alone because private interests want everything to be a race to the bottom.
    • BLKNSLVR6 hours ago
      nitpick: I think almost every single country has irreplaceable natural beauty.

      It is incredibly sad that the US has come to this though. Yet another example of the country self-harming in ways that will leave permanent scarring.

      A quote I've repeated before: "The economy is a wholly owned subsidiary of the environment".

    • hackingonempty6 hours ago
      > private interests want everything to be a race to the bottom

      This is also about rich guys wanting to play rancher.

    • Insanity6 hours ago
      This seems opposite to my experience. Sure, the US has beautiful places (and national parks), but also many visually polluted spaces with ads etc.

      I see many other countries in LatAM, Asia etc having just as many beautiful places of nature. And then in Europe there’s the beauty of e.g Gothic architecture in cities that are kept (mostly) clean.

      • OneMorePerson5 hours ago
        No matter how beautiful architecture is it's still not natural beauty.

        I do agree there's plenty of places in other countries that have natural beauty, but the US has a combination of very large natural spaces, kept in a mostly natural state (not over developed), and does a decent job maintaining it. This is relatively rare (although the US is not the only one).

        The US Forest Service has nothing to do with the amount of ads and billboards in US cities.

        • grebc3 hours ago
          Canada & Australia are better examples than the US.
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          • OneMorePerson3 hours ago
            How is that relevant to this conversation?
            • palmotea2 hours ago
              > How is that relevant to this conversation?

              Because it's important to put Americans in their place. They are not good, and must be reminded that others are better.

              • OneMorePersonan hour ago
                I'm 90% sure this is satire, but given how things are and how fashionable it is to hate on America/Americans I'm not sure. I guess that says something ha
            • grebcan hour ago
              It’s not as rare as you think.

              Anyway not hating, just giving some other examples.

  • skyberrys5 hours ago
    I'm visiting the Los Padres National Forest this weekend, and reading this story makes me cry for the fleeting beauty that doesn't have to be fleeting yet is. In the name of greed an irreplaceable treasure is being lost. I don't understand why we want something when it costs something we can never replace.
  • silexia2 hours ago
    The USFS wastes a titanic amount of money. It no longer encourages public access and use, and has blocked many previously accessible and beautiful locations. It costs the equivalent of 100,000 people each earning a $100,000 salary. It is a terrible land manager and is a prime cause behind fuel buildup that causes the destructive forest fires lately. Good riddance.
  • tayo426 hours ago
    Isn't there a losing war going on to focus on?
    • BLKNSLVR6 hours ago
      What better time to do deeply unpopular things than when everyone is looking the other way?
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  • convolvatron6 hours ago
    in FY2024 the entire budget for the Forest Service was $10.8B
  • therobots9276 hours ago
    Let’s not forget all the upstanding tech leaders that stood next to Trump and smiled.

    Thanks guys. Thanks for fucking nothing.

    • BLKNSLVR2 hours ago
      They're not fucking nothing.

      They're fucking everything.

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  • tonetheman6 hours ago
    More vile destruction from the Trump admin.

    Wonder who will help for fires now? Conservatives do hate trees I guess.

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  • nickvec2 hours ago
    Just curious, why is this flagged? @dang