43 pointsby geox6 hours ago2 comments
  • cf100clunk4 hours ago
    • JumpCrisscrossan hour ago
      “Larson mentioned names of officers who talked with him”

      This will be more valuable than his presence at a “No Kings” rally. I hope he gets those names to the ACLU, FIRE and other organizations would can make a list and wait for a change in power.

      • peyton20 minutes ago
        Why would anybody in power want random people at the border turning up to protest the government? Seems like wishful thinking.

        Regardless, at the border you need to present identification. We have been using biometric identification to identify repeat detainees for decades. It’s the only way to make sure.

        It seems like an error in judgement on the part of this individual to believe he can come and protest without presenting the required identification.

  • whynotmaybe5 hours ago
    Ok, from the title, asking for DNA might be too much.

    > He says he wanted to join Americans at the “No Kings” rally .

    > Larson said he felt there was a good chance he’d be turned away at the border, “but I didn't expect the treatment that I got,”

    OK, what did he expect by explicitly stating that he wanted to bring disruption to a country?

    However you feel about the US situation, I think any border agent in the world would consider you a liability if you explicitly state that you want to take part in a demonstration against the elected government.

    • cf100clunk4 hours ago
      A border agent sensing that someone attempting to enter is a ''liability'' can and should simply turn the person around and forbid them entry. That's how it has always been done. This collection of DNA from a non-citizen for the FBI's use is an outrageous and awful new event.
      • peyton29 minutes ago
        https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2008/04/18/E8-8339...

        We’ve been doing this for 20 years. It’s the only way to be sure when somebody turns up at the border and gets in trouble a second time.

        This guy showed up at the border, said he’s here to protest the government, which got him detained, which triggered this mandatory sample collection rule.

        If you decide you will visit a foreign country and tell them you’re there to protest their government, you should probably research ahead of time what will happen to you.

        • snypher26 minutes ago
          >We’ve been doing this for 20 years

          Some of us remember pre 9-11 and others have completely normalized it.

    • throwawayk7h4 hours ago
      > “At no time did they question the intent of my visit," he said. "They never challenged that whatsoever.”

      I wonder how they knew. Social media?

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    • kelseyfrog4 hours ago
      > OK, what did he expect by explicitly stating that he wanted to bring disruption to a country?

      Exactly right! Order above all else, even rights. If you break the rules, you no longer deserve rights. Rights are based on your adherence to the state, not on natural or universal law.

      • anon70003 hours ago
        Lol. Great comment. I think people missed the sarcasm.
        • cf100clunk2 hours ago
          Was it sarcasm? I wondered if it was satire.
          • kelseyfrog18 minutes ago
            It's a reflection of The Doctrine of Fascism[1] (Benito Mussolini and Giovanni Gentile 1932). I find it important to read original works and point out when those threads resurface. Rights as a product of the state is a core belief as described by facists themselves opposed to the universal natural rights of the liberal project. You can see how rights tied to the state naturally produce an in group and out group, and an obsession of law and order, two common features of such regimes.

            The original passage reads

            "Fascism sees in the world not only those superficial, material aspects in which man appears as an individual, standing by himself, self-centered, subject to natural law, which instinctively urges him toward a life of selfish momentary pleasure; it sees not only the individual but the nation and the country; individuals and generations bound together by a moral law, with common traditions and a mission..."

            1. https://dn721808.ca.archive.org/0/items/mussolini-archive/Th...

    • sowbug2 hours ago
      > ...if you explicitly state that you want to take part in a demonstration against the elected government.

      Cambridge Dictionary's definition of a free country: a country where the government does not control what people say or do for political reasons and where people can express their opinions without punishment.

      • jepj57an hour ago
        They were talking about citizens there, not random people from other countries.
    • mindslight4 hours ago
      1. A protest is not "disruption".

      2. The "elected" government is explicitly prohibited from policing speech, and mostly strongly political speech.

      3. That restriction is framed in terms of natural rights that apply to all human beings, not merely citizens.

      Sorry, there is no "however you feel about" both-sidesism to be had in this situation. The time for discussing and debating differing political viewpoints is after we've ousted the fascists and restored our Constitutionally-limited government bound by the rule of law.

      I'm a libertarian, so I think many of the policies and narratives pushed by Democrats leave much to be desired. In fact I was both-sidesing up until 2020 or so (5d-chess and all). But at this point, I'm no longer going to be suckered by any of the fascists' dishonest appeals to things that I care about. In fact, I am going to criticize them even more because they are burning the credibility of appeals to individual liberty.

      • whynotmaybe39 minutes ago
        Yes, but as the US decided to put whoever they have in charge now, it's up to them to remove it.

        We always complain when Russia or China is meddling in any country's affairs but we should accept it when a Canadian does it in the US because we don't like who's in charge.

      • pixl974 hours ago
        Luckily these fascists control the SCOTUS so they can politely say "Mindslight, you're wrong because we can ignore previous case law whenever we want". Well, luckily for them, not for the rest of us.
        • JumpCrisscrossan hour ago
          > these fascists control the SCOTUS

          What’s learned helplessness when it isn’t learned but willed? SCOTUS has rejected “these fascists” multiple times. Electoral consequences to this administration are mounting. It’s wild to continue to ply lines of lazy nihilism when the evidence points so clearly the other way.

        • mindslight4 hours ago
          Sure? That is obviously one of the things that needs to be remediated as part of reclaiming our country.

          My original comment was talking about what ought rather than what is, in case that wasn't clear.