106 pointsby hedayet3 hours ago18 comments
  • jghn3 hours ago
    In a lot of ways I feel the discourse that he means a nuclear attack buries the lede. This is not likely to happen.

    What is more likely to happen is just as bad. Devastating civil infrastructure would put 10s of millions of lives at risk.

    And even if one were to look at this from a myopic USA centric lens, has anyone considered how many of these people we were told needed liberation are now radicalized against us?

    • CommanderData2 hours ago
      Contaminating the region with radiation including Israels supply chain and exports wasn't something on my bingo cards.

      I guess Israel would just import everything from the US, and expect AIPAC to do it's job at increasing funding once it's own farming sector has been decimated.

  • Animats2 hours ago
    Response from Iran: "Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) says it will respond outside the region and deprive the United States and its allies of oil and gas “for many years” if the US crosses “red lines” and attacks civilian facilities."[1]

    "Iran has closed all diplomatic and indirect channels of communication with the United States, the state-run Tehran Times reported ..." US media does not seem to have picked up on this, but media in India and China have.[2] But the common source seems to be "Tehran Times", and it's unclear who runs that or where they get their info. New York Times, AP, and AlJazeera are not saying that. Xinhua has a one-line note with no source. The US White House says Vance is talking to somebody. Politico says Vance is on "standby".[3]

    A negotiated cease-fire seems unlikely now.

    [1] https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2026/4/7/iran-war-li...

    [2] https://www.the-independent.com/bulletin/news/iran-mediators...

    [3] https://www.politico.com/news/2026/04/06/vance-is-on-standby...

  • comrade1234an hour ago
    The markets dropped. He and his cronies are buying up stocks. Tomorrow he'll say Iran is negotiating and offering something amazing. The stocks will go up and they'll sell. Iran will say they have no idea what he's talking about. Wash and repeat.
    • pan6912 minutes ago
      As depressing as it sounds, this seems to pretty much sum up the objective of the 2nd Trump admin.
  • hedayet2 hours ago
    As anticipated - this post got flagged.

    An existential crisis as big as this can't be discussed on HN?

    • sreanan hour ago
      If many people 'vouch' for it, it will get unflagged.
      • sphan hour ago
        If you 'vouch' or 'flag' things the mods don't approve of, it gets disabled on your account.

        Confirmed in private conversation with dang [1], he restored it after I promised to behave, and now it stopped working again as I didn't properly toe the line.

        Quite hypocritical to give power to the user with the tacit expectation that you share the same opinions and political bent as the moderation team.

        ---

        1: quote: "I'm afraid we took vouching privileges away from your account because you vouched for too many comments that were unsubstantive and/or flamebait and/or otherwise broke the site guidelines"

      • nkurzan hour ago
        Unfortunately that's not the way it works. If it's [flagged] [dead] because of user flagging, some users can vouch for it to revive it.

        But if it's merely [flagged] (with associated penalties keeping it off the front pages) there is no option for vouching to remove the penalty.

        This one is currently [flagged] with no option for vouching.

        • srean16 minutes ago
          You are right.
  • twen_ty2 hours ago
    This is what happens when there's no effective opposition. Where are the dems? Where's the press?
    • msabalau2 hours ago
      Where are you?

      What precisely are you doing other than posting stuff that pretends that a party in minority in both houses of Congress could actually stop a president, unless some politicians in the majority chose to join them.

      And, as underwhelming as the press are, the facts are that surveys show that American's broadly disapprove of the war. Presumably because of what they have learned about it from the press and the opposition.

      The people who are responsible are the people in power and their remaining supporters. Aided, arguably, by people who espouse cynical, self-soothing complaints that ignore what most people learn about civics in middle school.

      • jst1fthsdys29 minutes ago
        Are you trying to say that the majority of dems don't support this war? Cause they do.

        Also are you going to ignore the propaganda pushed by the press leading up to the initial attack? Or that they are still breathlessly parroting propaganda and self censoring right now?

        The entire ruling class is responsible for this. The military carrying it out is responsible for it. Anyone in positions of power that have done nothing to stop this but post some strongly worded tweets is responsible.

      • nathanaldensr2 hours ago
        The US government hasn't been in control of the People for decades and decades. Maybe even longer than that. It doesn't matter what "parties" have been in control. We all know why this war is happening, who benefits, who's lobbying for it, who they bought off, and who Trump answers to. We all know, but people are afraid to say it because they stand to lose once they're targeted for saying it. Voting hasn't stopped it. Party control of Congress hasn't stopped it. Presidents haven't stopped it. It's happening and this was the plan all along from both parties.
        • akagusuan hour ago
          Corporations run the US government. Elected officials are just proxies.
        • durzo22an hour ago
          Yeah remember when democrats president tweeted out about nuking someone
    • hedayet2 hours ago
      I'd also ask what can we regular Joes and Janes do to avoid this disaster?

      I can't think of anything other than going out and standing on a street with a placard. can we do anything better than that?

      • nathanaldensr2 hours ago
        The question isn't what must be done; look to the very founding of the United States for wisdom on that topic. The only question is, do people have the collective courage to do it?
    • jghn2 hours ago
      What are they supposed to do here, exactly?
      • jacquesm2 hours ago
        Country wide strike would be a nice start.
        • sheikhnbake2 hours ago
          That would require a level of class consciousness that has been violently suppressed for decades. Although maybe there's some hope based on continual record breaking no kings numbers
          • TimorousBestie2 hours ago
            Managed opposition requires qualitatively different resources than a general strike.
          • hw-guy2 hours ago
            [dead]
        • srean2 hours ago
          This is Israel's war and the American democrats have traditionally been very supportive. Last place to expect anything like what you are calling for.
          • jacquesm2 hours ago
            No, this is now America's war. Israel has a part in it but the US is the main belligerent at this point and if Trump follows through on his threats he all but guarantees the downfall of the United States. This has gone way too far already and since the internal checks and balances of the United States appear not to be working it will be up to the rest of the world to draw a line. We can not afford to let this spiral into another world war, especially not with multiple nuclear powers involved.

            Think of it this way: Iran is isolated on the world stage. But turn it into a significant enough victim and there will be two major religions on either side of a war. That's a recipe for something that could potentially make WWII look 'mild'. I know there are people that actually want this, but let's at least see clearly here: nobody, and I mean absolutely nobody will benefit from that. Even the ones who think they will benefit. Democrats that are supportive of this are hopefully a small enough minority that sanity will prevail.

            Think avalanche: you can start one, but you can't stop one. Avalanches stop themselves, but only when all potential energy is expended.

            • sreanan hour ago
              I agree.

              What I mean by Israel's war is that the motivation was Israel's, they got Americans to be their grunts.

              I don't see this de-escalating soon unless Europe shows more teeth.

              It's pretty much nightmare fuel out there.

              • jacquesman hour ago
                > I don't see this de-escalating soon unless Europe shows more teeth.

                Can you describe what you have in mind?

                • sreanan hour ago
                  Unless Trump perceives a new unexpected threat I don't see him backing down. Russian and Chinese opposition has been accounted for.

                  Europe's more belligerent opposition as opposed toothless diplomatic speeches may give them a reason to pause. Say, cancellations of major contracts where the primary beneficiary would have been the US.

                  Don't know whether it will happen, but am happy to see some European countries to take a stand and back their stand with more than words.

                  • jacquesman hour ago
                    Europe has one 'weapon' they can use but they can use it just once: dump the bonds. The problem with that is that you need a reason big enough that by the time you're going to do it it will likely be too late to be effective and as a punitive measure it makes little sense, it's just one step short of a declaration of war. If Trump goes ahead with this madness then tomorrow morning the world economy will be in shambles, no matter what. Note that we got here ostensibly to 'free the Iranian people', apparently they need to be murdered to make them free. It's grotesque.
                    • sreanan hour ago
                      It is to you and me. Not everyone sees it that way.

                      When one day the dust settles, hopefully of the benign kind, I wish some lessons to be learned on what kind of leaders to elect.

                      This has had me so disturbed, that I have barely been able to get much work done for weeks. Work that I enjoy doing. Then I think of Iranian citizens and feel guilty about complaining.

                      • jacquesman hour ago
                        At least we have answers to the question of how World War II started. All it takes is a couple of idiots that think they are all powerful and the stage is set.
            • pipo2342 hours ago
              The technical term seems to be: entrapment. The war could have ended after the first few "successful" days.

              And still every day it continues, it becomes a little bit harder to back out. Like Vietnam, Iraq or Afghanistan this war cannot be won.

            • dylan6042 hours ago
              > the internal checks and balances of the United States appear not to be working

              There is one last test, but it's not until November. Until then, Trump is on a speed run to destroy everything he can

              • jacquesman hour ago
                You need to get to November first.
                • dylan604an hour ago
                  Hence the speed running part of the comment
              • sreanan hour ago
                There's the 25th too but I dont think anyone with access to that option has the spine.
            • ratracean hour ago
              [dead]
        • jghn2 hours ago
          One side controls all branches of the federal government and by and large it controls the media as well.

          So how do you propose this strike happen?

        • egeozcan2 hours ago
          From where I'm looking, any kind of resistance is becomes a target to divert the guilt from any failure.
        • crises-luff-6b2 hours ago
          [dead]
    • markoman12 minutes ago
      What's truly shocking is that a large part of what got Trump elected in 2024 (and the world in this mess now) was that the GOP cleverly stoked the fears of transgenderism via local-market ad buys during the election. This very play was the reason for much of Trump's gains with various demo's such as black males and hispanics/latinos. So many of these folks were completely triggered by 'grooming' and the ideas that girls are having to compete against transgender girls in their sports. The fact that folks were willing to elect Trump so that a very small number of women wouldn't have to compete against transgenders, is sad beyond words. Perhaps this (will turn into) a lesson well learned, although voters have notoriously short memories. Sophistication of this type among the masses is sorely lacking.

      The ruling class has us just where they want us -- so focused on & fearful of losing our little jobs that we don't have context around much else so that we can do a thoughtful job of performing as an electorate. This is how you elect a Donald Trump, as THEY have now learned.

    • sheikhnbake2 hours ago
      The fatal flaw in our separation of powers is that even if congressional dems had a super majority, congress is powerless to enforce anything.

      And the press has been covering Trump's rhetoric and the war pretty heavily.

      • lebuffon2 hours ago
        So the "checks and balances" we were taught in school was just nonsense?
        • kubb2 hours ago
          How could it be that a political system which remained largely structurally unchanged since the freaking 18th century isn't equipped to deal with everything that has been going on in the world since then?

          It must be due to bad actors.

        • Mr_Eri_Atlovan hour ago
          Kinda yeah, much like how Americans are taught that they are a bastion of democracy, yet your convoluted electoral system has led to multiple instances of your president losing the popular vote.
        • sheikhnbake2 hours ago
          They weren't nonsense until we had people in positions of power decide that they were.

          At the end of the day, pieces of paper are just pieces of paper.

        • crises-luff-6b2 hours ago
          [dead]
      • akagusuan hour ago

           > And the press has been covering Trump's rhetoric and the war pretty heavily.
         
        The press is owned by the billionaires that paid Trump's campaign.

        They literally bought the presidency for Trump.

        • sheikhnbakean hour ago
          You're preaching to the choir. The oligarchy has indeed thoroughly captured the fourth estate
          • akagusu11 minutes ago
            I think they already captured all.
    • locknitpicker2 hours ago
      > This is what happens when there's no effective opposition. Where are the dems? Where's the press?

      The US is functioning as a banana republic style totalitarian regime for a few years. Even Venezuela has a tougher opposition.

    • Barrin922 hours ago
      It's wrong to even frame this as a partisan question. When the leader of a democratic country threatens a nation of 90 million people with genocide, that should be the end of that government on that same day. Where is the entire US population? You hear nothing but crickets, what an utterly passive, terminally ill society.
      • sheikhnbake2 hours ago
        Protests have been steadily breaking records each time they occur. Protests have been occurring across the country since he took office. This has all been widely publicized
      • dylan6042 hours ago
        The best example I've seen of things working correctly was with South Korea removing the leader that declared martial law. The South Koreans said nope to that, and removed the head of their government. They just had the moral fortitude to do it.
        • sreanan hour ago
          They made me incredibly proud that day !
  • baal80spam2 hours ago
    Why is the post miquoted?

    It says: "A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again."

    Will. Not might.

    • dragonwriter2 hours ago
      It is not quoted, it is summarized. You are quoting the first sentence of the post, but the certainty implied in that sentence is immediately undercut by the next; “I don’t want it to happen but it probably will”, and made even more muddy by the rest, which continues: “However, now that we have Complete and Total Regime Change, where different, smarter, and less radicalized minds prevail, maybe something revolutionarily wonderful can happen, WHO KNOWS? We will find out tonight, one of the most important moments in the long and complex history of the World. 47 years of extortion, corruption, and death, will finally end. God Bless the Great People of Iran!”
      • baal80spam2 hours ago
        Thanks, I guess that makes sense.
    • 2 hours ago
      undefined
  • Mr_Eri_Atlovan hour ago
    The world will be engulfed in nuclear hellfire, and Hacker News mods will be flagging final sign-off posts as too political.
  • elzbardico3 hours ago
    The world got so used to Don's deranged bravado, that I doubt that either china or russia have raised their DEFCON status equivalents, as they would probably do, should any other serious american president said the same thing.

    Fucking clown.

    • AnimalMuppet3 hours ago
      Hmm. You just gave me a flashback to Putin's invasion of Ukraine. He was saying all these threatening things, and moving all these troops, but surely he would never do that, right?

      Wrong, it turned out. Sometimes bluster isn't bluster. Or perhaps sometimes blusterers back themselves into a corner with their mouth.

  • w10-12 hours ago
    Destruction for no good reason.

    Even those who don't care about innocent lives recognize the horrible consequences for everyone else:

    - Iran empowered to tax the strait of Hormuz indefinitely with high insurance

    - Russia empowered with access to the middle east since the Iranians will have to embrace their only ally

    Trump enablers are responsible.

  • araes2 hours ago
    That went quickly from "America the supposed liberator is here" to "America is going to genocide your entire civilization."
  • jacquesm2 hours ago
    Another thread that got 'buried':

    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47674286

  • spwa426 minutes ago
    How is Trump's threat the most extreme in this war? Hell, "a whole civilization might die tonight?". The islamic regime in Iran has explicitly set wiping out Persian civilization as it's goal, more than 50 years ago. And they've worked hard at it. Or how about:

    Iran's regime threatens to make life in the middle east essentially impossible:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/23/iran-threat-to...

    Iran's regime threatens to kill every Iranian they can "before giving Iran back to Iranians":

    https://www.politico.com/news/2026/01/16/no-sign-of-new-prot...

  • LinuxAmbulance3 hours ago
    Yeah, good luck with that.

    I'm sure he'll follow up with bailing the ocean.

  • iwontberude3 hours ago
    I take this seriously and it's made me sick. I can't get any work done when my stomach feels like its doing flips.
    • pesus3 hours ago
      You're not alone. I keep hoping there's some sort of fire to put out at work so I can at least be distracted enough for a bit.
    • TimorousBestie2 hours ago
      I’ve approved like a single PR today. It’s not great.
  • jfrororkforor2 hours ago
    Yet another genocidal threat. Now Iran needs nukes. Congratulation on amazing diplomacy!
  • elzbardico3 hours ago
    [flagged]
    • hedayet3 hours ago
      USA has enough firepower to kill millions of people in short to mid term without needing any nukes.
    • 10xDev2 hours ago
      Israel is currently discussing a Hiroshima / Nagasaki model.
    • jghn3 hours ago
      Taking down the power grid, water supply, and other types of things doesn't require nukes and would devastate the populace.
  • zulux2 hours ago
    [flagged]
    • sheikhnbake2 hours ago
      I hate to break this to you, but before the current regime, the Shah was violently enforcing no burka/niqab dress codes. The Shah that was installed by the West
    • TimorousBestie2 hours ago
      > Women get acid in the face for dressing wrong, and protesters are killed in the thousands. Gay people are thrown from rooftops or hanged.

      By your standards, civilization in the United States has been dead for a long time and shows no signs of revival.