19 pointsby MilnerRoute5 hours ago6 comments
  • xyzzy12336 minutes ago
    I think even if the US gov could nationalise an AI company, it would be quickly driven into the ground. I believe a lot of people had implicitly assumed that the NSA would have some kind of giant bunker somewhere, where a measurable fraction of GDP was secretly being siphoned off to bootstrap a national security superintelligence... but I'm not sure USG has state capacity for things like that anymore.

    The government would do things like mandate weird procurement requirements, forcing them to spend 2 years on contract negotiation for chips or power. Hardware that was obsolete by the time it was procured.

    The problem is that if they nationalised or "commandeered output", some bureacrat would suddenly become responsible for everything wrong with the system and would have to CYA. They would introduce so much administrative and legal complexity that progress would grind to a halt.

    Also like say they nationalize, then what? Presumably they're doing this to "make" something happen that wouldn't have happened otherwise? But how do you force basically the highest leverage people in the world right now to work for you? They would quit, and work for a different company. Or leave the country.

    So... what happens to the equity? The government is supposed to compensate shareholders. Would OpenAI still be able to hire with equity incentives? Would their staff be on government payscales?

  • an hour ago
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  • conartist64 hours ago
    I have a really cool idea! In this system nobody owns any property, and to keep everyone happy the government tells you how to live your life.

    Does anyone happen to know what would a system like that be called?

    • GuinansEyebrows4 hours ago
      i suspect you're being cute by avoiding the c-word, but that's not what that means.
      • conartist63 hours ago
        This week I'm being informed that property ownership is over, so you'll surely forgive my cynicism.

        If AI can be used to launder any IP into the public domain by passing it through a legalized-government-theivery corp, what's the point in working to create anything?

  • oompydoompy743 hours ago
    Hey y’all I’m starting to think this dude might not be a good guy! What a surprise.
  • Centigonal3 hours ago
    dude just wants his company to be in the news, so he tweets stuff like this
  • 7777777phil3 hours ago
    Nationalization assumes AGI creates a monopoly worth seizing. But if multiple labs converge simultaneously and price it toward marginal cost, there's nothing to nationalize. The question is whether governments coordinate before commoditization makes the whole debate moot. History suggests they don't: https://philippdubach.com/posts/is-ai-really-eating-the-worl...
    • dang3 hours ago
      Would you please stop spamming HN with links to your site in comments?

      I know that spamming is a strong word, but what you've been doing isn't just excessive, it's abusive: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que....

      Normally we'd just put the site into a spam filter, but in this case I'd rather assume that you want to use HN as intended and are not just treating this place as a vehicle for promotion, which is against the rules (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html).

      • 7777777philan hour ago
        Appreciate you flagging this directly rather than just filtering.

        Spamming is the exact opposite of my intentions. After Tom told me I shouldn't post links to my site anymore because long-time users complained about it making the front page three times in a month, I really cut back on posting and tried to only comment on topics where I felt I had something of value to add. If you look at my profile, plenty of my comments have no links at all or link to other sources, and based on feedback like today (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47265869), I thought I'd found the right balance.

        I'll adjust. Thanks for giving me the chance to.