60 Minutes Havana Syndrome report finds U.S. government tested energy weapon(www.cbsnews.com)

32 pointsby jonas213 hours ago3 comments

jimrandomh2 hours ago
For the benefit of people who read only the headline and not the article:
The story here is that the US government captured Russia's energy weapon, which Russia has been using against US personnel for a decade, and tested it to determine what it does (it causes brain damage). This story does _not_ claim that the US has developed a weapon like this themselves.
- joshribakoff2 hours ago
  It does claim the US went to great lengths to dismiss the victims for a decade, while being in possession of the device. That raises the question of what incentives the US would have to deny its existence. To me, that was the story.
  - DoesntMatter22an hour ago
    It doesn’t say they had it in their possession for the last decade. It says they tested it for about a year. Not clear when they would have gotten it.
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tencentshill3 hours ago
The schizophrenics are getting more reasonable by the day. They ARE listening through your phone. There might actually be a government vehicle following you without identification with intent to abduct (ICE), and now they might actually be tormenting you with invisible energy beams.
- heavyset_go2 hours ago
  A common hallucination and delusion is that someone is beaming thoughts into the afflicted's head, causing some to believe that there are "voice to skull" devices deployed to torment them.
  Well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_auditory_effect
- marysminefnuf3 hours ago
  I used to laugh at qanon lol but they were proven right. pedophiles run our government.
  - scarecrowboban hour ago
    I spent a lot of time (as a former lit PhD student with an interest in narrative and identity) paying attention to the Q-related (and adjacent) stories.
    On one hand, once folks are freed from orthodox thought, they might point out some very useful and interesting ideas about the world.
    On the other hand, (assuming I just haven't figure out how to observe astral-projecting bodies, lumerians, the long-term benefits of consuming adrenochrome and gross manipulation of the electoral system) there are some significant differences between what the actual claims made by the Q-folk and what the actual documentation brings out.
    Importantly, the Q folks have been horrifically wrong about a number of things as well. It wasn't hard to sort out the (usually fairly pedestrian) truths, and people were doing that work even when Q was in its heyday. Remember that the reality (as I understand it) that wealthy men do abusive things doesn't need a secret satanic cabal to explain it.
    To claim the q folks were right is roughly (in my understanding) equivalent to claiming that the batshit crazy experiments done under programs like Midnight Climax actually led to "mind control" in the fine grained way that the folks paying for those programs speculated to be possible- that shit was dumb and anyone who has some moderate experience with psychedelics and any amount of maturity should be able to clock that without repeating the "experiments".
  - DoesntMatter22an hour ago
    Is there any actual evidence for this?
    ekjhgkejhgkan hour ago
    Have you read any of Epstein files, or any reporting about them?
    Serious question - you need to give us where you currently are if you want a productive conversation.
rozab28 minutes ago
I've read reports about Havana Syndrome before and remain thoroughly unconvinced. The locations vary wildly, the symptoms vary wildly and can be explained by normal medical phenomena in a way Occam would find more agreeable.
Look at their 'smoking gun' evidence here:
>He tracked down an email, what he considers a receipt, for services provided to the Russian government by a member of Unit 29155 for "potential capabilities of non-lethal acoustic weapons."
Acoustic crowd control weapons are not mysterious, there are people on YouTube building and testing them! American companies will sell them to any oppressive government around the world (I believe the ones used against Serbian protestors were American). Yet this description contradicts speculation about microwaves just a bit further down in the article.