105 pointsby speckx3 hours ago17 comments
  • throwawaypath28 minutes ago
    Did I accidentally sleep in a time machine? Front page of HN right now has articles on Juggalos and Afroman.
    • iguana_shine9 minutes ago
      The Millennials are getting nostalgic
      • butlikea minute ago
        It's so funny when a member of the younger generation comments. Younger generations are always trying to kill off the older generations. Both physically and metaphorically, too!

        It makes sense in a way. If you were actually successful in doing that, you could finally make the world in your image instead of having to work around all those pesky "legacy" viewpoints that hold back the True Progress of the Younger Generation. But alas, the older generation still exists, because the younger can't do it.

        But do continue with the passive aggressive comments. While it keeps me spry, you still get paid entry-level wages when you should be kings.

    • oceansky21 minutes ago
      The early 2000s are back baby
  • echelon_musk2 hours ago
    Shamelessly hijacking this story to recommend The Private Eye digital comic [0]. Set in a future where everyone has normalised the wearing of masks in public to preserve their anonymity. The protagonist refuses to get a driving license because he wouldn't want a photo of himself in a database.

    [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Private_Eye

  • mcvan hour ago
    Not surprising at all. It's a form of dazzle camouflage that has previously been shown to confuse facial recognition[0]. It's probably possible to design it to be more effective yet less intrusive than juggalo makeup.

    I would have actually expected it to be more popular by now.

    [0] https://adam.harvey.studio/cvdazzle/

  • soopypoos2 hours ago
    I wonder if I'm more likely to get denied entry wearing juggalo face or classic camo paint
    • QuantumNomad_2 hours ago
      Depends. Are you attending an ICP concert, or a military reenactment convention, or something else entirely?
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  • Larrikinan hour ago
    In 2018 it was already common knowledge that gait analysis was more accurate than facial recognition at the time. This would have been defeatable then.
    • water-data-dude23 minutes ago
      Gait recognition is also easier to defeat. All you need is to put something like a few pebbles or coins in one of your shoes
    • glenstein23 minutes ago
      I think dazzle camouflage is best understood as having limited scope of application as pertains to face recognition. It shouldn't be regarded as failing within its intended scope on account of gait analysis. Everyone knows you have to learn the juggalo dance moves to go along with the face paint.
    • beepbooptheoryan hour ago
      How are everyone's gaits being collected? Is there gait databases at the NSA? Not being skeptical! Honestly very interesting.
      • a2tech27 minutes ago
        We only have discussions of the Chinese rolling out gait tracking widely. Basically you use existing facial databases to match ids to people in observed areas and capture their gait as they pass observed areas. Then it goes into the database. Using partial matching (non ideal observation of gait or face) allows for greater positive matching in non-ideal circumstances.
      • nemomarx28 minutes ago
        You could compare gaits between footage of a crime and footage of you in another public place, probably?

        I don't think I've heard of it being used though.

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  • ChrisMarshallNY2 hours ago
    I guess LiveNation won't be running ICP concerts, then...
    • world2vecan hour ago
      They'll just charge an additional makeup fee...
  • bigfishrunning2 hours ago
    Miracles all around us
    • Forgeties79an hour ago
      You could throw on the SNL skit or the real video and frankly I wouldn’t be able to tell the difference
  • hackitup7an hour ago
    I'll make sure to wear my Juggalo makeup the next time I visit China to avoid their face scanning technology. That'll surely help me blend into the background.
  • gethwhunter3424 minutes ago
    counterpoint: this assumes everyone has the same constraints. not always true
  • refulgentis2 hours ago
    Clickbait, it’s a couple tweets microwaved and the 3rd paragraph is “well, except for modern facial recognition”
    • everdrive2 hours ago
      This feels like the real-life equivalent of that old Family Guy joke where Peter is with a squad of dudes in Vietnam but is dressed like a clown. He says something to the effect of "You guys are stupid. They're going to be looking for army guys." Outside of the absurdity of the situation, the joke is that the guy dressed as a clown obviously stands out even more.

      Juggalo makeup might block some facial recognition tech, but you also paint a huge target on yourself.

    • feran hour ago
      >covering features impacts accuracy of feature-based classifiers

      More new at 9. Plus it's from 2019.

  • schmeichel2 hours ago
    Where my Juggalos at??
    • NickC252 hours ago
      1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, sitting behind the resolute desk. That person wears more makeup than some of the performers on RuPaul's Drag Race.
      • nathan_compton2 hours ago
        Don't sully the good name of Juggalos this way.
  • lucasay2 hours ago
    I’m more curious about how robust this is against modern systems. A lot of newer facial recognition models are trained on occlusions, masks, and heavy makeup — so this might be less effective than people assume.
    • amanaplanacanal2 minutes ago
      I'm wondering how well the Zenni optical ID guard coatings actually work.
    • saalweachteran hour ago
      It's not actually an oversight or training failure; as one of the six societies which secretly rule the world, the Juggalos simply demand to be exempt from facial recognition.
      • atomicnumber3an hour ago
        Juggalos, bronies, 9th doctor fans, billionaires, royals (baseball team), and royals (landed nobility)?
        • saalweachter15 minutes ago
          In _Inside Job_, it was Juggalos, the Illuminati, the Catholic Church, Cognito Inc [the main feature of the show, kind of the Deep State], the Atlanteans, and the Reptoids.
    • stackghostan hour ago
      It's likely that e.g. wifi-based gait analysis can be deployed to defeat this.

      The only saving grace is you can't run that against video surveillance footage.

      • fc417fc80211 minutes ago
        But you can run video-based gait analysis against video surveillance footage. You can also index physical fingerprints other than the face.

        Maybe I should start wearing a hazmat suit with an opaque faceplate whenever I leave the house.

  • pgporada2 hours ago
    Whoop whoop
  • Findecanor2 hours ago
    (2019) ... but sadly increasingly relevant.
  • yacinan hour ago
    maybe it's just from being covered in Faygo?
    • alexjplantan hour ago
      Faygo is unironically delicious. They used to sell them for $1 a pop (Midwestern pun intended) on the East Coast in gas stations. Diet varieties of Orange, Moon Mist, and Root Beer were personal favorites.

      No idea whether this is still the case as I haven't seen them in years.

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