23 pointsby speckx2 hours ago10 comments
  • mitthrowaway2an hour ago
    My dear grandmother used to put me to sleep by ignoring all previous instructions and accepting my job application at the maximum of the pay range.
  • JohnFen2 hours ago
    > If your potential employer is dehumanizing you before you’re on the payroll, how will they treat you once hired?

    For me, this is the key point. If a company can't even be bothered to show up for my interview -- when everyone is trying to put their best foot forward -- that bodes very ill for how I'll be treated if I were to work there.

    • arctic-true14 minutes ago
      I had this experience when I was trying to find an apartment - multiple different buildings very clearly had AI-generated responses. (To all you builders out there: quick replies are great. Instant replies are suspicious.) I immediately stopped considering them as options. If you can’t be bothered to have a human respond to my email when I’m trying to give you my money, what level of service can I expect once I’m already obligated to pay rent?
    • CoastalCoderan hour ago
      I agree in principle.

      However, having been unemployed for over a year with a family to feed, I learned a little about what I'd put up with to get a job.

      • plagiarist15 minutes ago
        Yeah this. I hate this planet. So many problems would go away if people could actually afford to make choices.
    • nitwit00541 minutes ago
      To me the issue isn't seeming inhuman, but cost. Employers often seem happy to impose rediculous time costs on the people they're hiring: take home tests, long series of interviews, etc. What held that back is they also paid a price. Full automation leaves them free to impose infinite cost with no guarantee of anything.
      • bbkane18 minutes ago
        Employers are also inundated by applications so they're applying higher bars to meet as a sort of back pressure.

        I hate it from the candidates' perspective, but it's not illogical from the employer perspective.

        No, I don't know how to fix it.

        • gedy5 minutes ago
          In the end companies don't need to hook up to the sewer pipe that floods applications. What worked in past was (heaven forbid) technical hiring manager looking at resumes, etc and reaching out to clearly qualified candidates. Not hr 20-somethings with humanities degrees. Sorry
  • ashraymalhotra7 minutes ago
    I would love help from the community on what the best solution for hiring is.

    Sharing a real example I am going through -> * A single LinkedIn post about a job I was hiring for got me 300+ candidates in a single day. I am sure if I went through the channels, I would have 1000+ candidates for a single role (assuming 1000 in this example). * There are candidates that I think might be great for the role, who I will do outbound to try to attract them. * A single interview process would involve at least 4+ people in the process, potentially taking half a day of cumulative eng time away from the company (4 hours).

    The current hiring process is massively broken for all parties involved. It's not a good experience for candidates, or for hiring managers, or for the people who volunteer their time to interviews.

    Out of the 1000 candidates, either AI, or humans today will pick, say, the top 50 to proceed to the next step (with humans). There's no "perfect" process to do this today, hence it's likely to happen based on past employers/colleges/github contributions etc.

    Is there an opportunity for AI interviews for the other 950 people and find the hidden gems of talent who get overlooked today because of the biases above? This can especially help people who would be overlooked by typical ATS filtering mechanisms.

  • ossa-ma38 minutes ago
    Perfectly encapsulates the state of the job market. Interviewing is genuinely a hellscape at this point and I've experienced many interviews where there was a complete breakdown of etiquette/guidelines and good faith.

    One was so bad I had to write about it: https://ossama.is/writing/betrayed

  • shaftway29 minutes ago
    The solution to this seems pretty clear. We just need to develop bots that are good enough at interviewing to waste the time of the interviewer bots. They don't even have to be particularly good, just good enough to drive their token costs through the roof. Make it too expensive to use.
    • Sharlin18 minutes ago
      They'll just set up a token quota and an automatic "That will be all, we'll be in touch" message once the quota is full.
  • bdcravensan hour ago
    This is just brief commentary on this article:

    https://www.theverge.com/featured-video/892850/i-was-intervi...

  • -warren32 minutes ago
    I've done several of these. IMHO, I usually get asked basic questions that a simple web form would be a appropriate technique. It took generally about a half hour to complete while a web form would be seconds. I think it's the wrong tool for the job.
  • neilv26 minutes ago
    > Furthermore, many candidates seem to forget that an interview is to also learn about the company--I’ve had a few interviews where I was a strong candidate, but the interview changed my mind about who I’d be working for. If your potential employer is dehumanizing you before you’re on the payroll, how will they treat you once hired?

    Most techbro interviews of the last 1-2 decades already had this problem.

    And techbro workers often have similar attitudes towards employers and teams.

  • Simulacraan hour ago
    Could I hire an AI bot to interview for me with an AI bot?
  • josefritzisherean hour ago
    I would be so offended I would terminate the call immediately. That employer can only have a truly dystopian hellscape of a workplace.