198 pointsby F3nd04 hours ago11 comments
  • nickjj3 hours ago
    Being able to scale an image without losing quality is going to be handy. I always found it odd that scaling down an image now and then scaling it back to its original size 2 seconds later with the same tool resulted in a loss of quality and having to delete the layer, then re-import the image to get the original quality back.

    This plugin https://github.com/LinuxBeaver/Gimp_Layer_Effects_Text_Style... also makes adding text effects with GIMP pretty good. This is unrelated to 3.2 but turned out to be a necessity for me.

    • cmyk_student3 hours ago
      It's because each transform was "destructive" (like filters use to be by default). What link & vector layers do instead is store a transform matrix, so each transform just updates the matrix instead of actually re-rasterizing the layer each time.

      We were hoping to expand that feature to all layer types for 3.2, but we ran out of time to properly test it for release. It'll like be finished for the next minor release.

      • __mharrison__3 hours ago
        It sounds like you are a gimp developer. Curious about the use of AI to work on it. Do the gimp devs use AI to write code?
        • cmyk_student2 hours ago
          I can't speak for all of us, but generally no (in terms of GenAI at least). There are concerns about generated code not being compatible with GPL, and honestly a lot of the drive-by GenAI coded merge requests tend to not work.
        • locusofself3 hours ago
          I see you are getting downvoted but I don't blame you for this question. I've been curious about what developers of established products are doing with LLM assisted coding myself.
          • Alupis3 hours ago
            Like most of us, they're certainly using ai-assisted auto-complete and chat for thinking deep. I highly doubt they're vibe coding, which is how I interpret the parent's question and probably why they are being down voted.
            • __mharrison__35 minutes ago
              I take it you also mean vibe coding to be one shot and go?
    • Aardwolf2 hours ago
      > I always found it odd that scaling down an image now and then scaling it back to its original size 2 seconds later with the same tool resulted in a loss of quality

      Maybe it's because I grew up with Paint Shop Pro 6 and such, but that seems completely normal and expected to me

      • nickjj32 minutes ago
        I was using Photoshop, I don't remember when exactly but it's probably in the 15-20 year range when non-destructive scaling was available. I don't remember not having it. Glad to see GIMP is moving in this direction.
    • vunderba3 hours ago
      Nice - all actions performed on a layer should retain a hidden "raw original" so we get non-destructive transforms.
    • enriquto2 hours ago
      > I always found it odd that scaling down an image now and then scaling it back to its original size 2 seconds later with the same tool resulted in a loss of quality

      I'm honestly baffled at your surprise... say, if you crop an image, and 2 seconds later you enlarge it to its original size; do you expect to get the inital image back? Or a uniform color padding around your crop?

      Scaling is just cropping in the frequency domain. Behaviour should be the same.

  • Retr0id3 hours ago
    Does anyone else find non-destructive editing kinda unintuitive?

    I get the practical benefits of it, but it feels shoehorned in to an interface for doing destructive edits. Chained edits frequently interact in ways that confuse/surprise me.

    I think I'd rather do non-destructive edits via some sort of node-editor interface. (And to be honest most of the things I use GIMP for don't need non-destructive editing in the first place)

    • cmyk_student2 hours ago
      The current non-destructive UI is a bit of a compromise - we can't really mix layers with NDE filters in the layer dock until GTK4 (from what I understand), so the pop-up menu is what we had to work with.

      You can check "Merge filter" at the bottom of the filter dialogue though, and it will automatically merge the filter like in 2.10 (and the setting is remembered going forward)

    • stringfood3 hours ago
      "When I was a kid, when we shrunk a 200x200 image down to 100x100 we lost information forever, and we liked it that way. It was a simple time. A predictable time."
      • Retr0id3 hours ago
        That is generally my intention when downscaling an image.
    • bitwize2 hours ago
      This is one of those things I'd think geeks would geek out about, as nondestructive edits mean the steps to construct an image are stored, not just the final image—kinda like a monad in FP.
      • Retr0id2 hours ago
        nondestructive edits are great, it's the interface that's weird
  • helij2 hours ago
    One of the first things I install on any new computer is Gimp. Thank you to all involved in the Gimp project.
  • tejohnso4 hours ago
    Love GIMP. Always capable of doing anything I need done with raster images or even PDFs. Lately I've been opening PDFs and lightening the pages so that they can be printed without wasting a bunch of toner on backgrounds that are meant to be white but were scanned in as a light grey.
    • tartoran3 hours ago
      I assume you don’t do this manually and you’re doing some kind of scripting, can you describe your process?
  • dvh3 hours ago
    Can I finally Ctrl+s jpeg image? And no, export is not enough because first time it will ask for for path and compression level which it already knows. I just want to Ctrl+s and be done.
    • F3nd03 hours ago
      It seems like you can assign this action to Ctrl + S, yes. See here:

          Edit → Keyboard Shortcuts → file → Overwrite […]
      
      I think this would be awful default behaviour, but I guess it’s nice to have the option if you really want it, and I was pleasantly surprised at how easy it was to find after reading your comment.
      • necovek3 hours ago
        It used to be even simpler, though I am sure it caused all sorts of problems: for any Gtk+ program, if you hovered over a menu and pressed a new key combination, it would reassign the shortcut for that menu to what you just pressed. You still had to turn it on, and it was an amazing feature, but you'd occasionally reassign something you did not want to :)
    • orev3 hours ago
      Almost all programs treat the “Save” operation as something used with the native format, in this case XCF files. These preserve things like layers, etc. JPG and other formats are exports because after you close the file you can’t get all that stuff back when you reopen it.
      • purerandomnessan hour ago
        Why is then opening a JPEG not an Import?

        I get it, and when Photoshop changed this default, GIMP followed with changing this workflow. It used to be different in older versions of Photoshop and Gimp.

        Advanced user usually know exactly what they're doing, and opening a PNG or JPEG file, changing a few pixels, and saving it, should require as few key presses as possible.

        I don't want the UI to get in my way when I open->edit->save.

        • jbrnhan hour ago
          'Opening a JPEG' is creating a new image and importing the JPEG to it. ctrl-e on first use will establish the export setting. It's two clicks if you really want to overwrite the original. I think it would be very easy to accidentally and destructively overwrite the original image file if it was different, when ctrl-e is in muscle memory.
        • hxorran hour ago
          When opening a jpg, it literally says "importing pic.jpg" when opening a jpg
    • pxoe3 hours ago
      File - Overwrite file, that's been there for a while. It can be turned into a hotkey, it's unmapped by default, and I don't think that'd change nor should it change, given how user hostile that'd be, the long history of how it works in editors like that, and with how they lean towards non-destructiveness of it all. Also, that just sounds like perhaps a simpler editor would be a better fit, like Paint.
  • Jabrov4 hours ago
    The lack of GenAI integration is actually refreshing
    • nirv3 hours ago
      Do you suggest using manual brushes instead of content-aware fill, or am I supposed to not want to retouch the images in the way that GenAI makes so quickly and easily? My argument is that applications probably should provide useful tools for solving practical problems, regardless of their implementation details.
      • mikae1an hour ago
        Content-aware fill has been in PS since 2010 I believe, long before the genAI craze.
      • cyberjunkie3 hours ago
        There are other applications with that implemented, with GenAI too.
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    • charcircuit2 hours ago
      Photoshops recent AI rotate tool looks useful compared to these features GIMP is adding.
  • hnlmorg3 hours ago
    I use Gimp pretty sporadically but the latest UI refresh (I’m guessing introduced in 3.0?) completely baffles me.

    It might just be that it’s better tailored for graphic designers, which I’m clearly not. But now I can’t even figure out how to draw a square on screen. Let along anything clever.

    • infotainment24 minutes ago
      Don't worry, GIMP's UI never made any sense to anyone (Graphic Designer or otherwise), save for hardcore GIMP fans.
    • cmyk_student2 hours ago
      Hi! What was the last version of GIMP that you used before 3.0?

      We get an equal amount of "GIMP's UI never changes!" and "You changed too much of the UI in the latest version", so it's difficult sometimes to figure out the specific issues.

    • masfuerte3 hours ago
      Select a rectangle. Stroke or fill the selection.

      I agree it's a bit counter-intuitive, but afaik it's always worked like that.

    • purerandomnessan hour ago
      If you want to draw squares, you're probably looking for a vector drawing program, like Inkscape.
  • kernc2 hours ago
    Let everyone be reminded how joyful GIMP 2.10 menus used to look ...

    https://i.imgur.com/nVyMQBt.png

    • cmyk_student2 hours ago
      If you mean the color icons, you can easily switch back to those in the Welcome Dialog that appears when you first open GIMP (look in the Personalize tab). It's the first thing I do when I install GIMP on a new machine. :)
      • rsaxvcan hour ago
        Thank you for this.

        Also small world, floating point JPEG person here.

        • cmyk_studentan hour ago
          Ah, hey! We've been busy with getting 3.2 finished, but I plan to go back and read over your latest message once we've recovered a bit. :)
      • em-bee2 hours ago
        oh wow, i never realized that this is in such a convenient location. and you can't just change the icon style, but also disable the tool groups which was the most annoying change i found because it makes finding the right tool harder. (i'd love tool groups where the tools are grouped but not folded, or in a way where i can expand certain groups that i use often)
      • kernc2 hours ago
        Did you also manage to enable menu icons?
        • cmyk_studentan hour ago
          That was a feature in GTK2 (the GUI library we use) that was removed in GTK3. We could try to fight the library and reimplement it ourselves, but it'd take a developer dedicated to do it. I miss the menu icons too. :(
  • quicon3 hours ago
    I find Gimp super useful and easy to learn. Using it to edit pdfs generated by NotebookLM is my new way of creating decks and presentations. Thanks for the great work.
    • KellyCriterion3 hours ago
      Ah, PDF editting works?

      Didnt know that! Thanks for telling!

  • peter-m803 hours ago
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    • Findecanor3 hours ago
      Use the ellipse selection tool and hold Shift to make it a circle. Hold Ctrl to pull from origo. Then use Stroke Selection or Fill Selection.

      Although, I miss being able to create a selection from a point on the ellipse/circle instead of just origin or bounding box corner.

      I would also like to stroke on the inside or outside of the selection instead of just its middle. I have often had to first fill the circle and then select again from the same origin point to cut out the inside.

      • necovek2 hours ago
        Instead of trying to get at the same origin point, I usually just keep the selection active and then go to "Selection" menu and choose either "Shrink" or "Expand" options (or similar language: I use a localized version).
    • purerandomnessan hour ago
      If you want to draw circles, you're probably looking for a vector drawing program, like Inkscape.
    • cmyk_student2 hours ago
      There's always the GFig filter, which has existed in GIMP for a long time. :)

      GIMP 3.2 actually adds vector layers, which are the basis for a shape tool (it was my "big project" for this release). We have a GSoC project idea for doing the last bit of work to make a dedicated shape tool: https://developer.gimp.org/core/internship/ideas/#implement-...

    • maxerickson2 hours ago
      You can draw a representation of a circle with extremely primitive tools and it isn't possible to actually draw a circle. Your question as rendered is hard to answer.
  • AbuAssar2 hours ago
    Is it possible to train a model on all gimp features that will eventually let us prompt whatever edits we want and it’ll automate gimp to achieve it?