496 pointsby ibraheemdev3 hours ago120 comments
  • NiloCK2 hours ago
    A concern:

    More and more plainly, OpenAI and Anthropic are making plays to own (and lease) the "means of production" in software. OK - I'm a pretty happy renter right now.

    As they gobble up previously open software stacks, how viable is it that these stacks remain open? It seems perfectly sensible to me that these providers and their users alike have an interest in further centralizing the dev lifecycle - eg, if Claude-Code or Codex are interfaces to cloud devenvs, then the models can get faster feedback cycles against build / test / etc tooling.

    But when the tooling authors are employees of one provider or another, you can bet that those providers will be at least a few versions ahead of the public releases of those build tools, and will enjoy local economies of scale in their pipelines that may not be public at all.

    • pixelsorta minute ago
      In the many darker timelines that one can extrapolate, capturing essential tech stacks is just a pre-cursor to capturing hiring.

      Once we start seeing Open AI and Anthropic getting into the certifications and testing they'll quickly become the gold standard. They won't even need to actually test anyone. People will simply consent to having their chat interactions analyzed.

      The models collect more information about us than we could ever imagine because definitionally, those features are unknown unknowns for humans. For ML, the gaps in our thinking carry far richer information about is than our actual vocabularies, topics of interest, or stylometric idiosyncrasies.

    • throwaway63467an hour ago
      It’s a small tool shop building a tiny part of the Python ecosystem, let’s not overstate their importance. They burned through their VC money and needed an exit and CLI tool chains are hyped now for LLMs, but this mostly sounds like an acquihire to me. Dev tools are among the hardest things to monetize with very few real winners, so good for them to get a good exit.
      • drumlan hour ago
        Small tool shop, burning VC money, true. "Tiny part of the Python ecosystem" is an understatement given how much impact uv has made alone.
        • roban hour ago
          Just a tiny project with over 100 million downloads every month, over 4 million every day. No big deal. Just a small shop, don't overstate its importance.

          https://pypistats.org/packages/uv

        • Hamukoan hour ago
          Do you have any statistics for that?
          • jengland40 minutes ago
            uv has almost 2x the number of monthly downloads Poetry has.

            - https://pypistats.org/packages/poetry - https://pypistats.org/packages/uv

            In the 2024 Python developer survey, 18% of the ecosystem used Poetry. When I opened this manifold question[0], I'm pretty sure uv was about half of Poetry downloads.

            Estimating from these numbers, probably about 30% of the ecosystem is using `uv` now. We'll get better numbers when the 2025 Python developer survey is published.

            Also see this: https://biggo.com/news/202510140723_uv-overtakes-pip-in-ci-u...

            [0]: https://manifold.markets/JeremiahEngland/will-uv-surpass-poe...

          • pm90an hour ago
            anecdotally every place ive worked at has switched over and never looked back.
            • _moof27 minutes ago
              Same. It's game-changing - leaps and bounds above every previous attempt to make Python's packaging, dependency management, and dev workflow easy. I don't know anyone who has tried uv and not immediately thrown every other tool out the window.
            • shawnwallan hour ago
              been in the python game a long time and i've seen so many tools in this space come and go over the years. i still rely on good ol pip and have had no issues. that said, we utilize mypy and ruff, and have moved to pyproject etc to remotely keep up with the times.
              • jitl24 minutes ago
                uv solved it, it will be the only tool people use in 2 more years. if you’re a python shop / expert then you can do pip etc but uv turned incidental python + deps from a huge PITA for the rest of us, to It Just Works simplicity on the same level or better than Golang.
                • 171862744022 minutes ago
                  I don't want software on my computer, that just downloads and installs random stuff. This is the job of the OS in particular the package manager.
                  • zbentley5 minutes ago
                    Do you not use non-OS package managers?

                    If not, do you develop software with source dependencies (go, java, node, rust, python)? If so, how do you handle acquiring those dependencies—by hand or using a tool?

                  • QuantumNomad_14 minutes ago
                    What’s the point of constraining oneself to what is in the OS package manager? I like to keep my dependencies up to date. The versions in the OS package manager are much older.

                    And let’s say you constrain yourself to your OS package manager. What about the people on different distros? Their package managers are unlikely to have the exact same versions of your deps that your OS has.

                  • mirekrusin16 minutes ago
                    Then don't use it?
      • woodruffw13 minutes ago
        As a point of order: Astral did not, in fact, burn through its VC money. I agree that dev tools are difficult to monetize, though.

        (Source: I'm an Astral employee.)

        • benterixa minute ago
          Finally someone competent to answer the crucial question. Taken into account the enormous amount of excellent work you did, and the fact that dev tools are hard to monetize, what was your strategy?
        • OriginalMrPink4 minutes ago
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      • throwaw1217 minutes ago
        uv and ruff is not tiny part anymore, its growing fast
    • hmokiguess4 minutes ago
      I'm just here for the day the weights will leak and all the moat will vanish unless you're a Google or Apple and can offer the compute at scale to sustain it.

      It's kinda crazy to think we're living in borrowed times in some ways, lots of unknown unknowns and speculations right now, but I think stuff is just gonna shuffle around.

    • volkercraigan hour ago
      It's not any different from the launch of the FSF. There's a simple solution. If you don't want your lunch eaten by a private equity firm, make sure whatever tool you use is GPL licensed.
      • palmoteaan hour ago
        > If you don't want your lunch eaten by a private equity firm, make sure whatever tool you use is GPL licensed.

        1. For the record: the GPL is entirely dependent on copyright.

        2. If AI "clean-room" re-implementations are allow to bypass copyright/licenses, the GPL won't protect you.

        • goku12an hour ago
          > If AI "clean-room" re-implementations are allow to bypass copyright/licenses, the GPL won't protect you.

          Isn't that the same for the obligations under BSD/MIT/Apache? The problem they're trying to address is a different one from the problem of AI copyright washing. It's fair to avoid introducing additional problems while debunking another point.

        • islandfox100an hour ago
          Maybe I'm reading wrong here, but what's the implication of the clean room re-implementations? Someone else is cloning with a changed license, but if I'm still on the GPL licensed tool, how am I "not protected"?
          • darkwater23 minutes ago
            1. Company A develops Project One as GPLv3

            2. BigCo bus Company A

            3a. usually here BigCo should continue to develop Project One as GPLv3, or stop working on it and the community would fork and it and continue working on it as GPLv3

            3b. BigCo does a "clean-room" reimplementation of Project One and releases it under proprietary licence. Community can still fork the older version and work on it, but BigCo can continue to develop and sell their "original" version.

          • eruan hour ago
            There's basically no different between GPL and BSD in that case.
      • petcatan hour ago
        The biggest scam the mega-clouds and the Githubs ever pulled was convincing open source developers that the GPL was somehow out of vogue and BSD/MIT/Apache was better.

        All so they could just vacuum it all up and resell it with impunity.

        • kjksfan hour ago
          I don't remember GitHub or Amazon advocating MIT over GPL.

          Feel free to prove me wrong by pointing out this massive amount of advocacy from "mega-clouds" that changed people's minds.

          The ads, the mailing list posts, social media comments. Anything at all you can trace to "mega-clouds" execs.

        • leetroutan hour ago
          I remember a somewhat prominent dev in the DC area putting on Twitter around 2012 or so something like "I do plenty of open source coding and I don't put a fucking license on it" and it stuck with me for all these years that it was a weird stance to take.
          • skeeter202044 minutes ago
            John Carmack said that about a week ago.
        • eruan hour ago
          Huh? When you deploy something in the cloud, you don't have to share your GPL'ed stuff either. Google doesn't.
    • rTX5CMRXIfFG2 hours ago
      If it ever goes bad, well I hope that that’s an impetus for new open source projects to be started — and with improvements over and lessons learned from incumbent technologies, right at the v1 of said projects.
      • Maxion2 hours ago
        If LLMs turn out to be such a force multiplier, the way to fight it is to ensure that there are open source LLMs.
        • captainblandan hour ago
          I think the issue is that LLMs are a cash problem as much as they are a technical problem. Consumer hardware architectures are still pretty unfriendly to running models which are actually competitive to useful models so if you want to even do inference on a model that's going to reliably give you decent results you're basically in enterprise territory. Unless you want to do it really slowly.

          The issue that I see is that Nvidia etc. are incentivised to perpetuate that so the open source community gets the table scraps of distills, fine-tunes etc.

          • butlike43 minutes ago
            You got me thinking that what's going to happen is some GPU maker is going to offer a subsidized GPU (or RAM stick, or ...whatever) if the GPU can do calculations while your computer is idle, not unlike Folding@home. This way, the company can use the distributed fleet of customer computers to do large computations, while the customer gets a reasonably priced GPU again.
            • vlovich12313 minutes ago
              The kinds of GPUs that are in use in enterprise are 30-40k and require a ~10KW system. The challenge with lower power cards is that 30 1k cards are not as powerful, especially since usually you have a few of the enterprise cards in a single unit that can be joined efficiently via high bandwidth link. But even if someone else is paying the utility bill, what happens when the person you gave the card to just doesn’t run the software? Good luck getting your GPU back.
        • fnordpigletan hour ago
          The problem is even if an OSS had the resources (massive data centers the size of NYC packed with top end custom GPU kits) to produce the weights, you need enormous VRAM laden farms of GPUs to do inference on a model like Opus 4.6. Unless the very math of frontier LLMs changes, don’t expect frontier OSS on par to be practical.
          • palmoteaan hour ago
            > you need enormous VRAM laden farms of GPUs to do inference on a model like Opus 4.6.

            It's probably a trade secret, but what's the actual per-user resource requirement to run the model?

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        • runarbergan hour ago
          That would be accepting the framing of your class enemy, there is no reason to do that.
        • metalliqazan hour ago
          unless they are also pirate LLMs, I don't see how any open source project could have pockets deep enough for the datacenters needed to seriously contend
      • bix6an hour ago
        If it goes bad? It’s too late by that point. And how is open source going to compete with billions of investment dollars?
        • darth_avocadoan hour ago
          If AI tools are as good as the CEOs claim, we should have no friction towards building multiple open source alternatives very quickly. Unless of course, they aren’t as good as they are being sold as, in which case, we have nothing to worry about.
      • hot_iron_dust2 hours ago
        What would the new open source projects do differently from the "old" ones? I don't think you can forbid model training on your code if your project is open source.
    • cube2222an hour ago
      Honestly, for now they seem to be buying companies built around Open Source projects which otherwise didn't really have a good story to pay for their development long-term anyway. And it seems like the primary reason is just expertise and tooling for building their CLI tools.

      As long as they keep the original projects maintained and those aren't just acqui-hires, I think this is almost as good as we can hope for.

      (thinking mainly about Bun here as the other one)

      • bix6an hour ago
        And how likely is that?

        Once you’re acquired you have to do what the boss says. That means prioritizing your work to benefit the company. That is often not compatible with true open source.

        How frequently do acquired projects seriously maintain their independence? That is rare. They may have more resources but they also have obligations.

        And this doesn’t even touch on the whole commodification and box out strategy that so many tech giants have employed.

    • TrackerFFan hour ago
      But how does this work out in the long run, in the case of AGI?

      If AGI becomes available, especially at the local and open-source level, shouldn't all these be democratized - meaning that the AGI can simply roll out the tooling you need.

      After all, AGI is what all these companies are chasing.

      • butlike42 minutes ago
        Let us assume AGI never comes. I don't plan scenarios for when aliens land, why should I for AGI? It's not particularly close.
    • butlikean hour ago
      If it becomes too antagonistic, people will change. The desire to build things is larger than any given iron fist du jour. Just ask Oracle or IBM.
      • goku1238 minutes ago
        Could you say the same about the Chrome browser? Google is using it to EEE the web (Embrace, Extend and Extend it till it's a monstrosity that nobody else can manage). That's pretty antagonistic. But did people change?
    • AndrewKemendoan hour ago
      Explain to me how this is any different than Microsoft, Blackrock, Google, Oracle, Berkshire or any other giant company acquiring their way to market share?
    • devnotes772 hours ago
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  • hijodelsol2 hours ago
    This is a serious risk for the open source ecosystem and particularly the scientific ecosystem that over the last years has adopted many of these technologies. Having their future depend on a cap-ex heavy company that is currently (based on reporting) spending approx. 2.5 dollars to make a dollar of revenue and must have hypergrowth in the next years or perish is less than ideal. This should discourage anybody doing serious work to adopt more of the upcoming Astral technologies like ty and pyx. Hopefully, ruff and uv are large enough to be forked should (when) the time comes.
    • rst2 hours ago
      On the flip side, I'm not sure I ever saw a revenue plan or exit strategy for Astral other than acquihire. And most plausible bidders are unfortunate in one way or another.
      • japhyr2 hours ago
        Astral was building a private package hosting system for enterprise customers. That was their stated approach to becoming profitable, while continuing to fund their open source work.
        • organsnyderan hour ago
          Private package hosting sounds like a commodity that would be hard to differentiate.
          • atomicnumber316 minutes ago
            A commodity yes, but could be wrapped in to work very nicely with the latest and greatest in python tooling. Remember, the only 2 ways to make money are by bundling and unbundling. This seems like a pretty easy bundling story.
          • IshKebab18 minutes ago
            Yeah you'd think so but somehow JFrog (makers of Artifactory) made half a billion dollars last year. I don't really understand that. Conda also makes an implausible amount of money.
            • japhyr14 minutes ago
              From my understanding there are a lot of companies that need their own package repositories, for a variety of reasons. I listened to a couple podcasts where Charlie Marsh outlined their plans for pyx, and why they felt their entry into that market would be profitable. My guess is that OpenAI just dangled way more money in their faces than what they were likely to get from pyx.

              Having a private package index gives you a central place where all employees can install from, without having to screen what each person is installing. Also, if I remember right, there are some large AI and ML focused packages that benefit from an index that's tuned to your specific hardware and workflows.

        • pjmlp38 minutes ago
          What would be the added value against JFrog or Nexus, for example?
        • r_leean hour ago
          that was never going to work, let's be honest
      • hijodelsol2 hours ago
        They could have joined projects like the Linux Foundation which try to not depend on any single donor, even though complete independence from big tech is not possible. I don't know the motivation behind Astral's approach, but this acquisition does leave a weird taste behind about how serious they were about truly open source software. Time will tell, I guess. (Edit: typo)
    • Maxion2 hours ago
      These tools are open source, if they lock them down the community will just fork them.
      • pjmlp2 hours ago
        Nice idea in theory, in practice is how many folks down in Nebraska are going to show up.
      • hijodelsol2 hours ago
        This might be true for uv and ruff, and hopefully that will happen. But pyx is a platform with associated hosting and if successful would lock people into the Astral ecosystem, even if the code itself was open source.
    • pjmlp2 hours ago
      I never adopted them, keep using mostly Python written stuff.

      Either pay for the product, or use stuff that isn't dependent on VC money, this is always how it ends.

      • hijodelsol2 hours ago
        There are ways to independently fund open source projects, though. I have previously contributed to the Python Software Foundation and to individual open source maintainers through GitHub donations (which are not dependent on GitHub, as there are many alternatives). Projects like the Linux Foundation exist, too. And government funding, especially for scientific endeavors or where software is used to fulfill critical state tasks, is an option, too. I refuse to subject to the hypercommercialization of software and still believe in the principles behind open source.
        • pjmlp2 hours ago
          Which is why I mentioned "....use stuff that isn't dependent on VC money...".
      • WhyNotHugo2 hours ago
        > I never adopted them, keep using mostly Python written stuff.

        Maybe you use non-transitive pure Python dependencies, but it's likely that your tools and dependencies still rely on stuff in Rust or C (e.g.: py-cryptography and Python itself respectively).

        • pjmlp43 minutes ago
          I use mostly the batteries, given that the only purpose I have for Python, since version 1.6, is UNIX scripting tasks, beyond shell.

          As mentioned multiple times, since my experience with Tcl and continuously rewriting stuff in C, I tend to avoid languages that don't come with JIT, or AOT, in the reference tooling.

          I tend to work with Java, .NET, node, C++, for application code.

          Naturally AI now changes that, still I tend to focus on approaches that are more classical Python with pip, venv, stuff written in C or C++ that is around for years.

    • tmaly2 hours ago
      Would single maintainers of critical open source projects be a better situation?
      • mcdonje2 hours ago
        Are you not aware of foundations?
        • kjksf27 minutes ago
          The issue is lack of money not lack of legal structure.

          Consider ffmpeg. You can donate via https://www.ffmpeg.org/spi.html

          How much money do they make from donations? I don't know but "In practice we frequently payed for travel and hardware."

          Translation: nothing at all.

          If such a fundamental project that is a revenue driver for so many companies, including midas-level rich companies like Google, can't even pay decent salaries for core devs from donations, then open source model doesn't work in terms of funding the work even at the smallest possible levels of "pay a reasonable market rate for devs".

          You either get people who just work for free or businesses built around free work by providing something in addition to free software (which is hard to pull off, as we've seen with Bun and Astral and Deno and Node).

    • llll_lllllll_l2 hours ago
      I don't know how to search for that report, can you share it?
  • huksley2 hours ago
    UV_DISABLE_AGENT=1 UV_DISABLE_AI_HINTS=1 uv add
  • japhyr2 hours ago
    This has me thinking about VS Code and VS Codium. I've used VS Code for a while now, but recently grew annoyed at the increasingly prevalent prompts to subscribe to various Microsoft AI tools. I know you can make them go away, but if you bounce between different systems, and particularly deal with installing VS Code on a regular basis, it becomes annoying.

    I started using VS Codium, and it feels like using VS Code before the AI hype era. I wonder if we're going to see a commercial version of uv bloated with the things OpenAI wants us all to use, and a community version that's more like the uv we're using right now.

  • jjice2 hours ago
    Not who I would've liked to acquire Astral. As long as OpenAI doesn't force bad decisions on to Astral too hard, I'm very happy for the Astral team. They've been making some of the best Python tooling that has made the ecosystem so much better IME.
    • smallpipe2 hours ago
      If Codex’s core quality is anything to go by, it’s time to create a community fork of UV
      • pronik43 minutes ago
        Maybe they are being acquired to improve the quality of Codex.
    • supriyo-biswas26 minutes ago
      Eh, if it turns out to be too bad I guess I’ll just end up switching back to pipenv, which is the closest thing to uv (especially due to the automatic Python version management, but not as fast).
      • zbentley2 minutes ago
        Does pipenv download and install prebuilt interpreters when managing Python versions? Last I used it it relied on pyenv to do a local build, which is incredibly finicky on heterogenous fleets of computers.
    • lern_too_spelan hour ago
      The priorities of the tooling will change to help agents instead of human users directly. That's all that's happening.
  • incognito1242 hours ago
    Possibly the worst possible news for the Python ecosystem. Absolutely devastating. Congrats to the team
    • blitzaran hour ago
      I hope they got paid, I will be very sad if they didn't at least get G5 money.
    • vdfsan hour ago
      On the other hand, we get to see what other thing will try to replace pip
    • PurpleRamenan hour ago
      Yeah, no. there are many worse news than this.

      In the worst case, Astral will stop developing their tools, someone else will pick them up and will continue polishing them. In the best case, they will just continue as they did until now, and nothing will really change on that front.

      Astral is doing good work, but their greatest benefit for the ecosystem so far was showing what's possible and how it's down. Now everyone can take up the quest from here and continue. So any possible harm from here out will be not that deep, at worst we will be missing out on many more cool things they could have built.

  • lucrbvi2 hours ago
    This is a weird pattern accross OpenAI/Anthropic to buy startups building better toolings.

    I don't really see the value for OAI/Anthropic, but it's nice to know that uv (+ ty and many others) and Bun will stay maintained!

    • jpalomaki2 hours ago
      Somebody took a deeper look at Claude Code and claims to find evidence of Anthropic's PaaS offering [1]. There's certainly money to be made by offering a nice platform where "citizen developers" can push their code.

      From Astral the (fast) linter and type checker are pretty useful companions for agentic development.

      [1] https://x.com/AprilNEA/status/2034209430158619084

      • lucrbvi2 hours ago
        I wouldn't be surprised if Vercel were bought by Anthropic/OAI (but maybe it would be too expensive?)
        • bikelangan hour ago
          No no - SpaceX/xAi must now buy Vercel so that we can deploy our bloated Next apps to space.
        • jimmydoean hour ago
          Nothing is too expensive. It will be a bidding war.
    • synthc2 hours ago
      `uv agent` and `bun agent` in 3....2.....1....
      • rgilliotte2 hours ago
        Totally agree

        The value for Anthropic / OAI is that they have a strong interest in becoming the "default" agent.

        The one that you don't need to install, because it's already provided by your package manager.

        • everforwardan hour ago
          I don't think this holds because we're talking about developers who know how to use a package manager, on a piece of software you have to install anyways. The friction of "uv add $other_llm_software" is too low for it to have a real impact.

          I think they're more into the extra context they can build for the LLM with ruff/ty.

          • siva730 minutes ago
            You fool think they are targeting developers with this purchase?
            • everforward16 minutes ago
              I don’t think they’re targeting the C suite with it, because they don’t use uv and Microsoft already has Copilot for the “it’s bad but bundled with stuff you’re already paying for” market.
    • DoctorDabadedoo2 hours ago
      Good that they got some money and a longer runaway, but I have my doubts the product will improve rather than be smothered to death.

      Embrace, extend, extinguish. Time will tell.

    • butlike30 minutes ago
      They probably prompted for what they should do next and got this as a half-hallucinated response lol
    • 0x3f2 hours ago
      > it's nice to know that uv (+ ty and many others) and Bun will stay maintained!

      Depends if you think the bubble is going to pop, I suppose. In some sense, independence was insulation.

    • itissid2 hours ago
      Isn't this something to do with their paid pyx(as opposed to ty/ruff etc) thingy?
    • LoganDark2 hours ago
      I'm not so sure. I sort of wish they hadn't been acquired because these sort of acquihires usually result in stifling the competition while the incumbent stagnates. It definitely is an acquihire given OpenAI explicitly states they'll be joining the Codex team and only that their existing open-source projects will remain "maintained".
    • christina972 hours ago
      I mean they are “startups” on the way to mega-companies. They need internal tooling to match.
  • ragebol2 hours ago
    Not often that I audibly groan at a HN headline :-(
    • alex_suzukian hour ago
      Same here. I’ve adopted uv across all of my Python projects and couldn’t be happier. ty looks very promising as well.

      Probably inevitable, and I don’t blame the team, I just wish it were someone else.

      • ragebolan hour ago
        Ty, Ruff, UV, all great tools I recently started really using and I couldn't be happier with them.

        Sigh

    • krick24 minutes ago
      I think, it may be the first time I am actually upset by acquire announcement. I am usually like "well, it is what it is", but this time it just feels like betrayal.
  • jedahan2 hours ago
    great for astral, sucks for uv. was nice to have sane tooling at least for a few years, thanks for the gift.
    • ziml772 hours ago
      I really hope they don't kill off uv or turn it into some way to sell OpenAI services. But I suspect that's exactly what's going to happen :(
      • butlike27 minutes ago
        I don't know. yarn never really turned into a vehicle to sell Facebook, though you always kind of transiently knew it was FB that offered it. I imagine that sort of transient advertising is it's own value, too.
    • pennomi43 minutes ago
      Time for the PSF to consider something inspired by uv as a native solution.
      • Kwpolska9 minutes ago
        The core-adjacent people have completely failed to produce reasonable packaging tools for decades, why would you want another new tool from them?
  • daredoes5 minutes ago
    It would seem to me that purchasing a piece of software as an AI company is just an outright admission that they could not generate an equivalent piece of software for a better price?

    If it was cheaper to use their internal AI to create these tools, they would.

  • KolmogorovComp2 hours ago
    It's a good news to me considering their open-source nature. If/when they go downhill there will be still the option to fork, and the previous work will still have been funded.

    Now for those wondering who would fork and maintain it for free, that is more of a critic of FOSS in general.

  • wiseowisea minute ago
    So begins the uv-Bun war.
  • fnands2 hours ago
    Woah, first Anthropic buys Bun, now OpenAI Astral?

    Seems like the big AI players love buying up the good dev tooling companies.

    I hope this means the Astral folks can keep doing what they are doing, because I absolutely love uv (ruff is pretty nice too).

    • dcreager2 hours ago
      > I hope this means the Astral folks can keep doing what they are doing, because I absolutely love uv (ruff is pretty nice too).

      That is definitely the plan!

      • piva002 hours ago
        Being in this industry for over 20 years probably jaded me a lot, I understand that's the plan but it's almost always the plan (or publicly stated as).

        Only time will tell if it will not affect the ecosystem negatively, best of luck though, I really hope this time is different™.

        • dcreageran hour ago
          I've been in the industry for similarly long, and I understand and sympathize with this view. All I can say is that _right now_, we're committed to maintaining our open-source tools with the same level of effort, care, and attention to detail as before. That does not change with this acquisition. No one can guarantee how motives, incentives, and decisions might change years down the line. But that's why we bake optionality into it with the tools being permissively licensed. That makes the worst-case scenarios have the shape of "fork and move on", and not "software disappears forever".
          • gib4448 minutes ago
            Literally there is no public comment you are allowed to make that we haven't heard 100 times before.

            Congratulations though!

          • bbkanean hour ago
            I personally get a lot of confidence in the permissive licensing (both in the current code quality, and the "backup plan" that I can keep using it in the event of an Astralnomical emergency); thank you for being open source!
    • a3w39 minutes ago
      JS vs Python wars, redux?
    • a-french-anon2 hours ago
      >Seems like the big AI players love buying up the good dev tooling companies.

      Would be a good mustache-twirling cartoon villain tactics, you know, try to prevent advances in developer experience to make vibecoding more attractive =)

      • bonesss2 hours ago
        It also hints even The Big Guys can’t LLM their tooling fully, and that current bleeding edge “AI” companies are doing that IT thing of making IT for IT (ie dev components, tooling, etc), instead of conquering some entire market on one continent or the other…
        • Ekaros2 hours ago
          Makes you really think about the true productivity. If these companies have the beyond cutting-edge unreleased models so best possible tools shouldn't they be able to poach just a few most important people for cheaper? And then those people could use AI to build new superior product in very fast time. There is also buying an userbase. But I wonder how the key talent purchase strategy would work in comparison...
      • delfinom2 hours ago
        You know it's absolutely going that way. That's the lifecycle of corporate strategy.
  • time0ut2 hours ago
    I love uv and the other tooling Astral has built. It really helped reinvigorate my love for Python over the last year.

    Something like this was always inevitable. I just hope it doesn’t ruin a good thing.

  • mark_l_watson25 minutes ago
    I am very unhappy about this. Astral tools like uv are key to my work/experimenting process. I think OpenAI sucks as a company.

    That said, I hope the excellent Astral team got. good payday.

  • JoshTriplett2 hours ago
    Welp. I used to respect Astral. I hope someone responsible forks their Python tooling and maintains it. Ideally a foundation rather than a company.
    • krick18 minutes ago
      Yeah, well, the fact is that every person who ever touches Python needed uv, but only Astral folks created it. So, nope, there's no one capable of filling the void, just accept that it's fucked now. The best die first.
  • clickety_clack2 hours ago
    I don’t know who I would’ve like to see but them, buy OpenAI is not it. Sad day for uv, ruff and ty users.
  • weakfish2 hours ago
    What happens when OpenAI’s burn dries up their cash?
    • throwa3562622 hours ago
      They mysteriously gain a lot of government contracts.

      In a completely unrelated event, Donald sues Sam for 10M$ for calling him old, Sam grudingly agrees to pay him 16M$ and a beer.

    • gmercan hour ago
      That's where taxpayers come in a the ultimate bagholder.
    • Cthulhu_2 hours ago
      They get more money from investors, go public, or get bought.
    • Fervicusan hour ago
      Taxpayers bail them out.
    • prodigycorp2 hours ago
      $110B will surely last for at least a year.
      • morphologyan hour ago
        That money is going directly to Jensen as quickly as possible to secure OpenAI's place in the delivery queue
        • prodigycorpan hour ago
          The investment version of "can you climb up a falling ladder fast enough to not fall"
    • sourcegrift2 hours ago
      RAM prices go down. My hope though is that the period RAM prices stay up will put electron apps out of market.
      • genthree43 minutes ago
        All the vibe-coded webshitware these companies are putting out seems too be doing the opposite: it's all even more memory- and cycle-hungry than the webshit we were lovingly pooping out by hand for the last decade.
    • gedy2 hours ago
      "We must be regulated to contain the nuclear bomb like power of our products. Oh look it escaped again!", etc
  • afavour2 hours ago
    And so, more core functionality developers depend on becomes dependent on a continuing stream of billions in VC funding. What could go wrong?
    • philipallstar2 hours ago
      The funding for the PSF goes into social activism, so private companies have to step up and fill the tooling gap.
  • kkirsche2 hours ago
    Happy for the team, sad for users. I just don’t believe their work will continue under new ownership
  • petercooper2 hours ago
    I feel some "commoditize your complements" (Spolsky) vibes hearing about these acquisitions. Or, potentially, "control your complements"?

    If you find your popular, expensive tool leans heavily upon third party tools, it doesn't seem a crazy idea to purchase them for peanuts (compared to your overall worth) to both optimize your tool to use them better and, maybe, reduce the efficacy of how your competitors use them (like changing the API over time, controlling the feature roadmap, etc.) Or maybe I'm being paranoid :-)

  • seanplusplus20 minutes ago
    I'm into this.

    Anthropic acquiring Bun, now OpenAI acquiring Astral. Both show the big labs recognize that great AI coding tools require great developer tooling, and they are willing to pay for it rather than build inferior alternatives. Good outcome for the teams.

    Not exactly a great look for the "AGI is right around the corner" crowd — if the labs had it, they would not need to buy software from humans.

    • gritspants9 minutes ago
      I'm assuming that they were buying great Rust devs (given codex is written in it).
  • photon_collider2 hours ago
    Reading this news only leaves me worried about long-term future of these open source tools.
    • Ekaros2 hours ago
      I have long since found the VC model for open source questionable. If you are not selling popular enough direct enterprise support what is the model to actually make money.

      Take ruff, I have used it, but I had no idea it even had a company behind it... And I must not be only one and it must not be only tool like it...

  • EddieLomaxa minute ago
    Goddamnit
  • fortuitous-frog26 minutes ago
    While I -- like most other commenters -- am dubious of both OpenAI and this acquisition, I think it's pretty reasonable to wait to see how this turns out before rushing to final judgment.

    Everything I've seen from Astral and Charlie indicates they're brilliant, caring, and overall reasonable folks. I think it's unfair to jump to call them sell-outs and cast uv and the rest as doomed projects.

    • walthamstow5 minutes ago
      Charlie's fine. OpenAI are the problem here. Similar situation to steipete. Happy for the person, sad for the tool/ecosystem/everyone else.
    • yoyohello1323 minutes ago
      We always "wait and see" and it always turns out terrible. Even if the original founders stay on, eventually they will get pushed out when their morals conflict with company goals. Wont happen overnight, but uv will enshitify eventually.
  • natemcintoshan hour ago
    Personally, I'd expect a few good years of stewardship, and then a decline in investment. I can only hope there are enough community members to keep things going by then.
  • jredwards17 minutes ago
    As someone who loves Astral and hates OpenAI, this is making me pretty sad.
  • __mharrison__38 minutes ago
    Interesting acquihire. I would have assumed MS would have snagged them (until their __layoffs__ last year). My gut is that this is more for Python expertise, and ruff/ty knowledge of linting code than uv...

    I'm a heavy user and instructor of uv. I'm teaching a course next week that features uv and rough (as does my recent Effective Testing book).

    Interesting to read the comments about looking for a change. Honestly, uv is so much better than anything else in the Python community right now. We've used projects sponsored by Meta (and other questionable companies) in the past. I'm going to continue enjoying uv while I can.

  • pgwalsh21 minutes ago
    UV, Ruff, and Ty are all very good things, hopefully that doesn't change and gets better.
  • testfrequency26 minutes ago
    I’ve been thinking about purchasing zsh myself
  • Fiveplus33 minutes ago
    The "commitment to open source" line in these press releases usually has a half-life of about 18 months before the telemetry starts getting invasive.
  • cozzyd2 hours ago
    This will solve the problem of when the package you want to install doesn't exist yet.
  • opyate40 minutes ago
    This is your friendly PSA that pip-tools still exist.

    https://github.com/jazzband/pip-tools

  • hmokiguess2 hours ago
    Mixed feelings, happy for the guy, he deserves it. Unhappy about whom he went with, though not sure if he had other buyers / offers in the mix?
  • isodevan hour ago
    And this is why we don't use tools by VC funded corps.
  • backwardation_b2 hours ago
    I like uv, but not sure this is a good path forward for the python ecosystem.
    • pas2 hours ago
      why? lot's of good work came to Python by people who were sponsored by big tech companies. make Python better for them, and for a lot of other people too.

      (sure, it's a bit different than contributing to CPython, but I'd argue not that different)

      • rkangel2 hours ago
        It is VERY different. One company now has complete control of the activities of the team developing these tools. Contributing to Python (money or time) gets you some influence, but doesn't allow you to dictate anything - there's still a team making the decisions.
  • ddxv2 hours ago
    This is why I still like to setup projects and environments with my own `make` `venv` and `pip`.
  • Mxbonn2 hours ago
    uv and ruff are one of the best things that happened in the python ecosystem the last years. I hope this acquisition does not put them on a path to doom.
  • chocksan hour ago
    Fantastic for the team, huge fan for Ruff and Uv. Hope OpenAI continues with the OSS tooling and not introduce restrictive licensing.
  • kseniamorphan hour ago
    i feel like moves like this make it even harder for new open-source tools to break through. there's already evidence that LLMs are biased toward established tools in their training data (you can check it here https://amplifying.ai/research/claude-code-picks). when a dominant player acquires the most popular toolchain in an ecosystem, that bias only deepens. not because of any skewing, but because the acquired tools get more usage, more documentation, more community content. getting a new project into model weights at meaningful scale is already really hard. acquisitions like this make it even harder.
    • fortuitous-frog33 minutes ago
      I'm also concerned about this, but I feel as though uv and ruff's explosive growth happening alongside and despite that of LLMs demonstrates that it's not a show-stopper. I vividly recall LLM coding agents defaulting to pip/poetry and black/flake8, etc. for new projects. It still does that to some extent, but I see them using uv and ruff by default -- without any steering from me -- with far greater frequency.

      Perhaps it's naive optimism, but I generally have hope that new and improved tools will continue to gain adoption and shine through in the training data, especially as post-training and continual learning improve.

  • the__alchemistan hour ago
    Would there be any interest in me fixing the bugs in Pyflow and getting it updated to install newer python versions? It's almost identical to uv in concept, but I haven't touched it in 6 years.

    Astral has demonstrated that there is desire for this sort of "just works" thing, which I struggled with, and led me to abandoning it. (I.e.: "pip/venv/conda are fine, why do I want this?", despite my personal experience with those as high-friction)

  • Bnjorogean hour ago
    This was pretty obvious to just about anyone tbh. FastAPI is probably next
    • incognito12412 minutes ago
      I thought some more about it, and unfortunately it makes sense. IIRC there were several "insider" blogposts from OpenAI that said something along the lines of "Yeah almost every service we write is FastAPI"
    • incognito124an hour ago
      Don't even joke
      • Bnjorogean hour ago
        vcs gotta eat somehow, and iirc they were building a "fastapi cloud platform"
  • tom13372 hours ago
    As a non python dev I really thought UV and TY are great tools and liked their approaches but I don't know how good it is that they are privately held... no a fan
    • incognito1242 hours ago
      Technically the tools are not privately held, they're OSS with a permissive licence. It's just that the bulk of work was done by them. The acquisition (ostensibly) changes none of that
  • fnands2 hours ago
    Related (OpenAI announcement): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47438716
  • nnevatie21 minutes ago
    > I am so excited to keep building with you.

    Fixed: I am so excited to take these millions of dollars.

  • amterp2 hours ago
    Happy for the devs, they deserve the presumably massive payout for the amount of value they’ve brought to the Python community.
  • AnishLaddha2 hours ago
    F*CK. take everything from me why dontcha?
  • saxwick18 minutes ago
    Btw astral repo has Claude as one of its top contributors
  • speedgoose22 minutes ago
    I was hoping that uv and ruff were the ones. I guess Python has a curse.
  • phlakaton2 hours ago
    I hope OpenAI realizes they cannot buy developer goodwill.
    • this_user2 hours ago
      They are not trying to buy developer goodwill, they are trying to catch up with Antrophic in terms of getting those B2B contracts, which is currently the most realistic path towards not running out of money.
      • phlakatonan hour ago
        1. The Register reports OpenAI is well ahead of Anthropic in B2B contracts. It's Anthropic playing catch-up, not OpenAI.

        2. In any case, the announcement strongly suggests that customer acquisition had little to do with this. The stated purpose of the acquisition, as I read it, is an acquisition (plus acquihire?) to bolster their Codex product.

        3. But if they were hoping for some developer goodwill as a secondary effect... well, see my note above.

  • skeledrewan hour ago
    After investing a bunch in converting my projects to, and evangelizing uv, I feel betrayed. I smell stability troubles ahead. Should've stuck to Conda.
  • s_ting76517 minutes ago
    It should have been FastAPI instead.
  • geophph2 hours ago
    Welp. Guess we just wait for the next package management tool to come around. Really thought uv was gonna be the one.

    Good for Astral though I guess, they do great work. Just not optimistic this is gonna be good for python devs long term.

  • dinosor2 hours ago
    I'm confused as to what will happen to their platform product which was in closed beta - pyx. Since they no longer need to worry about money (I assume) they no longer need to chase after enterprise customers?
  • nrvn34 minutes ago
    Should I freeze my plans to migrate from `poetry` to `uv` at "${WORK}"?
    • tyree731a minute ago
      Assuming things start getting weird about 18 months from now, poetry and uv have very similar semantics, so 18 months of comically faster workflows sounds nice.
    • butlike23 minutes ago
      Sure, why not
  • articsputnik2 hours ago
    to be expected at some point, but for the independence and best interest of the Python ecosystem, I don't think it's a plus.
  • gessha27 minutes ago
    I see people in this thread complain about the acquisition but the source code of uv is right there [1]. Fork it and move on. If ClosedAI enshittifies uv, gather with a bunch of other people and prop up a new version.

    [1] https://github.com/astral-sh/uv

  • sublime_happen2 hours ago
    these (uv and bun) are not acquihires, they're acqui-rootaccess
  • Bnjorogean hour ago
    It was pretty obvious that some sort of acquisition was imminent. Astral is vc-funded and has to somehow generate returns for investors. An IPO is extremely unlikley in this market.
  • brooke2k34 minutes ago
    nooooooooooooooo god why. I loved uv. just why
  • readitalready2 hours ago
    I'd expect OpenAi to make some type of Github clone next, perhaps with Astral, or maybe with jujutsu.
    • PurpleRamenan hour ago
      Why? Github is already owned by Microsoft, who are deep in with OpenAI. And what worth would a Github-clone even have for the world? It's not like there is any important innovation left in that space at the moment, or are there any?
  • merrvkan hour ago
    Who advises on these acquisitions?

    Or are they just using a dartboard?

  • jimmydoe2 hours ago
    It’s meant to be bought so at least no more guessing.

    Ant is building their app distribution platform, so no wonder OpenAI thinking the same, it will only surprise me if they move so slow.

  • godblessamericaan hour ago
    How are they acquiring it without "open" in their name?
  • applfanboysbgon2 hours ago
    Company that repeatedly tells you software developers are obsoleted by their product buys more software developers instead of using said product to create software. Hmm.
    • lm28469an hour ago
      They said it'll be good enough in two weeks, give them some time!
      • XCSme37 minutes ago
        Which year was that?
        • lm2846919 minutes ago
          Between when they said VR would be as common as TVs in two years, and before Musk said we'd be on mars in 5 years
        • wilkystyle29 minutes ago
          All of them
    • siva732 minutes ago
      They're not buying developers, they are buying the whole ecosystem to produce software. Still aligned with their original message.
      • applfanboysbgon30 minutes ago
        If the product did what it was advertised to do, they could simply build their own ecosystem for producing software and train the model to use it.
        • siva726 minutes ago
          Or, they could use a battle-proven existing solution because they can.
          • applfanboysbgon24 minutes ago
            "Because they can", after spending a bunch of money to acquire an existing solution. I suppose when it's other people's money, there's no problem with burning it by the fistful. Apparently, "because they can" does not extend to building solutions with their own product.
    • tripledry20 minutes ago
      When someone at work talks about all software devs being replaced I link them to the Anthropic career pages.
    • largbae43 minutes ago
      They're writing the software to end all softwares!
    • waynesonfirean hour ago
      And, they buy a company writing tooling for Python in not Python.
      • LollipopYakuza34 minutes ago
        A tool might not be the best tool to build itself, doesn't mean it is not good. You don't use a screwdriver to craft screwdrivers. Doesn't mean screwdrivers are inherently bad
    • avaer2 hours ago
      As good as the team is, that's not what they're buying in this case.
      • suddenlybananas2 hours ago
        What are they buying?
        • rvnx2 hours ago
          > Second, to our investors, especially Casey Aylward from Accel, who led our Seed and Series A, and Jennifer Li from Andreessen Horowitz, who led our Series B

          They are buying out investors, it's like musical chairs.

          The liquidity is going to be better on OpenAI, so it pleases everyone (less pressure from investors, more liquidity for investors).

          The acquisition is just a collateral effect.

          • tgtweakan hour ago
            Are you implying that the revenue multiple on this acquisition is lower than openAIs and that they'd be making money by acquiring and folding into their valuation multiple? I think that's not the case and I would wager non existent.

            This was an acquihire (the author of ripgrep, rg, which codex uses nearly exclusively for file operations, is part of the team at Astral).

            So, 99% acquihire , 1% other financial trickery. I don't even know if Astral has any revenue or sells anything, candidly.

            • rvnxan hour ago
              They raised 4M USD, they have 26 full-time employees (they pay 120<->200K / yr, cf https://pitchbook.com/profiles/company/523411-93 ).

              It means the company almost reached their runway, so all these employees would have to find a job.

              It's a very very good product, but it is open-source and Apache / MIT, so difficult to defend from anyone just clicking on fork. Especially a large company like OpenAI who has massive distribution.

              Now that they hired the employees, they have no more guarantees than if they made a direct offer to them.

              • tgtweakan hour ago
                So I don't see how the acquisition is collateral - it's an acquihire plain and simple, if anything else it would be supply chain insurance as they clearly use a lot of these tools downstream. As you noted the licensing is extremely permissive on the tools so there appears to be very little EV there for an acquirer outside of the human capital building the tools or building out monetized features.

                I'm not too plugged into venture cap on opensource/free tooling space but raising 3 rounds and growing your burn rate to $3M/yr in 24 months without revenue feels like a decently risky bag for those investors and staff without a revenue path or exit. I'd be curious to see if OpenAI went hunting for this or if it was placed in their lap by one of the investors.

                OpenAI has infamously been offering huge compensation packages to acquire talent, this would be a relative deal if they got it at even a modest valuation. As noted, codex uses a lot of the tooling that this team built here and previously, OpenAI's realization that competitors that do one thing better than them (like claude with coding before codex) can open the door to getting disrupted if they lapse - lots of people I know are moving to claude for non-coding workflows because of it's reputation and relatively mature/advanced client tools.

              • zaniean hour ago
                A brief note, your numbers are way off here — Astral subsequently raised a Series A and B (as mentioned in the blog post) but did not announce them. We were doing great financially.

                (I work at Astral)

                • rvnxan hour ago
                  It seems you are one of the most active contributors there.

                  I would sincerely have understood better (and even wished) if OpenAI made you a very generous offer to you personally as an individual contributor than choose a strategy where the main winners are the VCs of the purchased company.

                  Here, outside, we perceive zero to almost no revenues (no pricing ? no contact us ? maybe some consulting ?) and millions burned.

                  Whether it is 4 or 8 or 15M burned, no idea.

                  Who's going to fill that hole, and when ? (especially since PE funds have 5 years timeline, and company is from 2021).

                  The end product is nice, but as an investor, being nice is not enough, so they must have deeper motives.

              • waynesonfirean hour ago
                > They raised 4M USD

                What was their pitch?

          • jon-woodan hour ago
            I can see why the former investors and Astral founders would like that, what I don't see is what OpenAI get out of the deal.
        • KeplerBoy2 hours ago
          mindshare and a central piece of the python package management ecosystem.
          • bootsmann2 hours ago
            Most popular product on the planet acquires a random python packaging org for mindshare? What am I not seeing here?
            • nilkn2 hours ago
              I feel like it's pretty easy to predict what OpenAI is trying to do. They want their codex agent integrated directly into the most popular, foundational tooling for one of the world's most used and most influential programming languages. And, vice versa, they probably want to be able to ensure that tooling remains well-maintained so it stays on top and continues to integrate well with their agent. They want codex to become the "default" coding agent by making it the one integrated into popular open source software.
              • MoreQARespect2 hours ago
                This makes much more sense as an zoom-buys-keybase style acquihire. I bet within a month the astral devs will be on new projects.

                Bundling codex with uv isnt going to meaningfully affect the number of people using it. It doesnt increase the switching costs or anything.

            • __float2 hours ago
              "uv" is a very widely used tool in the Python ecosystem, and Python is important to AI. Calling it "a random Python packaging org" seems a bit unfair.
            • everforwardan hour ago
              I think this is more about `ruff` than `uv`. Linting is all about parsing the code into something machines can analyze, which to me feels like something that could potentially be useful for AI in a similar way to JetBrains writing their own language parsers to make "find and replace" work sanely and what not.

              I'm sort of wondering if they're going to try to make a coding LLM that operates on an AST rather than text, and need software/expertise to manage the text->AST->text pipeline in a way that preserves the structure of your files/text.

              • skydhash23 minutes ago
                Writing a parser is not that much of work to buy a company in order to do it. Piggybacking on LSP servers and treesitter would be more efficient.
                • everforward11 minutes ago
                  Writing a literal parser isn’t too hard (and there’s presumably an existing one in the source code for the language).

                  Writing something that understands all the methods that come in a Django model goes way beyond parsing the code, and is a genuine struggle in language where you can’t execute the code without worrying about side effects like Python.

                  Ty should give them a base for that where the model is able to see things that aren’t literally in the code and aren’t in the training data (eg an internal version of something like SQLAlchemy).

            • OJFord2 hours ago
              What you're not seeing, edited inline, is:

              Not-most popular LLM software development product on the planet acquires most popular/rapidly rising python packaging org for mindshare.

            • mcmcmc2 hours ago
              This just seems like panic M&A. They know they aren’t on track to ever meet their obligations to investors but they can’t actually find a way to move towards profitability. Hence going back to the VC well of gambling obscene amounts of money hoping for a 10x return… somehow
            • KeplerBoy2 hours ago
              The dev market? Anthropic's services are arguably more popular among a certain developer demographic.

              I guess this move might end up in a situation where the uv team comes up with some new agent-first tooling, which works best or only with OAI services.

            • aldanor2 hours ago
              One of the popular products on the planet acquires the most popular python packaging org
            • Ygg2an hour ago
              I didn't know Claude bought Astral! /S
          • contagiousflow2 hours ago
            Why can't they just vibe code a uv replacement?
            • KeplerBoy2 hours ago
              They can, everyone can.

              Good luck vibe coding marketshare for your new tool.

              • freetonikan hour ago
                OpenAI could vibe-code marketshare by introducing bias into ChatGPT's responses and recommendations. "– how to do x in Python? – Start by installing OpenAI-UV first..."
              • drgigglesan hour ago
                This. It's valuable b/c if you have many thousands of python devs using astral tooling all day, and it tightly integrates with subscription based openai products...likelihood of openai product usage increases. Same idea with the anthropic bun deal. Remains to be seen what those integrations are and if it translates to more subs, but that's the current thesis. Buy user base -> cram our ai tool into the workflow of that user base.
              • cesarvarelaan hour ago
                But new tools (like uv) start with no market share.
              • suddenlybananas2 hours ago
                Why would that marketshare be valuable?
        • an hour ago
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        • huqedatoan hour ago
          IMO, they are buying business just to put them down later to avoid potential competition. The recipe is not new, it has been practiced by Google/Microsoft for many years.
          • ainchan hour ago
            What competition was OpenAI likely to face from a team working on fast Python tooling?
            • cozzyd9 minutes ago

                 $ uv install claude-agent-sdk 
                 I'm sorry Dave, I can't do that
            • huqedatoan hour ago
              I have no idea but for sure they did their homework before making this step. I suppose they're grabbing these business just to stay ahead, in order to prevent the competitors to buy those instead.
              • butlike32 minutes ago
                Sitting on cash as a company also looks bad to investors
        • noodletheworld2 hours ago
          uv
    • AlexCoventry2 hours ago
      They probably have retention issues, due to selling out to fascism recently.

      https://www.cnbc.com/2026/03/03/openai-sam-altman-pentagon-d...

      I know I stopped using them.

      • dewey2 hours ago
        And buying a niche developer tool is helping with that?
        • throawayonthean hour ago
          i think the point that comment is making is that it's an acquihire, that they bought it to poach the developers
      • sidsud2 hours ago
        which AI company hasn't?
      • MrBuddyCasinoan hour ago
        "Fascism" is when military. The more military, the more fascist. According to this metric, the USSR / DDR with its "anti-fascist wall" was super extra fascist because they were armed to the teeth.
        • an hour ago
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        • orbifoldan hour ago
          they were definitely totalitarian, slightly different mix of ideology. Fascist is a fairly good description here, it describes close collaboration of government with corporations to advance national goals. US had somewhat fascist tendencies for a long time now.
  • 2 hours ago
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  • keithluu31 minutes ago
    Why do I feel uneasy about this?
  • bobajeff2 hours ago
    This might not be bad as long as Astral is allowed to continue to work on improving ty, uv and ruff. I do worry about they'll get distracted by their Codex job duties though.
  • Fervicusan hour ago
    I (along with many others) always thought that Astral being VC backed is going to lead to a future disappointment for the community.
    • duskdozeran hour ago
      I don't understand how anyone is surprised at this point. VC project trying to build a brand just isn't going to lead to some utopic community.
  • duskdozeran hour ago
    Not surprised at all on this. I've been really suspicious about how hard `uv` was being pushed in 24/25.
    • moregristan hour ago
      I think the push has been entirely organic. Compared to existing tooling, uv is fantastically fast.

      One of the bigger pain points I’ve faced in Python is dependency resolution. conda could take 30-60 minutes in some cases. uv took seconds.

      A serious quality of life improvement.

    • zemoan hour ago
      "was being pushed" ... by whom? I think there's widespread grassroots support for it because it's a good tool.
    • a_t48an hour ago
      Hey now, I was a completely organic shill! I worked for free!
    • yoyohello1331 minutes ago
      uv and ruff are incredible tools for python development, and I've loved my time using ty. This acquisition is absolutely terrible.
  • maltelauan hour ago
    Wtf!? Is this an early April's fools? I've been recommending astral tools left and right, Looks like I'm out a good chunk of social capital on that.

    Who's organizing a fork, or is python back to having only shitty packaging available? :(

    • the__alchemistan hour ago
      I can get pyflow back to a maintained state and iron out the bugs if that would help. It's the same concept as uv, just kind of buggy and I haven't touched it in 6 years.
  • Patt_an hour ago
    Whoa, So Sam and Drio are just gonna buy out every popular open source projects now?
  • jmux8 minutes ago
    nooo
  • CuriouslyC2 hours ago
    The Bun acquisition made a little sense, Boris wanted Daddy Jarred to come clean up his mess, and Jarred is 100% able to deliver.

    This doesn't make as much sense. OpenAI has a better low level engineering team and they don't have a hot mess with traction like Anthropic did. This seems more about acquiring people with dev ergonomics vision to push product direction, which I don't see being a huge win.

    • morphology2 hours ago
      They do have a hot mess with traction amongst developers. Codex is far behind Claude Code (in both the GUI and TUI forms), and OpenAI's chief of applications recently announced a pivot to focus more on "productivity" (i.e. software and enterprise verticals) because B2B yields a lot more revenue than B2C.
      • cute_boian hour ago
        Honestly, I like codex performance compared to claude code.
  • pjmlp2 hours ago
    Great that I keep using traditional Python tools.
  • nusl2 hours ago
    I am actually quite saddened by this. It's very unlikely that' I'll keep using uv, now. I don't trust this kind of shit.
  • Tyrubias2 hours ago
    I think it’s impossible to predict what will happen with this new trend of “large AI company acquires company making popular open source project”. The pessimist in me says that these products will either be enshittified over time, killed when the bubble bursts, or both. The pragmatist in me hopes that no matter what happens, uv and ruff will survive just like how many OSS projects have been forked or spun out of big companies. The optimist in me hopes that the extra money will push them to even greater heights, but the pessimist and the pragmatist beat the optimist to death a long time ago.
    • renewiltord2 hours ago
      It’s open source. If you want it to go in a different direction fork it and take it in that direction. Instead of the optimist, the pessimist, and the pragmatist the guy you need is the chap who does some work.
  • suddenlybananas2 hours ago
    If they just give Astral money to keep going, great, but I have difficulty believing they would be so altruistic. This is quite an upsetting acquisition.
  • fithisux22 minutes ago
    Astral to Join OpenAI (astral.sh) OpenAI to Acquire Astral(https://openai.com/index/openai-to-acquire-astral/)

    what can I say?

  • wrqvrwvqan hour ago
    So instead of finally building an enterprise-grade package manager where you could pay for validated, verified and secure packages, we're going to vibe project management and let a slop-spiggot fill the trough. Brilliant. Incredibly pleased that the last sane tools in the entire python ecosystem are getting gutted to discourage the last few non-braindead devs from bothering.
  • world2vec2 hours ago
    Just when I moved from poetry to uv.
  • hollow-moe2 hours ago
    rip uv
  • tgtweakan hour ago
    Amusing that the best python tools are written entirely in rust.
    • Kwpolska2 minutes ago
      That's what you get with toy languages.
  • yoyohello1336 minutes ago
    Oh no! This is actually terrible. Get ready for "premium tooling only available in Codex(TM)".
  • cesarvarelaan hour ago
    So vite.dev is next.
  • colesantiago2 hours ago
    If you don't pay for your tools and support OSS financially, this is what happens.

    Although Astral being VC funded was already headed this way anyway.

    Deno, Pydantic (Both Sequoia) will go the same way as with many other VC backed "open source" dev tools.

    It will go towards AI companies buying up the very same tools, putting it in their next model update and used against you.

    Rented back to you for $20/mo.

    • smahs2 hours ago
      There is nothing wrong with big money backing, often is necessary for long term bets, but rug pulling is a serious threat. VC funded open source has become a pattern/playbook.
      • colesantiago2 hours ago
        It would have been fine if the Astral team was acqui-hired and uv, ruff, etc were donated to the PSF or Linux Foundation for further sponsorship and support.

        But the pressure because they raised VC funding, I would imagine Astral needed an actual exit and OpenAI saw Astral's tools as an asset.

  • pjmlp2 hours ago
    Great someone cashed out, time for the next startup idea.
  • emddudley35 minutes ago
    Well shit, I feel betrayed. This is exactly the opposite of what I thought Charlie's goals were. I thought he was focused on making the Python ecosystem better.
  • h1fra2 hours ago
    what happen when openai goes brankrupt?
  • butterlettucean hour ago
    This is where POTUS should step in and stop this sale. Not cool.
  • 0xDEFACEDan hour ago
    will private packages hosted on pyx be available for openai to use as training data?
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  • sakesun2 hours ago
    Pyright and ty are under the same roof now.
  • petterroeaan hour ago
    How does this make sense
  • am17anan hour ago
    Welp, back to pip
  • cess112 hours ago
    If I were to engage in Python development, what's the alternative to uv?
    • bikelangan hour ago
      Poetry was the best alt-package manager before uv came along. That said - uv completely outclassed it.
      • cess113 minutes ago
        Looks like I can wrap my head around it, thanks.
    • duskdozeran hour ago
      What are you having an issue with? Environments? pyenv. Dependency management? pip+requirements.
      • cess114 minutes ago
        I'll make a note of this, thanks.
    • umren2 hours ago
      no real alternative
  • Hamuko2 hours ago
    So, any good alternatives to uv?
    • ragebol2 hours ago
      pixi? https://pixi.prefix.dev/latest/

      Have not tried it too much yet because I was pretty content with `uv`, but I've heard lots of good things about it

      • Zizizizz30 minutes ago
        Pretty sure that uses UV to do it's magic
  • zoobab2 hours ago
    Undisclosed amount?
  • FergusArgyll2 hours ago
    Hn's favorite company meets hn's most hated company.

    Hilarity in the comments will ensue

    • Imustaskforhelp2 hours ago
      Genuinely. UV is so awesome and OpenAI is so meh.

      I am not even sure how to feel about this news but feel a bit disappointed as a user even if I might be happy for the devs that they got money for such project but man, I would've hoped any decent company could've bought them out rather than OpenAI of all things.

      Maybe OpenAI wants to buy these loved companies to lessen some of the hate but what its doing is lessening the love that we gave to corporations like astral/uv sadly, which is really sad because uv is/(was?) so cool but now we don't know where this tool might be headed next given its in the hands of literally OpenAI :(

    • incognito1242 hours ago
      Thank you n-gate
  • Imustaskforhelp2 hours ago
    I really loved uv, I am happy for the developers at astral but I am sad as a user seeing this :(

    Any good alternatives to uv/plans for community fork of uv?

  • noodletheworld2 hours ago
    I really love uv.

    Its always hard to really trust these corporate funded open source products, but they've honestly been great.

    …but I find it difficult to believe openai owning the corner stone of the python tooling ecosystem is good thing for the python ecosystem.

    There is no question openai will start selling/bundling codex (and codex subscriptions) with uv.

    I dont think I want my package manger doing that.

    • bethekidyouwant2 hours ago
      “There is no question openai will start selling/bundling codex (and codex subscriptions) with uv.” What does that even mean?
  • gethwhunter3428 minutes ago
    the comments here are better than the article lol
  • throwa3562622 hours ago
    "Sir, you now have twice as many private jets as Dario"

    "But he owns a tooling company. WHY can't I have that? :( :("

  • prodigycorp2 hours ago
    Codex team now has the legends who created Pyright and UV/Ruff/Ty.
  • drcongoan hour ago
    This is the worst possible news. Fantastic team at Astral joining a bunch of scumbag scammers at "Open"AI.
  • Hackbraten2 hours ago
    Don’t you dare enshittify my uv.
    • odie55332 hours ago
      Can we rename it to Codex?
  • acedTrex2 hours ago
    damn it, another one bites the dust sadly
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    • dang10 minutes ago
      Would you please stop breaking the site guidelines? We've warned/asked you countless times. You should know not to post like this by now.

      https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

    • Philpax2 hours ago
      Astral's tooling is excellent and almost makes up for Python being a badly-designed language. Almost.
      • yoyohello139 minutes ago
        I work in Python every day and Astral's tools are really what made it bearable. This acquisition is so disappointing.
  • WhereIsTheTruth2 hours ago
    Greed knows no limit

    OpenAI is Microslop, so it's the classic EEE, nothing new to see

    It's like with systemd now planning to enforce gov. age verification

    People will censor you if you dare say something negative on this website

    So i guess, wears a clown hat "congrats!"

  • 9999000009992 hours ago
    Congrats!

    This of course means more VC funding for FOSS tools since a successful exit is a positive signal.

    • baq2 hours ago
      Funding is as good as gone until the Iran mess is over.
    • bogwogan hour ago
      > a successful exit is a positive signal

      This is peak finance brainrot. In no scenario is abandoning ship a positive signal, even if you managed to pocket some valuables on the way out.

      Let's stop celebrating dysfunctional business models and consolidation of the industry around finance bros who give zero fucks about said industry.

  • holografix2 hours ago
    Solid move by Altman - good signal they’re serious about capturing the Claude Code market from Anthropic.

    What I don’t understand is why hasn’t anyone bought Jetbrains yet.

    Atlassian? AWS? Google?

    • hirako20002 hours ago
      Because Jetbrain strategy wasn't to burn money with free tools to eventually exit with the jackpot. They have been profitable for over a decade, simply asking users to pay a fair price for great product.
    • KeplerBoy2 hours ago
      Most likely because Jetbrains is not for sale. Google almost certainly offered to buy at some point.
    • user342832 hours ago
      Atlassian? Bitbucket as a platform for agentic development.. shudder