26 pointsby davikr10 hours ago3 comments
  • rendaw3 hours ago
    I've heard that duress pins/passwords and false roots and the like aren't actually helpful. IIRC the argument was that if they're familiar with your OS they're familiar with the duress pin capabilities.

    But even if that's the case, there's no way to tell if a duress pin was used, right? And if you're in a place with weak legal processes and they decide possibility=guilty, then the duress pin doesn't make things worse, right? I.e. if they wanted to do something to you, then "lack of evidence due to duress pin" is no different than just "lack of evidence" i.e. the pin at least doesn't make things worse...

    • stevefan19992 hours ago
      Simple, "if you try to enter the duress pin, you and your family and your friends, will be beaten to death, and I will make you watch them die one by one, unless you tell me the real pin, and then kill you next"

      Increasing the extreme and cruelty of violence. It always works. That also means the "investment" of each action will have higher stake, though.

      It is not an intimidating thought experiment, it is being used in the 2026 Iranian Protest by the IRGC

  • garciansmith6 hours ago
    Should be https://grapheneos.org/features#duress to get to the proper section.
    • mitchbob5 hours ago
      The Duress PIN/Password section is

      https://grapheneos.org/features#duress

      HN automatically uses canonical links for submitted pages when it can find them, and when it does the # and what follows in submission URLs aren't included. So to provide the full URL, you need to include it in a comment.

  • yndoendo3 hours ago
    For people that don't know.

    Duress PIN is a feature started by security systems. Entering the dress code would seam as if the security system was disabled while in the background it would contact the security company to send in the police.

    • rendaw3 hours ago
      Maybe generally, but in this case it seems like it just wipes the device.