25 pointsby m-hodges5 hours ago6 comments
  • roughly4 hours ago
    There is a reason why no US president in the last 40 years has gone through with the fantasy of attacking Iran. When even George W. Bush decides against a war, it means something.
    • cucumber37328423 hours ago
      I think George himself is the reason we wound up in Iraq and not Iran. That cabinet was just itching to invade a country full of brown people and oil we could "liberate". Afghanistan obviously didn't scratch that itch and all those people, just by nature of what was going on in the world earlier in their careers, f-ing hated Iran. Buuut, Iran would've been a tough sell. Meanwhile, just over the border there's this other other country full of oil and brown people that's run by a guy the world already considers bad, the propaganda will be easier, the coalition that's keeping him under control is kinda falling apart so we can use the threat of regional destabilization and terrorism to get buy in, the Bush family regrets leaving him in power so any "out of band" advice he may seek is going to be favorable, etc, etc.
    • fuzzfactor4 hours ago
      Well, hindsight's 20/20.

      Trump just doesn't have the snap that Biden had when he was that age, much less Bush.

      • roughly3 hours ago
        Foresight, in this case, was also 20/20. Just because they didn’t listen doesn’t mean they weren’t told.
  • whyage3 hours ago
    I wonder what the overall effect of this war will be on global warming. If you put together the awful pollution caused by the battle itself and the reduced oil and gas production that follows, it could be a net benefit. Sure, it's a sarcastic pov, but I'm trying to cling to the positive here so be nice.
    • bwestergard7 minutes ago
      Not only is it pushing production down, but the resulting high prices are almost certainly going to cause permanently lower demand in certain sectors and countries ("demand destruction").

      I would love to see a complete accounting in a year or so.

  • kylehotchkiss3 hours ago
    Ugh. my heart goes out to all the people in south and Southeast Asia who are now going to be paying substantially more for gas to heat up their food.
  • blurbleblurble4 hours ago
    If you haven't already, look what Pete Hegseth (whose mother disowned him) had to say to the top US commanders about sparking armageddon. This is ultimate bullshit. Cosplaying assholes with captain hook style hangups.
  • fuzzfactor4 hours ago
    In the words of the Qatari Energy Minister;

    "I never in my wildest dreams would have thought that Qatar would be - Qatar and the region - in such an attack, especially from a brotherly Muslim country in the month of Ramadan, attacking us in this way,"

    That's enough of a display of true leadership to put the ones in the US, Iran, and Israel to complete shame like absolute garbage just because of how bad they need to be thrown out.

  • juliusceasar4 hours ago
    Stop spreading nonsense. Israel is behind all this. Only ones to blames. Whatever Iran does is justified.
    • adrian_b4 hours ago
      Taking into account that Iran's own oil facilities had been bombed earlier this week and that they had threatened to retaliate if this happens, what Iran does seems indeed fair play.
    • fdghrtbrt4 hours ago
      100%. And I say this as a very pro-western person. Countries have the right to retaliate. Iran is using what little leverage they have.
      • imdsm4 hours ago
        Of course they do, which is why Israel's retaliation was their prerogative too.

        That being said, Hacker News isn't the place for politics so please can everyone go back to reddit if you're feeling emotional. Looking at you, juliusceasar.

        • fdghrtbrt2 hours ago
          Just to be sure we have your position right: Are you characterizing what Israel did as a retaliation? What specifically were they retaliating against?
        • salawatan hour ago
          Oh, stow it. Claim on you by the body politic doesn't end because you shove your fingers in your ears, or cover your eyes and go "Not listening! I see nothing!" Welcome to the real world, where grocery and fuel prices will be spiking because one particular group of morons decided to indulge in Nintendo warfare today. If you can't grow up enough to realize that your inaction and inattention drives these people's ability to get away with these things, you are part of the problem. Your luxury to abstain from the body politic is founded on the body politic not being suicidally aligned.
    • watwut4 hours ago
      USA and Israel started it. USA does not get to blame the smaller country for a war its leadership wanted.

      Second, no, "whatever Ira. Does is justified' is too much a blaket allowance. The Iranian regime does not get absolytion for everythijg just because it is in an illegal war USA started. They are plenty awful on their own.

      But yes, similar Iranian infrastructure is targetted by USA and Israel. Not by Quatar.

      • fdghrtbrt4 hours ago
        USA leadership is completely compromised, both democrats and republicans. They're all paid by AIPAC.
      • andriy_kovalan hour ago
        > USA and Israel started it.

        started current operation: yes. But its Iran who denies Israel right for existence, and funds/supports multiple forces with the same views.

        Such confrontation would happen anyway, the question would it happen now, or in 5 years when Iran potentially obtain nuclear weapons.

    • kylehotchkiss3 hours ago
      Constantly sending missiles and drones towards civilian buildings in Dubai and Doha is morally bankrupt and unjustifiable. It doesn't matter who UAE & Qatar are aligned with, they were at least a friend to Iran for many years.
      • fdghrtbrt2 hours ago
        Is what Israel does in Gaza morally bankrupt and unjustifiable?

        This isn't whataboutism because I'm not trying to negate your point. Instead, I'm just curious if you apply the same standard to Israel/Gaza or if you think that in that case killing innocent people is justified.

    • nine_zeros4 hours ago
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