132 pointsby MoltenMonster5 hours ago11 comments
  • ronsor5 hours ago
    It's important to remember that these projects are not violating copyright law, are not circumvention tools, and that filing a DMCA notice against them is in fact unlawful.
    • sammy22554 hours ago
      No one has the guts, time, or money to challenge it though
      • userbinator4 hours ago
        This is what groups like the EFF are for: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_litigation_involving_t...
        • awakeasleep22 minutes ago
          In general no! The EFF is not interested in litigating laws that are firmly established! They spend their resources on cases that can set legal precedent.

          When you call about something like this, they’ll try to give you some general advice and refer you to a law firm.

      • ddtaylor4 hours ago
        Sadly, you're mostly right and the comments section saying to find a pro-bono lawyer is laughable. I think anyone who believes that exists should actually reach out to a real lawyer and see how that conversation goes. I've had those conversations.

        Firstly, they can't exist most of the time you can't actually call a lawyer and talk to them - you get their office and their "job" is to gatekeep that lawyer from making any discussions with anyone who isn't represented or paid for a consultation.

        Secondly, once you do get into contact with them you'll get a blank stare or phone silence. This is not how most lawyers view pro-bono work. Most of them have a very small quota of pro-bono work to be done and that's it. They get assigned a case by their firm or go and accept a few a year from the state and they're done with it. The idea that an altruistic lawyer exists out there ready to do free and unpaid work is virtually non-existent today.

    • direwolf20an hour ago
      It's lawful if you have a good faith belief that it's a circumvention tool.

      It might even be true. Not having a download button is a copy protection measure as defined in the DMCA. If this project bypasses not having a download button, it's an illegal circumvention measure under DMCA.

      • AnthonyMouse20 minutes ago
        > It's lawful if you have a good faith belief that it's a circumvention tool.

        Is it? Isn't Section 512 the takedown section that applies to infringing works (e.g. notices require "Identification of the copyrighted work claimed to have been infringed", 512(c)(3)(A)(ii)) and Section 1201 the separate anti-circumvention section which has government-imposed criminal penalties but no private takedown provision?

      • dns_snekan hour ago
        > Not having a download button is a copy protection measure.

        That's absurd. Not having something is different from actively implementing measures to prevent something. I could similarly make the argument that any content that I can watch on my device doesn't really have copy protection measures because those bytes were purposefully copied into my display buffer.

        Anti-circumvention provisions are a cancer that needs to die. They can be used to criminalize just about anything.

      • ehhthingan hour ago
        The problem here is that the complaint seems to be filed by the copyright owner (or licensee) but the code is accessing piracy sites. There could be a circumvention case if the piracy site is the one filing the copyright complaint, but they have not.
        • nondrool2 minutes ago

              https://github.com/mikf/gallery-dl/discussions/9304#discussioncomment-16279674
          
          I know for sure that at least some of the listed sites already remove content in response to fakku dmca. There is no fakku content on there.

              https://github.com/mikf/gallery-dl/discussions/9304#discussioncomment-16280050
          
          they also list hentaifoundry which afaik is a site for users to post their own art and is certainly not a piracy site
      • close04an hour ago
        Is that the benchmark? A website that disables the right click to prevent visitors from saving the content can still be saved by the browser. That’s an active measure to disable downloads being circumvented by the browser. So is Chrome going down?
    • imrozim4 hours ago
      [dead]
    • charcircuit5 hours ago
      Linking to piracy sites whose content is all blatantly stolen from artists does seem violating to me.
      • ddtaylor4 hours ago
        That seems like an argument to go after the actual alleged illegally hosted materials through the proper DMCA takedown request.
        • charcircuit4 hours ago
          Both should be done. Often the actual illegally hosted materials are on servers not friendly with takedown requests or will get immediately reloaded by the pirates. By going after the links it can cut off the ability for people to find the illegally hosted materials.
          • ddtaylor4 hours ago
            Seems like a strange way to attempt to police the internet by proxy. The Internet should ignore or route around people attempting to police how nodes connect to each other.
            • charcircuit19 minutes ago
              I agree that the larger Internet should be capable of routing lawful traffic through jurisdictions where such traffic is lawful to another jurisdiction where the traffic is lawful. But within a country for example local laws should be applied to the traffic.
              • AnthonyMouse10 minutes ago
                There are two options here:

                1) You can have an encrypted connection between two jurisdictions that have different laws, but then anyone can route around censorship because you don't know if they're discussing geopolitics or distributing DeCSS.

                2) You can't have an encrypted connection between two jurisdictions that have different laws, which is >99% of all connections because even different cities have different laws, which is an Orwellian panopticon and the destruction of all privacy.

                I'm going to have to insist we stick with the first one.

          • direwolf20an hour ago
            Is this like how in France, DNS resolvers are legally required to block certain websites? That's right, if you run "unbound" with default options in France you're a felon.
            • charcircuit12 minutes ago
              Yeah. The government can dictate what you are and aren't allowed to do. This is not a novel concept.
      • raziel27015 hours ago
        what piracy sites is gallery-dl linking to?
        • charcircuit4 hours ago
          I do not want to promote them here, but if you read the linked github thread you will see the names of what extractors were deleted.
          • ddtaylor4 hours ago
            Wait a second... By the view you're espousing right now, doesn't that make this conversation "illegal"? Why aren't we filing DMCA takedowns to HN because the list of the naughty sites is at the top of the page for this very thread?

            This seems like turtles all the way down.

          • logifail4 hours ago
            Through the DCMA lens, does a tool having the ability to download from example.com = linking to example.com?
            • charcircuit4 hours ago
              In this case the files you could view on github literally had links directly to copyrighted works. It was not just that it was compatible with pirate sites.
              • KomoD4 hours ago
                Where? I looked at a copy from March 16, and I only saw placeholders like 12345 and 12345/67890abcde in the files mentioned in the issue
                • charcircuit4 hours ago
                  Look in the test vectors and you will see ones that are not for generic ids.
  • resonanttoe15 minutes ago
    They're not moving to Codeberg, they mirrored there (and gitlab) as a precaution before a decision was made on how to handle.

    https://github.com/mikf/gallery-dl/discussions/9304#discussi... & https://github.com/mikf/gallery-dl/discussions/9304#discussi...

    There doesn't seem to be anything newer suggesting a total move

  • miyuru34 minutes ago
    There is a screenshot in the thread that makes all make sense.

    > I'll tell our DMCA agent you're in the clear

    https://github.com/mikf/gallery-dl/discussions/9304#discussi...

    similar to patent trolls, there is now a DMCA trolls for hire.

  • ddtaylor4 hours ago
    It's exciting to me recently with the increase in copyright abuse and AI blurring the lines that more people are going to be involved with decentralized systems.

    There have been multiple different ways to host git repositories over DHT networks such as BitTorrent. Similarly there have been ways to run DHT backed commands for Linux package managers like apt.

    These tools often receive little praise because the value of decentralized systems seems low when centralized systems are working to most users without too many issues.

    The enshittification is ramping up so quickly recently that more people are reaching out to me on how to setup Linux syatems, home media servers, etc. I genuinely enjoy these technologies, but for the last decade I had more or less just shut up about them to avoid being that guy.

    • 144 hours ago
      I was actually just wondering if torrents were the way to go. I don't have any experience with github so not sure if torrents are at all suitable but I always had the thought that they were decentralized so once released hard to stop as long as someone has a copy.
  • SergeAx4 hours ago
    You can't make up things like FAKKU, LLC. This simulation is out of control.
    • sunaookamian hour ago
      Especially ironic considering Fakku's history and their push to monopolize the hentai publishing industry in the west (!).
  • ernsheong5 hours ago
    They can just file another DMCA against Codeberg, what am I missing here?
    • normie30005 hours ago
      Sounds like Codeberg would still take down the repo, but would be more supportive: https://blog.codeberg.org/on-the-youtube-dl-dmca-takedown.ht... (2020)

      Maybe there are more recent examples?

    • landr0id4 hours ago
      For real. Use https://radicle.xyz/ if you want actual takedown resistance.
      • huijzer4 hours ago
        Or self-host Forgejo?
        • JLO643 hours ago
          This is what the Eden switch emulator does ever since Nintendo went after them on GitHub.
    • notThrowingAway4 hours ago
      That won't be easy because Codeberg follows German law.
      • echelon4 hours ago
        Germany and the EU will probably kowtow to the US if the DMCA requests or lawsuits are brought by big enough players.

        Big money interests rub shoulders with US politicians, US politicians deal with their overseas counterparts. Therefore, big enough DMCA requests will be mentioned behind closed doors in the same breath as international trade and other geopolitical concerns. Money protects money in deals between close enough friends and allies.

        If Codeberg were based in Russia or a US geopolitical adversary, on the other hand, such requests would likely be ignored.

        • lmz3 hours ago
          A DMCA takedown is targeted at the host and is a pre-lawsuit thing ("we claim X and if you take it down now your host is safe" via the DMCA Safe Harbor provisions). If they escalate to lawsuits then not sure it's significantly different in Germany vs the USA. It's not like Europe is free from things like blocking all of Cloudflare because the football league wants to.
  • HotGarbage4 hours ago
    Should that fail there's always https://gitflic.ru where Bypass Paywalls Clean lives
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  • _imnothere4 hours ago
    What a plain disgusting disgrace FAKKU has become.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fakku#History

  • LeonTing10105 hours ago
    [flagged]
    • perching_aix5 hours ago
      Moving to a Germany based host of all places, after being legally harassed over copyright, doesn't strike me as a particularly good idea. Aren't the local courts infamous for being awful to deal with?
  • gutley4 hours ago
    I would like to caution readers against visiting the sites that have the banned extractors listed for them. I did that and was visually accosted by cartoon pornography of young girls who look like children.

    It seems that this is a legal kerfuffle over a pornography downloader for pedophiles.