49 pointsby jacquesm2 hours ago16 comments
  • schonfinkelan hour ago
    Kinda reminds me of the story of king Croesus of Lydia, who asked the oracle of Delphi whether he should wage war against Cyrus the Great, the Oracle promptly told him that by doing so he would "destroy a great empire". Croesus then promptly attacked the Persians and lost.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croesus#War_against_Persia_and...

    • johnbarron42 minutes ago
      After Israel, Iran is home to the second largest Jewish population in the Middle East. Current estimates are that 15,000 to 20,000 Jews live in Iran.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Jews

      • AndrewKemendo31 minutes ago
        That’s not even a little correct there’s 100s of thousands more in Palestine than Iran

        Like you just posted a straight up lie

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_population_by_country

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_population_by_city

        • johnbarron5 minutes ago
          To clarify, the quote comes directly from the Wikipedia article on Iranian Jews [1], which cites a BBC source [2].

          The phrasing is "After Israel, it is home to the second-largest Jewish population in the Middle East."

          The links you posted actually support my point rather than refute it.

          The "Jewish population by country" page lists Iran at 8,500–20,000. Palestine is not listed as a separate entry with a larger Jewish population.

          You may be referring to Israeli settlers in the West Bank, but those individuals are Israeli citizens counted under Israel's population in every demographic source I'm aware of.

          Counting them under "Palestine" would require simultaneously recognizing Palestine as a sovereign state while attributing Israeli citizens to it, which no standard demographic dataset does.

          If you have a source that counts a Jewish population in a recognized state called Palestine that exceeds Iran, I'd genuinely be interested to see it. But calling a direct Wikipedia/BBC citation a "straight up lie" is a strong claim that should probably come with a stronger source and also arrive with an ulterior agenda, that I at least, do not have.

          [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Jews [2] http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5367892.stm

        • mongol15 minutes ago
          Palestine doesn't exist, from Israel's point of view.

          To accuse parent of lying is taking it much too far

  • TrackerFFan hour ago
    Two ways to interpret this:

    1) US and Israel will throw everything they have (of conventional weapons) at Iran.

    2) US will use (tactical) nuclear weapons on strategic targets.

    Of the two evils, I truly hope it will be (1).

    • fabian2kan hour ago
      A previous post was "Tuesday will be Power Plant Day, and Bridge Day", so I'd guess it's about that. Destroying the entire power infrastructure of a large country like that would have a pretty catastrophic effect on civilians. So that seems worse enough, I seriously hope no nukes will be involved.
      • AnimalMuppet37 minutes ago
        You remember that video that some Democratic legislators did about refusing to obey illegal orders? This is where that becomes absolutely real.

        (Targeting civilian infrastructure is a war crime. Orders to commit war crimes are illegal by definition.)

    • mongol41 minutes ago
      Do you mean tactical weapons on strategic targets? Or strategical weapons?

      I honestly don't know what to believe, but I feel the doomsday clock is getting closer to midnight than in a long, long time

      • jacquesm39 minutes ago
        Either way, we won't be talking about it on HN, this got flagged so hard it is on page 4. We don't do politics. By the way, here is some new nonsense built with an LLM.
      • TrackerFF23 minutes ago
        Tactical nukes on strategic targets, if nukes will ever be used. While I think in general that the usage of nuclear weapons is "point of no return" action, I do think actual usage would be lower yield tactical nukes on strategic targes - compared to detonating Minutemen over Tehran, and similar high-casualty targets.
    • JohnFen35 minutes ago
      Don't forget that Israel has nukes as well.
    • jacquesman hour ago
      I hope it will be neither and someone reins in this buffoon.
    • johnbarron39 minutes ago
      Option 2 is unthinkable under any circumstances. But in case the biggest mistake in human history, is done by a convicted felon and convicted rapist that the US elected two times as supreme leader, you should know, that Pakistan stated several times, that will act as nuclear backstop for Iran.
      • JohnFen11 minutes ago
        > Option 2 is unthinkable under any circumstances.

        Too many unthinkable things have come to pass in the last decade or so for me to find that reassuring.

    • ben_wan hour ago
      Or 3, he's bluffing.

      I'm not sure which of 1 and 2 is least-bad. All depends on downstream consequences, because we're already past the point where everyone's looking at Trump (not just in Iran but also, and we already had this to an extent with Putin attacking Ukraine) and thinking they need a credible deterrent. OTOH, the USA getting suckered into a drawn-out war with Iran in the same way Russia is with Ukraine may be good for almost everyone else, because an exhausted USA is a manageable threat, in a way that the current USA almost certainly isn't.

      • AnimalMuppet31 minutes ago
        Oh, I'm quite sure. 2 is far worse.

        2 is hundreds of thousands dead at a minimum. 1, even at its worst, would not come close to that. Worse, 2 breaks the "no actual use since Nagasaki" moratorium that has held for 80 years. Once it's broken, how long until the next use? Until Russia decides it can just start nuking cities in Ukraine, say?

      • mongol36 minutes ago
        1 is least bad. Maybe not for Iran, but for the world. If Trump re-opens Pandora's box, there is much less to hold back other nuclear powers in similar circumstances. The US has lost some dozen troops in this war, Russia has lost hundreds of thousands in its. Why should Russia restrain themselves if the US president goes mental? Our world becomes much, much more dangerous if Trump becomes unable to control himself.
        • jacquesm23 minutes ago
          > Our world becomes much, much more dangerous if Trump becomes unable to control himself.

          I think we're well past that point.

          • mongol11 minutes ago
            It can always get worse. Trump ordering nuclear strikes will make it much worse than it has been been so far, by a large margin
            • jacquesm6 minutes ago
              I meant that we are past the point where Trump is in control of himself.
  • Someonean hour ago
    I think civilization already died in Washington.
  • parthdesai2 hours ago
    At this rate, if the official religion of USA was a different one, they would be categorized as a terrorist state
    • jacquesm4 minutes ago
      It is, just not in the USA. This is the textbook definition of terrorism:

      "The unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims."

      It does not get much clearer than that.

  • emilsedgh2 hours ago
    Nuclear threat is incredibly real. Please call your congressmen.
  • treetalkeran hour ago
    Send war criminals to The Hague.
  • pickleglitch14 minutes ago
    This is an open declaration of an intent to commit genocide.
  • JohnFen44 minutes ago
    So he's graduated from simply threatening war crimes to threatening genocide. We are the baddies.
  • jjtwixman2 hours ago
    The USA is deeply sick.
  • igleriaan hour ago
    Any person that supports Trump's message is insane. There are no ifs or buts.
  • khaledhan hour ago
    The sad thing is that rulers never learn from history. There's no winner in this.
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  • guzfip34 minutes ago
    I keep seeing that fucking ad for Rexulti for agitated dementia or something. The recent tweet storm including “glory to allah” makes me think he needs one.

    Really we need mass senicide. We can’t handle another dementia boomer at the helm. Please kill yourselves for the good of the future and your children’s futue.

  • BoggleOhYeah2 hours ago
    Blah blah blah. Trump is trying his stupid, tough businessman TV persona in world politics.

    Everyone in the admin is a deeply unserious person being propped up by the paranoia and dumb “patriotism” created by 9/11. You could make an argument that Osama bin Laden was ultimately successful in destroying the US.

  • jacquesm2 hours ago
    Seriously, wtf?
  • readitalready2 hours ago
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    • khaledhan hour ago
      Exactly. Remember Trump's tweet from 2019[0]. But the zionist lobby is holding the US hostage.

          The United States has spent EIGHT TRILLION DOLLARS fighting and policing in the Middle East. Thousands of our Great Soldiers have died or been badly wounded. Millions of people have died on the other side. GOING INTO THE MIDDLE EAST IS THE WORST DECISION EVER MADE.....
      
      [0] https://x.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1181905659568283648