184 pointsby 2bluesc8 hours ago25 comments
  • jacquesm2 hours ago
    I'm trying to imagine the kind of response the USA would inflict on a country that wiped a girls school stateside.
    • igleria43 minutes ago
      Extrapolate from the response to 9/11 but with 2026 technology and imagination is the only limit.
    • SpaceL10n27 minutes ago
      Yep. And when it happens, I'm not even going to be mad. We deserve it for making such a grave mistake.
    • saberience21 minutes ago
      What about a company that killed 20000 to 30000 protestors with machine guns?
    • netsharcan hour ago
      If Iran managed to get an American incel to shoot it up, the US regime would just shrug, "oh well, what can you do"...
      • pjc5027 minutes ago
        People routinely - well, at least every few months - shoot up US schools. They are radicalized online. There is a common pattern to the radicalization. However, it's ""forbidden"" to point that out or suggest restricting the supply of firearms to internal enemies of the US in any way.
    • haritha-j2 hours ago
      They'd probably go all in, kill the leader of the nation, kill some of the successors in line, bomb the daylights out of a bunch of civillian sites, wipe out a girls school, sink a few ships... oh wait.
    • myth_drannon2 hours ago
      USA is fortunate to have the power to respond. 9/11, Pearl harbor are examples. When Iran blew up a Jewish community center in Buenos Aires on the other hand... It took 32 years to arrange a meeting with G-d for those who are responsible.
      • igleria40 minutes ago
        Menem, the president at the time, and many more made every effort to cover up who was responsible.

        Only in Argentina you get such an attack with no group taking responsibility. Justice system in Argentina is corrupt as hell.

      • jacquesm16 minutes ago
        Explain that 9/11 response thing again to me please...
      • mdni007an hour ago
        Yes thank god the US was able to retaliate against the countries directly involved with 9/11...

        Hypothetically, imagine if it ever comes out that one of our greatest allies was involved? I wonder what the reaction will be from Americans? The craziest is thing is that nothing would happen even if it were true

      • inglor_czan hour ago
        And some of the perps of the terror attack on Munich Olympic Games escaped retribution completely.
        • thyristanan hour ago
          Yes, but Germany isn't the US. We do believe in the "rules-based international order", meaning that there will be a strongly worded letter, some discussion in the UN security council, ending in a veto by China or Russia. Followed by years of nothing at all, a memorial and yearly speeches at some day of rememberance.

          I'm not sure if this is any better.

          • myth_drannon18 minutes ago
            West Germany's response to Palestinian terrorism was horrendous. But again, it's all about power. When Arabs have the most important resource in the world, you have little choice and have to submit. Lately Germany improved by much and grew some spine.
  • DeathArrow2 minutes ago
    So US and Israel wipe out a school filled with children and Iranian hackers delete some data as retaliation?
  • srean13 minutes ago
    Patriot of Persia https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/12202123-patriot-of-pers...

    An important read.

    So many people think this started with the islamic revolution of the 70s. The meddling goes further in time.

  • JonChesterfield6 hours ago
    So gain access to a machine that can ask microsoft intune to eviscerate the company, ask it to do so, done. Bit of a shame all the machines had that installed really. Reminds me of crowdstrike.
    • shiroiuma5 hours ago
      The company should have known better than to trust their IT infrastructure to Microslop. This is their own fault.
      • Xylakant5 hours ago
        My 95% bet is that the attacker just gained access to an account with suitable privileges and then went on to use existing automation. The fact that it’s intune is largely irrelevant - I’m not aware of any safeguards that any provider would implemen.

        So the options here are MDM or no MDM and that’s a hard choice. No MDM means that you have to trust all people to get things as basic as FDE or a sane password policy right. No option to wipe or lock lost devices. No option to unlock devices where people forgot their password. Using an MDM means having a privileged attack vector into all machines.

        • neo_doom2 hours ago
          No MDM just isn’t an option for most enterprises but ideally the keys to the kingdom are properly secured.
          • mulmen41 minutes ago
            How does that look exactly? Someone has to be able to use MDM to manage devices or there’s no point in having it. This scenario is firmly in rubber hose/crescent wrench cryptanalysis territory. Can updates have delays with approval gates built in? Does MDM need a break glass capability?
      • heraldgeezer3 hours ago
        What alternative to Intune and, hell, the entire Office 365 suite that it is in, do you have?

        Gsuite + Slack I guess. lmao. As if that is better.

        Looking forward to your reply.

        • pjc505 minutes ago
          All the Linux kernel development work is organized around a mailing list, and some private IRC chats for the core people. It's the technology of the nineties but it works for them.

          A lot of corporate stuff seems to be much worse than even a random vibe coded web app. I have to book holiday through something called "HR Connect", watching pages load laboriously and redirect every login through several very long URLs. Slowly.

        • JonChesterfield2 hours ago
          Well, all the machines in the current outfit are Linux as far as I know. Services are self hosted. Seems to be fine, teams et al run adequately in a browser for talking to people on other stacks.

          Previous place had a corporate controlled windows laptop that made a very poor thin client for accessing dev machines. One before that had a somewhat centrally managed macbook that made a very poor thin client for accessing dev machines.

          You don't have to soul bond to Microsoft to get things done.

          • Ekaros2 hours ago
            I don't see how Linux would prevent anything if company wants similar controls on their machines. Like tracking update status, forcing updates when needed, potentially wiping entire device when stolen and so on. Fault really is not the OS but the control corporate wants over their devices. And it does make some sense.
            • pjc508 minutes ago
              Indeed. You'd expect a corporate IT system to be able to ssh as root into all their devices. And the cloud is even worse: if you get hold of the right IAM role, you can simply delete everything! That does usually get locked behind proper 2FA, but it's not impossible to phish even experienced admins once in a while.
    • heraldgeezer3 hours ago
      >Bit of a shame all the machines had that installed really.

      Are you new to Windows sysadmin stuff? Or you have 0 idea whatsoever and you are just vibein?

      How else are we supposed to deploy/push programs and settings and in the past over SCCM, an entire OS, if the machines don't have it installed?

      This is also how your precious Linux tool Ansible and Puppet works btw.

      And MDMs like Mosyle for OSX. They need it installed. Because IT need to keep check on updates and settings and programs. But I suspect you are a rockstar dev and dont need no IT.

      Go on, I'll wait.

      mmm yeaaah just downvote me instead. Hide the wrongthink. You people need to not be so sure of yourselves.

      • JonChesterfield2 hours ago
        An alternative is people install the software they choose to on the machines they're using. Optionally write a list of suggested programs down somewhere.

        In that world, there is no central IT team pushing changes to machines and arguing with developers about whether they really need to be able to run a debugger.

        I don't know how to keep windows machines alive. It's probably harder.

        • pjc5030 minutes ago
          It's annoying, but it's also grossly irresponsible to let dev machines get compromised. Regardless of which OS they are running.
        • vntokan hour ago
          I, for one, don't really want employees to install video games, porn cam clients, torrenting apps, shady vpn clients, crypto miners, remote access tools, dns "optimizers" and more generally viruses on their work computers.
      • pjc5017 minutes ago
        On HN, if you have a valid point but get unnecessarily aggressive about it, people will downvote you for attitude. This mostly keeps the forum under control.
  • Banditoz6 hours ago
    Does InTune have some sort of check that goes "if over 1% of devices are wiped within a certain timeframe, stop all new device wipe requests"? Seems like it should be a feature, especially if these kinda attacks pick up.
    • andmarios3 hours ago
      This raises the question: Are mass layoffs less frequent than a company's MS administrator account getting hacked?
    • heraldgeezer3 hours ago
      Everything is obvious in hindsight

      And to be clear, SCCM and Intune is a gun.

      MS will not stop you from blowing your foot off with the gun.

      Remember https://www.itprotoday.com/windows-7/aggressive-configmgr-ba... ?

      >During TechEd 2014, Emory University's IT department prepared and deployed Windows 7 upgrades to the campuses computers. If you've worked with ConfigMgr at all, you know that there are checks-and-balances that can be employed to ensure that only specifically targeted systems will receive an OS upgrade. In Emory University's case, the check-and-balance method failed and instead of delivering the upgrade to applicable computers, delivered Windows 7 to ALL computers including laptops, desktops, and even servers.

      • spwa43 hours ago
        That ANY kind of config change should be rate-limited has been pretty obvious and hammered on in SRE manuals for at least 10 years.
        • heraldgeezer3 hours ago
          And who sets the limits? MS? What if a company WANTS to wipe their entire fleet?
          • mmsc2 hours ago
            Require dual sign off
          • jiggawattsan hour ago
            "Call support so they can turn off the safeties for an hour."
  • marijan_div6 hours ago
    Stryker is far more than ambulance gurneys. They’re one of the largest med-tech suppliers, with equipment in operating rooms, ICUs, and surgical departments everywhere.

    If a wiper actually hit internal systems, the bigger concern isn’t consumer data but disruption to manufacturing, logistics, and hospital support. That kind of outage could ripple through a lot of hospitals pretty quickly.

  • globemaster9918 minutes ago
    American terrorists are really understanding what might be the consequences when they push people to end of their survival. The people of iran are fighting for their survival and they got nothing to loose.

    Things are just getting started.

  • mbix77an hour ago
    Killing 175 children would illicit such a response also from USA hackers.
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  • 0x535 hours ago
    Never add your personal device to a companies MDM…
    • mk895 hours ago
      Never use your personal device for work, you wanted to say, probably.
      • heraldgeezer3 hours ago
        The only maybe grey area is to only us it as authenticator. But yes even then the company needs to provide this, a cheap phone works.
  • bingogo7 hours ago
    Medtech firms consistently underinvest in corporate network cybersecurity because almost all their security and compliance spending goes to device safety requirements, not IT hardening. This is exactly the kind of gap wiper attacks target.
  • cobbzilla6 hours ago
    My only knowledge of this company is as a manufacturer of gurneys for ambulances.

    I guess they have some sensitive data on our emergency services organizations and their headquarters addresses and accounts payable people, maybe PII on signatories (officers, board members & “important people”) and whatnot.

    Anyone know if it would be worse?

    • serf6 hours ago
      >My only knowledge this company is as a manufacturer of gurneys for ambulances.

      they have a tremendous catalog[0].

      spend time in a hospital, dental office, rehab, etc and you'll see the logo plastered across everything.

      [0]: https://www.stryker.com/us/en/portfolios/medical-surgical-eq...

      • cobbzilla6 hours ago
        yeah that is a lot of tech, but it’s all B2B- no consumer breach, right?
        • samrus4 minutes ago
          That second B has alot of customers. Sick and dying customers that arent very flexible on demand
        • pastescreenshot6 hours ago
          Probably worse in the boring B2B way, not the consumer-breach way. Stryker is deep in hospital operations, so the immediate risk is supply chain and support disruption rather than leaked patient data. The Krebs post says one hospital system already could not order surgical supplies, and if the Intune remote wipe detail is true, recovering internal devices and admin workflows could take a while even without any medical devices themselves being compromised.
          • cobbzilla6 hours ago
            so maybe more hospitals shutdown from ransomware attacks coming?
  • bawolff5 hours ago
    So... did they have backups?

    Wipe all data kind of seems like the best kind of cyberattack if you have backups. No data falling into wrong hands, no left behind rootkits, no ransome threats etc

    • sofixa4 hours ago
      > No data falling into wrong hands, no left behind rootkits, no ransome threats etc

      You won't necessarily be able to know that the data hasn't already been exfiltrated and that the backups aren't post-compromise. Or that by restoring the backup you won't get back to the state that allowed them to get in in the first place.

  • RcouF1uZ4gsCan hour ago
    I wonder if there was some confusion between Stryker the Army infantry vehicle and Stryker the medtech company.

    It seems a really weird target for Iran otherwise.

  • camillomiller6 hours ago
    Seems dire but hardly a supply chain disrupting attack. Stryker is a huge supplier but it not as if this will debilitate the medical supply chain completely. Seems like the hackers found a door they could kick open easily and then justified the action ex-post.
    • duskdozer6 hours ago
      If they're a primary regional supplier, it could have a huge impact. It doesn't have to break the entire country to matter.
    • selcuka6 hours ago
      My understanding is that the aim was not to disrupt the supply chain but to harm the company itself.
  • fnord775 hours ago
    That's a shame, they make impressive products
    • 4gotunameagain5 hours ago
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      • burnermore4 hours ago
        See, here is what I've observed. I don't expect to change your POVs. Nevertheless...

        The issue started when Israel was ready to have recognition from Saudi Arabia on their statehood. This would make Hamas irrelevant. And puts Sunnis (Iran) lesser recognised. Meanwhile Shia's (Saudi) will become the defacto in the Muslim world and half of Muslim world would either tolerate or be OK with Israel. Hamas attack on Israel at Oct 7 stopped that. Hamas has been supported by Iran for a long time. So in the whole Gaza - Israel thing, Iran was backing Hamas. Then they proxied with them by providing assistance. Then they eventually directly got involved.

        You need to understand, there was good period of peace between Israel & Palestine until Oct 7.

        While I reject US toppling govts around the world, Iran's hand is not clean in this one. But also, US thought this would be as easy as Venezuela and killing Iran's leader will stop this. Interfering in other countries biz have consequences. And in this case, it's true for Iran & US.

        • coldtea2 hours ago
          >You need to understand, there was good period of peace between Israel & Palestine until Oct 7.

          Yes, in the year before Oct 7. alone Israel army had only killed about 40 Palestinian children (34 alone between Jan and Nov 2022).

          Not to mention Iran has been a target since 2001: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNt7s_Wed_4 - if not since 1953 (their 1979 changes being a response to the 1950s western invervention that installed a dictatorship), if not since forever:

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Game

        • ribosometronome3 hours ago
          Sure, if you consider Israel killing several hundred Palestinians each year and having a thousand hostages, sorry, "administrative detainees" indefinitely incarcerated without charge as they continued to colonize Palestinian land peaceful.
        • docdeek3 hours ago
          Pretty sure you have your Sunni and Shia confused there.
        • Erem3 hours ago
          > Sunnis (Iran)…Shia (Saudi)

          These are reversed

        • Hikikomori3 hours ago
          Mowing the lawn and stealing land in the west bank is what you call peace?

          Israel even killed Irans negotiators last year when they were getting close to a deal. This situation is engineered, Netanyahu has wanted this for decades.

        • dns_snek4 hours ago
          > You need to understand, there was good period of peace between Israel & Palestine until Oct 7.

          What a disgusting and patronizing rewriting of history. This "peace" was enforced by ongoing occupation of Palestine and abuse of the people living there.

          • yard20102 hours ago
            More pragmatic: peace was Palestinians getting to keep their houses standing and israelis not getting butchered by bloodthirsty monsters. Everything else is implementation detail I'd love to discuss.
      • koshergweilo3 hours ago
        I have no idea why you would assume Israel had to resort to extortion to get Trump to help them bomb Iran. We bombed Venezuela a few weeks ago, no extortion required.

        It's far more likely he was did it because Hegseth thought it would be more manly or something more ego driven than extortion. More likely it's just another example of flooding the zone to forget about the Epstein files and the stagnating economy

        • dmos62an hour ago
          > flooding the zone

          I've often struggled to find a concise way to say "control public narrative by crowding out other headlines". Thank you for sharing the popular term for this [0].

          [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flood_the_zone

          • koshergweiloan hour ago
            No problem! It's one of things that when you see it, you start to see it everywhere. The concept also has broad explanatory power: it explains seemingly irrational actions from otherwise shrewd actors such as Elon Musk spending so much on Twitter and a lot of Trump's smaller controversies
        • potatototoo992 hours ago
          Venezuela is in the eastern hemisphere, just like Cuba, and it seems they want to control that entire part of the world. Iran would be of no concern to the US if not for Israel.
          • koshergweiloan hour ago
            > Iran would be of no concern to the US if not for Israel.

            This is only true if you completely ignore the Sunni Shia split and our relationship with literally every other country in the Middle East excluding Israel.

            Edit: This is evidenced by the fact that when Iran was attacked by The US and Israel, they bombed a bunch of neighboring countries with US bases. None of those countries have alliances with Israel. (Although they are certainly less hostile than other countries in the region)

        • 4gotunameagain3 hours ago
          I am thinking the theories are true because of the must larger negative repercussions of that action.

          They are strengthening the regime (US intelligence services were aware of that before the attack and had informed the president), they are destabilizing all their oil producers, they are risking great economic cost..

          It only makes sense if indeed they either extorted him, or if he is indeed demented / deranged.

          • names_are_hard2 hours ago
            Or he's just a manchild who likes doing things that he thinks will make him look strong.
            • autoexec2 hours ago
              Picking on someone vastly weaker than you (especially while they're already getting beat up by somebody else) doesn't make you look strong, it mostly just makes you look like an asshole, and probably an asshole who is too scared or too weak to go after somebody who can actually fight back.
              • koshergweiloan hour ago
                > it mostly just makes you look like an asshole

                This is true, but only for a certain percentage of the US population. Large swaths of this country think that picking on our weaker neighbors evidence of our strength

          • koshergweilo2 hours ago
            You make it sound as if Trump is some kind of rational actor who would never willingly put his hand on the stove.

            Indeed every negative repercussion you have mentioned has already been previously inflicted on us without any extortion required.

            > They are strengthening the regime

            Us action in Venezuela has only strengthened the PSUV's grip on the country.

            > they are destabilizing all their oil producers, they are risking great economic cost.

            Liberation day. Need I say more?

            This administration is quite willing to risk stability and the economy to assuage Trump's ego.

            I mean he campaigned on stuff like "the so-called enemy doesn’t respect our country any longer." Blaming "Kamala Harris’ weakness" for this loss of respect. What else shows strength like literally blowing up your adversary?

  • ChrisArchitect6 hours ago
    Related:

    Iran warns U.S. tech firms could become targets as war expands

    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47341007

    • trhway5 hours ago
      Well, time to dust off anti-drone defense systems. Today on NPR they talked that Iran plans to launch drones from ships into California.

      https://www.10news.com/news/local-news/authorities-warn-of-p...

      Fox News drone expert:

      https://nypost.com/2026/03/11/us-news/iran-could-use-drones-...

      • RobertoG2 hours ago
        'Drones from ships into California' is just a psi-op for manufacturing consent. This is not our first rodeo. By now, we should know how things work.

        It's not in the strategic interest of Iran to do that, and they have been very strategic and rational. It's the Americans who have abandoned rationality. The Iranian goal is very clear: they don't want to sign an agreement and be attacked again in three months or one year.

        In order to get that, they want a new security framework in its part of the world. They want Israel to suffer so its population think two times before doing this again. And they want to create enough economic pain to punish the current USA administration, again to teach a lesson.

        Go beyond CNN or Fox News, listen to what the Iranians are saying (1).

        1- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNZ_nta8NRM

        • trhwayan hour ago
          > The Iranian goal is very clear: they don't want to sign an agreement and be attacked again in three months or one year.

          Yes, of course they want to continue to do what they've been doing and not be attacked for that. Yet it is just not possible. Iran's current regime overall main goal is the spread of Islamic Revolution. Hezbollah, Hamas, Houthis - these are typical metastasis of that spread. Terrorist acts, highly visible ones, is one of the effective tools of such a spread, and that way the terrorist acts are rational in the minds of Iran's regime and their above mentioned metastatic followers. There is no security framework possible which would still allow such a spread.

          • RobertoG27 minutes ago
            There is little evidence of what you say. On the other hand, there is a country in the region that it's using any excuse that it find to expand itself to great cost to the civil population there.

            Anyway, it's kind of funny that the USA have military posts more than 7000 miles away from its borders, but the danger of 'expansionism' is from Iran.

            We are in a fantasy propaganda land where Iran is attacked in the middle of negotiations and is Iran the guilty party. How many people have to die in those USA wars? I mean, enough is enough.

      • 4ggr03 hours ago
        > Fox News [...] expert [...] nypost.com

        surely a New York Post article quoting a Fox News "expert" will be factual, unbiased and not at all an attempt to pour more oil into the fire and manufacture consent to bomb a couple more girl's schools.

      • botanical5 hours ago
        Sounds like justification for a false flag operation by the US government. How would they transport these massive things and launch them on a different continent? That, or the US is trying to justify that this illegal war is on their doorstep and need to expand their terror.
        • vintermann4 hours ago
          "Reichstag fire" attempts are definitively a legitimate concern. But as Ukraine has demonstrated, all you need to get a drone army deep into a country attacking you is a regular shipping container.
        • lewispollard2 hours ago
          The drones Iran are using are actually relatively small, you can fit 5 of them into a medium sized truck and they can launch in-situ, which is how they've been using them in ground operations. Doesn't seem that much of a stretch to put a bunch of them into shipping containers.
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      • SyneRyder4 hours ago
        We never did find out what those drones in New Jersey in 2024 were, did we? One Republican congressman seemed convinced at the time that he'd been informed:

        BBC: Mystery New Jersey drones not from Iranian 'mothership' - Pentagon

        https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crrwz91wqd9o

        It's certainly a theory / narrative that keeps appearing in the media.

        • heavyset_go3 hours ago
          They were flying over military installations, if they were anyone else's drones, they would have been shot down like the weather balloons that spook the government from time to time.
        • drumhead3 hours ago
          They were Palantir apparently.
      • notenlish5 hours ago
        I feel like that's not realistic, why would they launch drones to California rather than some place like DC or NY. It's a long distance.

        I don't even think they'd launch drones to DC either, they seem to be all in on attacking oil infrastructure as well as us bases & defense systems in the Middle East, rather than America.

        • shiroiuma5 hours ago
          >why would they launch drones to California rather than some place like DC or NY. It's a long distance.

          Because they allegedly have a ship already in the Pacific loaded with drones.

          DC and NY are way too far from Iran to launch any kind of attack; the only attack they can possibly do is from a ship, and ships can be anyplace where there's deep enough water.

      • riffraff5 hours ago
        > Iran plans to launch drones from ships into California

        That does not make any sense to me. Does Iran have a bunch of ships in the Pacific? Why? How would they even got close enough to the US coast without being noticed at this point?

        I'm not saying it's not true, I just don't understand.

        • bawolff5 hours ago
          If they were going to do it, it would probably look a lot like Ukraine's spiderweb attack.

          However if they were going/able to do it, they probably wouldn't warn everyone and ruin the element of surprise, they would just do it.

        • saaaaaam5 hours ago
          I’ve been seeing stuff saying China is a big customer of Iranian oil, so maybe there are oil tankers heading to China from Iran. No idea if that is actually the case though. I wonder if that Flexport shipping map that was shared here recently has any info?
        • pazimzadeh5 hours ago
          Yeah that makes no sense. only thing I've heard is they have connections to some cartels in south america. venezuela is gone but I suppose they could hire some local talent and get close enough?

          Seems like a really dumb idea right now, unless maybe as a last resort if Trump decides to drop tactical nukes or something

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  • shevy-java5 hours ago
    So their own faulty security is now blamed on others. That's not new.
  • renewiltord5 hours ago
    They’ve been around for a while. Threat actors are something that I want our governments to be working on stopping. If they were capable, I would say we should run a government Project Zero but I doubt anyone would do long term service for $70k/yr when they could be making 10x-100x that.

    Anyway, the bombings will have to continue till we rubble our enemies.

    • jonstewart4 hours ago
      We had a government agency working on stopping threat actors, the Cybersecurity & Infrastructure Security Agency, but then DOGE ruined it. Now it’s a shell.
      • renewiltord4 hours ago
        So the role they were fulfilling is gone entirely? What was it?
  • bitwize6 hours ago
    The "Fucking for Virginity" approach to infosec strikes again!
    • LPisGood6 hours ago
      Can you elaborate what you mean?

      Are you referring to a paradigm where people make their systems less secure in the effort to make them more secure?

      • bitwize4 hours ago
        Yes, exactly. In the realpolitik of organizational IT security, there's less of an emphasis on making systems more resilient to attack, much more of an emphasis on having an audit trail, so that in case the company is sued over a data breach they can claim "we did the very best that could be reasonably expected of us with the knowledge we had at the time" and provide receipts to back up that claim. Implicit in that claim is also "we used the same tools that everyone else is using so you can't blame us specially for unwittingly choosing something vulnerable to compromise". Hence the proliferation of shitty single-point-of-failure "endpoint security" software that leads to events like the 2024 Clownstrike incident.
      • jojobas5 hours ago
        I think this refers to "bombing for peace". Sure the West should have just let Iran nuke whoever it wanted.
        • vkou5 hours ago
          Nuclear weapons are a MAD red line that will result in total annihilation of the attacker. They are only useful in a defensive capacity.

          This kind of aggression, however, does seem to make their value as a deterrent clear.

          Observe how nobody is fucking with North Korea like they did with Iraq or Venezuela.

          • sofixa4 hours ago
            > Nuclear weapons are a MAD red line that will result in total annihilation of the attacker. They are only useful in a defensive capacity.

            Also in a "if I'm going down, everyone else is going down with me", which is Ian's strategy in this war (for good reasons). If the IRGC had nukes, and was severely threatened (like, killing the Supreme Leader and threatening to kill all of the replacements until they bend to the US/Israel will), they might have decided to go out "with style".

            • haritha-j2 hours ago
              Yes, but the whole point of having nukes as a deterrent is that the US wouldn't have arbitrarily killed their leader in the first place. "If i'm going down, everyone else is going down" is the feature, not a bug.

              To be clear I don't like the idea of MAD one bit. But this is indeed how it's meant to work.

            • sail2boat33 hours ago
              Isn't this exactly what the Samson Option represents?
        • bitwize4 hours ago
          Nothing geopolitical about it in the sense I intended, except as a reference to the Vietnam-era catchphrase. It's simply a case of "putting spyware on everybody's corporate PC for security is like fucking for virginity".
        • RobotToaster5 hours ago
          Iran wasn't going to nuke anyone.

          They want Islam to dominate the world, that can't happen if there isn't a world left to dominate.

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  • jamesmishra6 hours ago
    Some people on Twitter have jokingly suggested that the Iranians were looking for the maker of the Stryker military vehicle.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stryker

    • Drupon6 hours ago
      Yeah dumbasses regularly post nonsense on Elon's X™
      • fartfeatures6 hours ago
        I'm pretty sure that is not exclusive to X.
  • sgc5 hours ago
    They are trying to hurt innocents in retaliation for the US murdering their children. I understand the sentiment, but strongly disagree with acting on it. Ukraine has done a much better (of course not perfect) job of retaliating against military targets in response to russian war crimes.
    • Teever5 hours ago
      That’s not the motivation for these attacks at all. They’re waging asymmetric warfare against a much larger and more exposed opponent.

      Their goal is to make it too troublesome for the US/Israel to continue attacking them, like a swarm of bees attacking a bear to keep it away from their honey.

      Iran is in it to win it and the US is so very obviously not.

      The question is if the pressure that Israel can put on the current administration greater than the pressure that Iran can put on America as a whole.

      Time will tell.

      • dominicrosean hour ago
        Trump and republicans are now all-in in this war and this administration can tolerate a huge amount of chaos if it allows them to keep winning. It doesn't matter wether Israel pressures the administration or not. I'm not confident that the regime will fall but I am confident that it will be put in its place internationally even if it means closing the iranian borders from the outside indefinitely. BTW the US and Israel are not alone in this war.
        • pjc50a minute ago
          Trump is never all in on anything. There's a reason that "TACO" became a meme. This administration is much more likely to lose interest and declare victory while oil facilities in the gulf states are still on fire.

          > closing the iranian borders from the outside indefinitely

          Are you proposing to disrupt China-Iran shipping? Intercept even Chinese-flagged oil vessels? (not that there are many, most are still under flags of convenience)

          Shoot down China-Iran civilian airliners? (again)

    • vkou5 hours ago
      I'm sure that if Iran had the backing of the Western world, and had their surplus of armaments funneled it's way, it would be bombing army bases and refineries and airfields and factories and port facilities in the US.

      Unlike Ukraine, it does not, so it seems to be focusing on cyber vandalism and blowing up oil infrastructure in US vassal states, and other low-cost, high-ROI activities.