61 pointsby 1vuio0pswjnm74 hours ago17 comments
  • cmiles83 hours ago
    Companies are getting desperate to show AI adoption as right now the numbers just don’t add up.

    Not surprisingly companies are willing to get into bed with more and more questionable use cases if it helps show some desperately needed AI adoption revenue.

    • aurareturn2 hours ago

        Companies are getting desperate to show AI adoption as right now the numbers just don’t add up.
      
      All compute companies say they don't have enough compute to meet demands. Why do you think there isn't enough AI adoption to justify the investment?
      • cmiles82 hours ago
        “Demand” is mostly their training of models, which they’ve yet to demonstrate is a profitable business.

        Just because you’re struggling to get raw materials for your business doesn’t make it a good business. Without strong enterprise adoption ASAP (which is what’s seriously suffering) things are going to hit the fan real quick.

        • lancebeet2 hours ago
          This will sound snarky, so forgive me, but I honestly don't know the answer. Is this actually true? Is there a reliable source containing statistics on LLM compute usage that includes training vs inference for the whole market?
          • concats2 hours ago
            The revenue numbers are public for the major AI companies. That's probably the best estimate for "inference for the whole market" we have, since most of that inference is billed in either API usage or subscriptions, and it won't include any in-house usage such as training.
        • aurareturnan hour ago
          Do you have source?
      • duskdozer2 hours ago
        "enough compute" will be when there is no more hardware for use outside of their walled garden, at which point they can control what they want
    • JKCalhounan hour ago
      "Not surprisingly companies are willing to get into bed with more and more questionable use cases…"

      But not all companies as we have seen over the last week or so.

      Irregardless, all companies doing so will have to balance the ethics of their choices against the public perception of their company as all of us are free to make choices that align with our own personal ethics.

      (In short, they don't get to hide behind "everyone else is doing it".)

    • Tklaaaalo2 hours ago
      Google has enough money, still has positive revenue and still invests in AI + Deepmind.

      Google doesn't need to do anything to make any other numbers work.

      Gemini 3.1 pro is really good; Meta just signed a deal with Google for their TPUs.

      Nano Banana 2 Pro is alsy very good.

      OpenAI numbers might not add up, Antrophic might burn through cash, but not google.

      And it doesn't matter anyway because as long as google can afford it, Microsoft HAS TO do this too and Microsoft also can afford it. The same with Amazon.

      Microsoft invests in OpenAI and Amazon invests in Antrophic.

      • cermicellian hour ago
        Amazon now has just as much invested in OpenAI, as much as Microsoft most likely.

        Given Anthropic is also funded by them, either they are desperate to not lose or they really don't think Anthropic has a moat.

      • cmiles8an hour ago
        Worth remembering that Amazon is now taking out loans to help pay for it all. That says a lot.
    • nxobject3 hours ago
      And, in a post-ZIRP era, guess where all of the easy money for growth is coming from? Yup, deficit-funded defense spending.
    • dotancohen2 hours ago
      The pentagon is a questionable use case?
      • pjc50an hour ago
        The most questionable of all! You just know it's going to be used for increasingly inappropriate "generate me a list of targets in Iran" stuff.
      • cmiles82 hours ago
        I’m OK with it, but the fact that this is news highlights that many others don’t like it
  • SecureVillage273 hours ago
    Sounds sketchy as hell but the article suggests its for unclassified work, like "drafting meeting notes, creating action items, and breaking large projects into step-by-step plans".

    I think I'd be more annoyed if my government weren't using tools to make BS work more efficient.

    • duskdozer2 hours ago
      It does those things poorly.
  • free6523 hours ago
    >The DOD’s workforce of more than 3 million people will now be able to use a no-code or low-code tool called Agent Designer to create their own digital assistants for repetitive administrative tasks.
    • coffeefirst2 hours ago
      Oh this is dumb.

      So the problem is filling out forms is too onerous, but rather than fix the process, create a device that fills the form with slop and then another device that approves or rejects the slop form.

      I could have sworn I signed up for the other future-the one without quite this much stupid.

      • JKCalhounan hour ago
        Had the film "Brazil" been written today, AI no doubt would be a significant plot-element.
  • max_2 hours ago
    Hey chat GPT, could you bomb all enemies of the USA.

    No mistakes,

    Thanks.

  • zthrowaway3 hours ago
    This should surprise no one. A CIA-backed VC was one of the first investors of Google. Big tech will always serve the powers that be. Employees that think their letters of appeal will do anything live in a fantasy land. That’s not how the real world works.
    • dotancohen2 hours ago
      What is wrong with a company serving the country in which it operates?
      • Tistron2 hours ago
        Surely that depends heavily on the country.
  • haritha-j2 hours ago
    Hegseth: "Hang on, that last bomb was dropped on a girl's school, not a missile launch site!".

    Gemini: "You're absolutely right! That's my bad. Here's the actual missile launch target."

    • _ink_2 hours ago
      Gemini: "You're absolutely right! That's my bad. Do you want me to create a press statement deflecting blame to other nations?"
  • 1vuio0pswjnm73 hours ago
    "“We’re starting with unclassified because that’s where most of the users are, and then we’ll get to classified and top secret,” Michael said in an interview, adding that talks with Google over using the agents on the classified cloud are underway."
  • PetriCasserole2 hours ago
    War Games II anyone?
  • glimshe3 hours ago
    Silicon Valley started with the military... And the military won't ever go away.
    • spwa42 hours ago
      Can you name even a single large company that wasn't created by the state? And yes, maybe created means "picked up a tiny company and made it big", I'm treating that as the same (ie. Amazon)

      Also the whole internet started as a military project. The big reason, especially when it comes to Silicon Valley's tech is that people just don't want it until they can see what it does.

      • glimshe24 minutes ago
        Well... We're kind of saying the same thing, I just said it from another perspective. I meant to say that the military created it, so the military will stay around to reap the dividends.
      • 2 hours ago
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  • CrzyLngPwd2 hours ago
    War is a racket. It always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small "inside" group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes - Smedley D. Butler

    ...is as true now as ever.

    • mattmaroon2 hours ago
      Health care didn’t exist in his day. War’s the second most profitable now.
  • brettkromkamp4 hours ago
    So it begins.
  • Noaidi3 hours ago
    If (IF!) the U.S. government is a corrupt authoritarian regime does it matter what services Google was providing?

    When is the point we see that boycotting these companies that are helping kill, lets say 100 little girls with a tomahawk missiles, is the very least we can do?

  • reedf13 hours ago
    Pete Hegseth: Hey Google, what are the best bits of Iran to bomb to maximize civilian damage?
    • blitzar2 hours ago
      You are absolutely right. Here is a list of schools.
      • aurareturn2 hours ago
        Wasn't Claude already used with Palantir to choose Iran bombing targets?
        • blitzar2 hours ago
          I don't know exactly how I would feel if the software I created selected a school to bomb and then suggested bombing the rescue parties trying to find / save any unexploded children 40 minutes later (double tap strategy to kill rescue parties and/or medics).

          It wouldn't be good though.

          • duskdozer2 hours ago
            Fortunately for the government, there's no lack of "I'm just here for the tech, keep politics out of this" developers
          • kace912 hours ago
            That 'let claude wing it, then send for review' approach that your lazy coworker uses is now how the largest military in the world operates. No big drama.
  • elil173 hours ago
    "Don't be evil"
    • dotancohen2 hours ago
      What is evil about working with the government of the country in which they were founded and operate?
      • Tklaaaalo2 hours ago
        Just beause doesn't mean you support war.

        Do you support the current Iran war and the way its handled?

        Opposition and critisism (normally done by the independent press and the party not in power) is there to align. With trump you have 'deals' of rich people doing other rich people favours. They do not care about human lives

    • richsouth2 hours ago
      I think that went into the Google Graveyard years ago
    • sbarre3 hours ago
      Sorry that's on page 5 of the search results, so it doesn't exist.
  • conartist64 hours ago
    Google to help staff the Pentagon with sycophantic incompetent sociopaths! Hooray!

    Will I be the only one concerned that amplifying bullshit might run contrary to the mission of the national defense

    • rvz4 hours ago
      At this point, the employees at Google who signed that open letter might as well call it quits and leave. Google already has military contracts the Pentagon previously, so this is not surprising at all.

      To them, this is just another Tuesday.

    • postsantum2 hours ago
      > sycophantic incompetent sociopaths

      It's possible to use just one word for it but I don't want to get banned

  • cermicellian hour ago
    Let's all boycott Google folks, I want all of HN to band together and in solidarity just not use Google for anything...

    Let's see if anyone here has the guts to even switch away from GCP, scratch that can folks even move away from Apple(Apple pays for Gemini too) and Android?

    I do think OpenAI deserves the boycott but people talking about Anthropic as they were taking some kind of ethical stand when it was just ego tripping for everyone involved is insane.